The HRH v McCabe dynamic

[CarlMcBlade]

I hope I merely misunderstood, but after reading the Prince's interview the other day I got a slight pang of anxiety about his big ideas of a worldwide scouting network. But I am quite concerned the Prince's big rush for "Globalization" would put at risk Chris Wilders unique team work ethic.
The main reason Chris and his team have got so many admirers within the game is that he is seen by many as the "great white hope" of British football managers and one that also promotes and develops young British players. Both of which have been largely overlooked in the modern game.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

PS. I so hope Kevin McCabe can hold on to the tiller for a little bit longer.

 

[Weasel]

Nothing wrong with increasing our knowledge of what's out there by putting a better scouting network in place. All good for me and can bring the club real positives and help us move onto the next level which is where we all want to be - CW included.

As long as CW always has the say on who we bring in and from where, then I don't see any negatives to having more knowledge of what's out there. Good idea and great times for us could be just around the corner. Let's hope so anyway.

 

[Rusty view]

I watched the Sheffield Live interview with one of the prince's associates and read the interview with the Prince hinself. One of them said "there's a big decision to make" (apologies can't remember which)

This big decision could be JET and whether we break from the transfer policy which has got us here. Scouting lower division players and bringing them on can only work so much.

To push for promotion (sounds mad saying that word) we might need something a bit extra. Equally should we get to that league then we'd deffo need to move away from the current policy.

What came across was how close everyone is at the club and I suppose the worry is moving to far away from this.

 

[McGrath]

Any foreign player wishing to sign for us needs to fulfil the following criteria.. .

1. Do they like a pint
2. Do the enjoy a curry

 

[Weasel]

Any foreign player wishing to sign for us needs to fulfil the following criteria.. .

1. Do they like a pint
2. Do the enjoy a curry

Are both of these on the 14 point internal checklist that CW mentioned he and the rest of the Utd incoming transfer team (Shieber, Knill and Paul Mitchell) use?

 

[Weasel]

I suppose the worry is moving to far away from this.

I agree. The team spirit is one of the main reasons why we have achieved - note I said one of the main reasons, thry still need to be coached by a superb coaching team and be able to play a bit themselves.

Going forward, and players brought in from further afield need to compliment the current plating staff, not supersede it overnight. Get the right future targets right with the right attitude, and they will also buy into the club. It's imperative though that once we do break the foreign player policy that we bring in a few only and remain a British team at core. A core of young a British players is what's needed.

 

[McGrath]

Are both of these on the 14 point internal checklist that CW mentioned he and the rest of the Utd incoming transfer team (Shieber, Knill and Paul Mitchell) use?

I heard they were the first two on that checklist. Apparently the scouts are focussing on Italy as that is the home of Peroni

 

[BladeInIreland]

I don't think wilders transfer policy has any lean towards British players other than he can call on people he trusts for character references. Any new scouting system would have to involve his own people, who know everything he looks for. If this was the case it wouldn't upset the good thing we have going.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I watched the Sheffield Live interview with one of the prince's associates and read the interview with the Prince hinself. One of them said "there's a big decision to make" (apologies can't remember which)

This big decision could be JET and whether we break from the transfer policy which has got us here. Scouting lower division players and bringing them on can only work so much.

To push for promotion (sounds mad saying that word) we might need something a bit extra. Equally should we get to that league then we'd deffo need to move away from the current policy.

What came across was how close everyone is at the club and I suppose the worry is moving to far away from this.

Not sure I understand what you are referring to here with "JET"? Jay Emmanuel Thomas maybe? Sorry, I really genuinely don't know what you're referring to? I've not seen anything linking us with him so maybe I missed that?

In terms of your question about the transfer policy - I think the answer depends on what you mean by "breaking from the transfer policy"? If you mean, will we spend considerably more on players, both in terms of transfer fees and wages, the answer is without doubt "yes". We have to. Simple as that. Just in terms of wages alone, players will expect to paid at Premiership levels, otherwise why the hell would they want to play for us?

If you mean will we start mortgaging the future of the club on multi-million pound player transfers then the answer, hopefully, is no. If you mean, will we abandon the principle of signing players based not just on ability but also on attitude, the answer is also no.

So, it will be the same recruitment strategy. We'll need to spread the net wider (geographically), we'll need to be prepared to pay more, both in terms of transfer fees and wages, but we will still not be one of those clubs that spend way beyond our means or recruit prima donnas. And I think that's the right thing to do.

 

[Rusty view]

Not sure I understand what you are referring to here with "JET"? Jay Emmanuel Thomas maybe? Sorry, I really genuinely don't know what you're referring to? I've not seen anything linking us with him so maybe I missed that?

