The "foul"

[William Henry Foulkes]

Your're just making yourself look a bit daft

Oh No I'm'm not

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

It occurs to me haven't had a poll about this.

 

[Sean Thornton]

It occurs to me haven't had a poll about this.

Really? I thought you seemed pretty excited at one point!

 

[Damski]

I've said for some time now that the first step should be off-field video evidence, i.e. after the match. Start in the PL and come down hard on cheating that isn't picked up by the ref. Once players know they won't get away with simulation, fouls behind the refs back, etc. they'll think twice about it. It's got so bad that's the only way to get it under control. On field video breaks would either be so limited as to make no difference or they would make games 3 hours long.

This is about right. I'd say have a video ref that is in direct contact with the referee on the field. He can say "Actually no, that was a corner" in his ear and the ref can choose to ignore it or change his decision. Would not restrict the flow of the game at all.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

If that had been a United player bursting thru' and a Manchester player had caught him like that,
what would you think if the referee hadn't given us a penalty?

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

Come on WHF. Studs up, slid in, squarely on the shin, there was contact as I have advanced frame by frame (oh yes, I'm that sad!) and Hammond's foot bends back as it pushes into Men Fist Her Pie's shin!

Yes he absolutely made the most of it, but what do you expect?

Slo-mo and freeze frame actually makes it look worse than it was...watching it in real time its nothing more than a glancing tap.
Nor is his foot bending back due to the force or impact of it..as some have said, he was already half pulling out of the challenge as he slid in which the wet slippery ground didnt help his cause not forgetting, in trying to pull his leg out of any forceful challenge it would be in a more relaxed state which you can tell by his ankle being floppy and his foot waves a bit just literally before the tap.

I like dissecting these things in more miniscule details!
The slo-mo and freeze frame photo are misleading though...its like a boxer doing an uppercut on his opponent and he just about moves his head/chin out the way to receive the full whack but it still glances off but with no harm done..but then if you did a slo mo of that action and freeze framed it at the right point it would look like the uppercut will have caught flush on.

 

[WhiteHawk]

If that had been a United player bursting thru' and a Manchester player had caught him like that,
what would you think if the referee hadn't given us a penalty?

If one of our players dived like that I'd be ashamed.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Really? I thought you seemed pretty excited at one point!

I find studs and tackle stimulating. So what.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Your're just making yourself look a bit daft with this argument. Studs up tackles are by definition reckless. You get away with it if you miss the oponent by a country mile. FIFA/the FA have been trying to stamp out this type of tackle and all players should have got this into their heads by now. Studs up = reckless. Argue it till the world explodes if you want, it won't change it.

FIFA says

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.
• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned

So by this definition it wasn't reckless I reckon.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

If one of our players dived like that I'd be ashamed.

Okay. Thanks for that.
What about the question?

 

[boo radley]

I think the ref would not have given us the Penalty but would have booked our player.

 

[mosbolad]

Brilliant. Another chance to post my screenshot.

Penalty!

WHF!!!! Eurika!!! I've got it! Schrodingers cat! Its both a penalty and not a penalty at exactly the same moment!

Schrödinger's cat
noun
Physics
noun: Schrödingers cat
a cat imagined as being enclosed in a box with a radioactive source and a poison that will be released when the source (unpredictably) emits radiation, the cat being considered (according to quantum mechanics) to be simultaneously both dead and alive until the box is opened and the cat observed.

 

[vorpal blade]

Well done, Archimedes

 

[mosbolad]

Well done, Archimedes

Screw you!

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

The Scunthorpe penalty that wasnt given..what was going through the refs mind? Couldnt be any more blatant..the Scunny player didnt do any theatricals after he'd been tripped, he went down completely naturally because his conscience was clear and all he was thinking about was getting into the box and getting into a shooting position.. Depay however, his conscience was not clear, he was looking for any opportunity to take a dive.

 

[vorpal blade]

I'm enjoying the way that you are coming over all religious about this Jonny - the Scunthorpe player "went down completely naturally because his conscience was clear"...... that's the morality of the ducking stool with its inherent, fatal flaw - she can't be a witch because she's just drowned in the pond.

Still, in the fake civil war that is football, the goodies lost and the baddies won; they nearly always do.

Will our reward for supporting a bunch of losers be in heaven do you think?........ is it easier for Rooney to fit through the eye of a needle than for a footballer earning £160K/week to reach the kingdom of God - is that why Wayne offers a prayer every time he scores, just in case?

 

[vorpal blade]

btw jokes about water pumps and what an ancient Greek ejaculated when he jumped out of the bath are avoiding the point of the thread, they are merely displacement activity are they not?

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

Pah!..If i were to end up meeting Rooney in heaven one day Vorpal i'd make sure my grannies are locked in safe first!!

I just wanna see the game played properly without all the melodramatic crap going on, fans are being robbed enough with the prices, let alone with what goes on on the pitch.

I get glares off my own players in 5 aside league games if i chuck the ball for a corner to the opponents because its nicked off my glove fingertip and the ref hasnt spotted it and given it as a gk throw out!

My philosophy is, if youre at least half honest in games and assist the referee with decisions like that if he's missed it then youre more likely to get the 50/50 decisions go your way especially if the other team upsets him by constant verbals.

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

btw jokes about water pumps and what an ancient Greek ejaculated when he jumped out of the bath are avoiding the point of the thread, they are merely displacement activity are they not?

*strokes chin thoughtfully* well, it depends on who was in the bath with the greek..then the water displacement would be even messier i guess!
But to link it in with the thread..Depay came all over like a wet blanket so theres your ejaculatory water displacement right there!