The fat lad from sheffield

[JohnDenver]

Change the record old boy. Your personal attacks on a fellow board member do you no credit. Have the boil lanced, stop the sore festering, you will feel so much better.

But tell me you're not interested in the back story.

 

[alcoblade]

Change the record old boy. Your personal attacks on a fellow board member do you no credit. Have the boil lanced, stop the sore festering, you will feel so much better.

I'm actually a big fan of Pinchy, but I think he's the king of the attack on fellow board members. I doubt he lost any sleep last night.

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[Rollerball]

did not the war of words between nick and pinchy remind anyone else of the two characters, in scetches by neuman and baddeil of the two elderly, upper class gentlemen arguing with phrases like "you know those big sloppy cow pats you find in fields?" i have seen suce a phenomenon, yes" "thats you that is"
almost priceless and to think people like this defend or prosecute in courts of law around the country, holding some poor persons life in their mentality, id be terrified as a defendant having read some of the inane, childish drivel spouted in this thread.
gotta love discussion forums.

Anyway back to the OP, i would take billy back if possible simply because i believe in his previous spells he has been played in a way not suited to his style, adkins has, several times had him, played him as he thinks suits him and reaped on the whole quite a decent return, if he can hit 15 or 20 goals at this level would anyone turn him down, honestly?
think where we might have been if we had had a striker that scored 15 or more last season?

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[bertieblade]

If he was not an ex blade he would not get a mention, he has done nothing at any of his recent clubs and has been unable to command a regular start.
When at bdtbl before he was constantly offside as he had to play right on the shoulder of the last defender due to being so dammed slow. His pace has not improved and although he had the knowledge of previously being in the right place at the right time other teams have not recently benefitted from this "attribute" as he has not been deemed good enough to play on a consistent basis.
Please we can do so much better than a player who has failed us twice.

 

[sitwell]

Referring to Morgans footballing abilities ,I would love a centre half like him now. I hate ball playing skilful centre halves ,I want a big fucker who will kick the opposition and clear the ball out of our half. Let the rest of the team play the football and the centre backs protect our goal. Might be old fashioned but that's a great centre half for me. Dave Watson(Sunderland, Man City one) is the best centre back Ive ever seen ,unplayable at both ends of the field and hard as fuck ,no striker liked playing against him.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Referring to Morgans footballing abilities ,I would love a centre half like him now. I hate ball playing skilful centre halves ,I want a big fucker who will kick the opposition and clear the ball out of our half. Let the rest of the team play the football and the centre backs protect our goal. Might be old fashioned but that's a great centre half for me. Dave Watson(Sunderland, Man City one) is the best centre back Ive ever seen ,unplayable at both ends of the field and hard as fuck ,no striker liked playing against him.

Agree , but also being to play football , IMO , we need that hardness at the back and midfield . I think over the last couple of seasons , teams in league 1 have looked forward and enjoyed playing against us .

What we want to instil , is when one of the opposition players says to another - who have we got next week . The answer from both of them is ----Shit .

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[Jon Bon]

If he was not an ex blade he would not get a mention, he has done nothing at any of his recent clubs and has been unable to command a regular start.
When at bdtbl before he was constantly offside as he had to play right on the shoulder of the last defender due to being so dammed slow. His pace has not improved and although he had the knowledge of previously being in the right place at the right time other teams have not recently benefitted from this "attribute" as he has not been deemed good enough to play on a consistent basis.
Please we can do so much better than a player who has failed us twice.

Indeed. I think the love of Sharp is just one of the symptoms of Bladey Bladeness.

 

[Mack]

If he was not an ex blade he would not get a mention, he has done nothing at any of his recent clubs and has been unable to command a regular start.
When at bdtbl before he was constantly offside as he had to play right on the shoulder of the last defender due to being so dammed slow. His pace has not improved and although he had the knowledge of previously being in the right place at the right time other teams have not recently benefitted from this "attribute" as he has not been deemed good enough to play on a consistent basis.
Please we can do so much better than a player who has failed us twice.

I think the 'failed twice' thing is a tad harsh, first time round he was just a youth player in a side that was pushing for promotion to the Premier League then the second time he was about as big a square peg in a round hole as it's possible to be, he was never really given a proper run in a side/system that played to his strengths.

Otherwise think this is spot on though. He's exactly the sort of player we should be avoiding like the plague; almost 30 years old, perpetually declining in ability, not done anything for about 5 years, hasn't been able to hold down a place at any of his recent clubs, brings nothing to the side that we don't already have, probably going to be on a decent wage, I'm really struggling for reasons why we should be in for him. He just isn't what we need.

 

[Maidenhead]

Based on what?

I don't get the anti Morgan stuff. What does anyone know about his coaching abilities? I know next to nothing, and I suspect so does everyone else.