In terms of your question about the transfer policy - I think the answer depends on what you mean by "breaking from the transfer policy"? If you mean, will we spend considerably more on players, both in terms of transfer fees and wages, the answer is without doubt "yes". We have to. Simple as that. Just in terms of wages alone, players will expect to paid at Premiership levels, otherwise why the hell would they want to play for us?

If you mean will we start mortgaging the future of the club on multi-million pound player transfers then the answer, hopefully, is no. If you mean, will we abandon the principle of signing players based not just on ability but also on attitude, the answer is also no.

So, it will be the same recruitment strategy. We'll need to spread the net wider (geographically), we'll need to be prepared to pay more, both in terms of transfer fees and wages, but we will still not be one of those clubs that spend way beyond our means or recruit prima donnas. And I think that's the right thing to do.

Apologies. Auto correct. Meant to say Jtw. There's talk of European scouts. Since Wilder came in we've recruited British based players. And players who Wilder knows. There also seems to be an elememt of getting players in who will "get the club". Players who will easily fit in.

If we have to cast the net out to Europe this may be harder for European targets to fit in.

I wasn't considering the cost of recruitment, but you make a valid point. As we've seem in S6 cost of players and wages can cause it's own problems.

 

[CornwallBlade]

I agree that as we push on the squad will need bolstering- apart from anything, the intensity of how we play under CW will take its toll over a long season. I have absolute faith that he will keep to his philosophy and only recruit those who will play our way. I’d love to think that promotion will bring about something of a revolution in coaching and playing styles. Nothing xenophobic but we are playing a way that is uniquely British. Intense pressure, high tempo, getting the ball into danger areas as fast as possible - defences used to having time to settle into their formations can’t cope. This has nothing to do with long ball lump it stuff, this team is as comfortable on the ball as anyone, it’s just a very different approach to the way continental managers play. For years we’ve watched England teams trying to emulate Italian, Spanish etc styles - quite simply, we’re shite at it hence the perennial failures in major competitions. I should make the point that Sheffield United entertaining like we are doing is more important to me than anything Engerland do

 

[BushBlade]

As I've said in another post why does it matter if a player is from Ramsgate or Rotterdam? If he's the right type of character and can hold his own with the language, he'll get what we're about pretty quickly.

 

[Yewsman]

May be things are changing in the football market? England have now won the Toulon tournament, the under 21 and under 17 World Cups and the FA seem to be concentrating some resources on young home produced talent. I think that there are good English players about but the argument is that they are "more expensive" than foreign players. However if the number of English (or perhaps I should say British) players increases then the price should come down ( normal rule of supply and demand). Indeed if England are to produce a decent international team in the future the country needs to go down this route. I would not like SUFC to have a team full of foreign players and whilst I don't mind a mix I would like to think we could be successful with a primarily British team. I am not sure but I think PL teams already have to have so many English players in their squad? May be this number should be increased? I think that the Burnley team is largely British players so a mainly British policy can work. Who knows?

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

wilder bases a lot of his transfer policy on character references from his contracts in the game.

I'm not sure how he will judge a foreign based players character.

 

[Blade58]

International scouting network or not, nothing will interfere with CW's transfer policy. If an overseas player is identified, then it will be CW/AK who make the decision to that player signing or not and not HRH or KM. CW knows that and the board know that

The day there's interference in the manager's decision making is the day CW walks away

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I have asked this before, and not found an answer: does anyone know what happens to the signing of European players after Brexit? If they are simply classified as foreign, which is the logic of so-called hard Brexit, then the criteria for recruiting European players become much tougher. Is this the logic behind some clubs stock-piling young British players?

 

[CornwallBlade]

I have asked this before, and not found an answer: does anyone know what happens to the signing of European players after Brexit? If they are simply classified as foreign, which is the logic of so-called hard Brexit, then the criteria for recruiting European players become much tougher. Is this the logic behind some clubs stock-piling young British players?

Good question Hodgy. I imagine that the same rules will apply as for non-eu players. They will all have to get visa’s and work permits. So, no restrictions per se but a lot more paperwork?
All this assuming we do actually leave......

 

[Chicken with no head]

I think Chris and the team should be looking at the players already in and around premiership/ championship teams , who are not necessarily getting in the 1st team. For example Slimani,who plays for Leicester, looked a decent player to me when we played them. Now if he ticks all the boxes ,attitude desire ,skill ,cost etc,we should put a bid in.This isn’t a rumour by the way it’s my opinion. I’m sure there’s a few more knocking about the premiership / championship

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Good question Hodgy. I imagine that the same rules will apply as for non-eu players. They will all have to get visa’s and work permits. So, no restrictions per se but a lot more paperwork?
All this assuming we do actually leave......

But aren't the criteria for eligibility different? I thought any EU player can play anywhere in Europe, but those from outside have to have international appearances to their name? Or have I made that up?

 

[Maidenhead]

I don't think that there is an HRH v McCabe dynamic.

It seems to me that the leadership at the top is as United as it is in the cleaners room.

 

[alcoblade]

I hope I merely misunderstood, but after reading the Prince's interview the other day I got a slight pang of anxiety about his big ideas of a worldwide scouting network. But I am quite concerned the Prince's big rush for "Globalization" would put at risk Chris Wilders unique team work ethic.
The main reason Chris and his team have got so many admirers within the game is that he is seen by many as the "great white hope" of British football managers and one that also promotes and develops young British players. Both of which have been largely overlooked in the modern game.

I don’t think it’s wise for Wilder to get pigeon holed in any way. Despite the widespread man love for him (me included), it’s the winning we all love most. All the other stuff is secondary. We should do whatever it takes to move forward.

The “great white hope” image is wonderful, but keeping winning is better

 

[itsinyerblood]

Coach Chris isn't the type of man to allow himself to be caught between a rock and a hard place...there'll be no dilemmas all the while Coach Chris is our manager. Who would dare to tell Coach Chris how to manage? Whatever happens it'll be with Coach Chris' consent.

 

[RammyBlade]

May be things are changing in the football market? England have now won the Toulon tournament, the under 21 and under 17 World Cups and the FA seem to be concentrating some resources on young home produced talent. I think that there are good English players about but the argument is that they are "more expensive" than foreign players. However if the number of English (or perhaps I should say British) players increases then the price should come down ( normal rule of supply and demand). Indeed if England are to produce a decent international team in the future the country needs to go down this route. I would not like SUFC to have a team full of foreign players and whilst I don't mind a mix I would like to think we could be successful with a primarily British team. I am not sure but I think PL teams already have to have so many English players in their squad? May be this number should be increased? I think that the Burnley team is largely British players so a mainly British policy can work. Who knows?

I think you raise a good point here as how many of the lads who helped England win all those tournaments will get into their respective premier league sides ?Could be some good pickings to strengthen without necessarily breaking the bank - look at Blackman and CCV who have bothe slotted into the side brilliantly. Dont know if we could buy them at the end of the season but its possible. That Foden kid looks immense but even Pep Guardiola raves about him so maybe a loan till the end of the season ?

 

[bladesmanluke]

As I've said in another post why does it matter if a player is from Ramsgate or Rotterdam? If he's the right type of character and can hold his own with the language, he'll get what we're about pretty quickly.

Agreed. I’ve got a mate from Rotterdam I met in Philadelphia. He’s my mate because he’s a character. It won’t matter one jot if we brought some classy foreign players in as long as they’re the right sort of person

 

[Boxer Blade]

As I've said in another post why does it matter if a player is from Ramsgate or Rotterdam? If he's the right type of character and can hold his own with the language, he'll get what we're about pretty quickly.

Liverpool or Rome?

 

[Boxer Blade]

Nobody is going to rock the boat, can you imagine telling Wilder how is is going to go about his job in the future? No, move on.

 

[BushBlade]

Liverpool or Rome?

Coz when the Blades play anywhere
We play like we're at home.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

In the interview with Shields HRH. Say's
I think we have a dilemma coming soon.The club has the DNA of Sheffield United; a good spirit and you feel proud when you watch the team play. It represents, for me,Sheffield as a city but sooner or later there will be a challenge . can we keep it as an English club ?
We need to introduce international scouting for player's . It is a must in the premier league and a good thing in the Championship. English players are expensive. You can choose from a bigger pool and the club can make money.

Sound's a lot like the Wendy and most of the other teams we are beating plan...

 

[Grizzly blade]

There are a couple of points in favour and against foreign players for United IMHO.

The recent interviews have eluded to the main one, that you can often get cheaper players with the needed ability from the continent. That’s not to say you can’t get the ability required, but that if you want British it’s both harder to find and more expensive as a result.
However, one of Wilders biggest strengths is building that attitude and togetherness. This is done with both actions and words and each player bouncing off each other. And the problem is that no matter how good their English is, some of that communication will be lost in translation, and less effective.

So if we want to add the foreign scouting network and it work, it will be harder to maintain the success with that method if we don’t plan very well and look in the right places. As others have said, this may well be much harder taking away Wilders contacts, as he has few contacts away from these shores. But we need to invest big in the right structure first so that we can benefit within the next 2 years....all being well.
Years back we had links with certain clubs....we need to work to a similar strategy, but select the clubs with a similar philosophy to ours. Clubs who are efficient with their money but maintain success with a policy of developing talent and selling for a profit.

Exciting times. Mitchell best get the language CD’s for Xmas!