I've come to accept that Pinchy will automatically reject anything from the past, because he's wedded to the line that "pure" football is the only way to deliver success. 5 years of being continually proved wrong hasn't altered that - so it's not going to change.

But where do others who don't rate him draw this opinion from?

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Probably the most sensible and accurate comment I've seen on here for ages.

The only people that really know are those that work with him, and I've heard no rumblings of discontent on that front

 

[SandyMcBlade]

To sign Billy when we have players/ prospects waiting in the wings who could do the same job would be criminal, the six goals we scored in our last game showed we have the players up front given the right attitude to do the job, letting six in at the back showed where any money should be spent..
Id much prefer giving Done, Addams, and even Diego a run than spend money on Billy because he's not the kind of forward we're short of, IMO .

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Probably the most sensible and accurate comment I've seen on here for ages.

The only people that really know are those that work with him, and I've heard no rumblings of discontent on that front

Funny how desperate these managers are to manage The Blades that they will all take on a dud like Morgan?

 

[mosbolad]

Funny how desperate these managers are to manage The Blades that they will all take on a dud like Morgan?

And he is a dud because of erm, exactly what? Surely not his managerial performance as caretaker over two spells with a grand total of 10 games?

Do enlighten us all.

 

[Pinchy]

Probably the most sensible and accurate comment I've seen on here for ages.

The only people that really know are those that work with him, and I've heard no rumblings of discontent on that front

Have you heard a single expression of approval? No, I haven't either. What a deafening silence! How many times has any smaller club shown the slightest interest in giving him a start in management? Well, in round figures...

He got his job to save money, not on merit. He's now here because he's here because he's here... - a modern day Cec Coldwell and about as much use.

We now know his footballing philosophy of course (we'd never have, guessed!). It's "Nowt fancy - like Bassett". Great stuff Chris; Can't wait.

Cresswell got a similar deal to Muckanettles Morgs, by the way.

Bringimback!

 

[Pinchy]

To sign Billy when we have players/ prospects waiting in the wings who could do the same job would be criminal, the six goals we scored in our last game showed we have the players up front given the right attitude to do the job, letting six in at the back showed where any money should be spent..
Id much prefer giving Done, Addams, and even Diego a run than spend money on Billy because he's not the kind of forward we're short of, IMO .

How does no goals in your last ten games (all at Division Four level) entitle you to "a run"? Are we the Dog and Duck reserves where the fat kid with two left feet is always given fifteen minutes every now and then?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

And he is a dud because of erm, exactly what? Surely not his managerial performance as caretaker over two spells with a grand total of 10 games?

Do enlighten us all.

It was a tongue in cheek quote supporting Morgs.

 

[mosbolad]

It was a tongue in cheek quote supporting Morgs.

I'm not convinced Grumpy. I think you were living up to your name. Oh go on then I'll give you that one, I read it wrong.....maybe.....

 

[Maidenhead]

Have you heard a single expression of approval? No, I haven't either. What a deafening silence! How many times has any smaller club shown the slightest interest in giving him a start in management? Well, in round figures...

He got his job to save money, not on merit. He's now here because he's here because he's here... - a modern day Cec Coldwell and about as much use.

We now know his footballing philosophy of course (we'd never have, guessed!). It's "Nowt fancy - like Bassett". Great stuff Chris; Can't wait.

Cresswell got a similar deal to Muckanettles Morgs, by the way.

Bringimback!

Nice try,

You nearly got me then but sorry I'm not biting ;-)

 

[Darren]

Based on what?

I don't get the anti Morgan stuff. What does anyone know about his coaching abilities? I know next to nothing, and I suspect so does everyone else.

I've come to accept that Pinchy will automatically reject anything from the past, because he's wedded to the line that "pure" football is the only way to deliver success. 5 years of being continually proved wrong hasn't altered that - so it's not going to change.

But where do others who don't rate him draw this opinion from?

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I've got nothing personal against the bloke, but I do think the evidence suggests that Morgan is not that great a coach:

1. United have a history of promoting to manager internally when they are on their financial uppers and the prospective manager shows a modicum of talent (cf McEwan, Spackman). Morgan has now had three chances to get a job on those terms and he hasn't
2. The performances in his two spell as caretaker were hardly distinguished.
3. As Pinchy says, there is no suggestion that any conference or 4th division team has been interested in taking him on as their manager.

 

[sheffielder]

If bringing in Sharp means losing Done, I am not sure it's worth the risk. It's a risk because we don't know what Billy we will be getting. I think McNulty is similar with more upside

I would rather we concentrate on spending extra on quality in places we need it, such as centre back and a holding midfielder. I would supplement the rest with loans personally.

note - I would love Billy to come back and succeed, however not willing to see the farm for it.

 

[super_pig]

Indeed, when Beattie and Sharp were in the same side in their first and second spells respectively, Beattie made Sharp look worse than ordinary.

you mean when he played on the wing to accomodate Beattie? i do remember him scoring four goals against QPR and being moved back to the wing once BT was fit next match

 

[super_pig]

>>I believe Brian the Blade managed Arbouthorne E.A., a long established and highly respected local club, did he not. I dare say he thinks he knows his stuff too.

heh.. quality
the guy is a total tool

 

[Guesty]

you mean when he played on the wing to accomodate Beattie? i do remember him scoring four goals against QPR and being moved back to the wing once BT was fit next match

He scored a hat trick. The defending for which was execrable, although Sharp did do well to get the goals. The number of good performances across his two spells could be counted on the fingers of one hand, though.

He looked utterly hapless most of the time, he never looked like, say, ousting Beattie from the team. Signing him yet again would be a massive retrograde step.

 

[Rossb123]

If bringing in Sharp means losing Done, I am not sure it's worth the risk. It's a risk because we don't know what Billy we will be getting. I think McNulty is similar with more upside

I would rather we concentrate on spending extra on quality in places we need it, such as centre back and a holding midfielder. I would supplement the rest with loans personally.

note - I would love Billy to come back and succeed, however not willing to see the farm for it.

McNulty and Billy are similar build but I would say their work rates are different. Billy ran his socks off when he was with us a few years ago for a full 90 minutes......McNulty seems to struggle after 60mins of chasing lost causes (apart from against Southampton). On the other hand Billy played in a two along side Beattie and McNulty has been up there on his own.

I would also say Billy is more of a poacher where as McNulty can score a goal from pretty much anywhere. Wouldn't mind having them both in our ranks though providing we don't end up over paying for him.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Forget the bladey blade bollocks.

There would be a number of championship clubs that would covet the signature of Sharp.

His signing would be a major coup for ANY L1 team.

But not in deepest darkest S2 !!! We (The Royal We) know better !!!!!!!!

I fuckin despair.

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[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Forget the bladey blade bollocks.

There would be a number of championship clubs that would covet the signature of Sharp.

His signing would be a major coup for ANY L1 team.

But not in deepest darkest S2 !!! We (The Royal We) know better !!!!!!!!

I fuckin despair.

UTB

Billy Sharp would be a great signing all round for the blades . He aint past it yet and has still a lot to offer. If we dont sign him someone else will . Simple as that.

The thread - Fat Lad From Sheffield , always gets me thinking of David Hirst or Mel Sterland .

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[alcoblade]

I've got nothing personal against the bloke, but I do think the evidence suggests that Morgan is not that great a coach:

1. United have a history of promoting to manager internally when they are on their financial uppers and the prospective manager shows a modicum of talent (cf McEwan, Spackman). Morgan has now had three chances to get a job on those terms and he hasn't
2. The performances in his two spell as caretaker were hardly distinguished.
3. As Pinchy says, there is no suggestion that any conference or 4th division team has been interested in taking him on as their manager.

All good points. However to counter, in a game famous for lack of loyalty, a hiring and firing club has been happy to keep extending his employment.

And we should remember that we are talking about his ability to coach / manage a third division under 21 setup. It's an entirely different prospect to managing a club, and he shouldn't be measured against that, even if we could.

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[Maidenhead]

Billy Sharp would be a great signing all round for the blades . He aint past it yet and has still a lot to offer. If we dont sign him someone else will . Simple as that.

The thread - Fat Lad From Sheffield , always gets me thinking of David Hirst or Mel Sterland .

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I'l raise you Kevin Pressman

 

[Maidenhead]

Billy Sharp would be a great signing all round for the blades . He aint past it yet and has still a lot to offer. If we dont sign him someone else will . Simple as that.

The thread - Fat Lad From Sheffield , always gets me thinking of David Hirst or Mel Sterland .

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he's fat, he's shit, he's never f*cking fit, David Hirst, David Hirst

 

[Guesty]

Forget the bladey blade bollocks.

There would be a number of championship clubs that would covet the signature of Sharp.

His signing would be a major coup for ANY L1 team.

But not in deepest darkest S2 !!! We (The Royal We) know better !!!!!!!!

I fuckin despair.

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Based on what? He record of one goal in six for us in the past?

His five goals in 33 league appearances for Leeds?

Christ, sign him up immediately.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Based on what? He record of one goal in six for us in the past?

His five goals in 33 league appearances for Leeds?

Christ, sign him up immediately.

Alright fella.

Find me a player with these sort of stats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Sharp

Who is :-

1. Available.
2. Under £300k fee (ish)
3. Wage demands within reason.
4. Wants to and is willing to play in L1 for SUFC !!!!

Then lets have a natter !!

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