The disagreement between the Inter Cities Fairs Cup committee and the FL/FA in 1962

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Seems like a battle of egos. So the League nominated us to play one year, UEFA agreed with us that we could play the following season, and as a result of the two of them bickering we didn't get to play at all?
 
Cassius Kray said:
Seems like a battle of egos. So the League nominated us to play one year, UEFA agreed with us that we could play the following season, and as a result of the two of them bickering we didn't get to play at all?
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Everton were the only English team to play in the 1962-63 Fairs Cup
 
was the league trophy competition of europe
was never going to last
glorified friendlies between mediocre clubs

we dodged a bullet there

the all new european not quite good enough for the europa league competition will go the same way

and please please scrap THE GOD AWFUL LEAGUE CUP
 
Great stuff Silent. Thanks for posting.

Typical Wednesday getting help and handouts from the authorities at our expense. Dick Wragg was obviously out manoeuvred by Eric Taylor or maybe he didn’t want to rock the boat with UEFA
 
Could someone correct me if im wrong but wouldnt we have qualified for the inter city fairs cup when they changed the rules to let more than one team from each city play in it, everton finished above us and went in with liverpool, think it was when ken furphy managed us, im probabaly mistaken but thats what i half remember
 
The statement in the newspaper article " Wednesday made £10,000 from reaching the quarter finals the previous year" tells you all you need to know about the pigs. The pigs were upset we'd finished 5th above them. No way where they going to let us have access to the cash when it was invitation only.

Dr Andrew Stephen the man who years later used his influence on the FA council to make the contemptible decision to overturn the life time bans of Swan, Kay and Lane was instrumental in getting into UEFA officials ears. In a time where greasing palms and brown paper bags were prevalent in football SWFC suddenly receive an invitation against the wishes of their national associations. Draw your own conclusions. Years later they again put money as a priority over the loss of 96 lives when they went with their begging bowl to the FA. They have no shame.
 
Addison said:
The statement in the newspaper article " Wednesday made £10,000 from reaching the quarter finals the previous year" tells you all you need to know about the pigs. The pigs were upset we'd finished 5th above them. No way where they going to let us have access to the cash when it was invitation only.

Dr Andrew Stephen the man who years later used his influence on the FA council to make the contemptible decision to overturn the life time bans of Swan, Kay and Lane was instrumental in getting into UEFA officials ears. In a time where greasing palms and brown paper bags were prevalent in football SWFC suddenly receive an invitation against the wishes of their national associations. Draw your own conclusions. Years later they again put money as a priority over the loss of 96 lives when they went with their begging bowl to the FA. They have no shame.
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Spot on
 
Argentinemanager said:
Could someone correct me if im wrong but wouldnt we have qualified for the inter city fairs cup when they changed the rules to let more than one team from each city play in it, everton finished above us and went in with liverpool, think it was when ken furphy managed us, im probabaly mistaken but thats what i half remember
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It got replaced by the UEFA Cup in 71 so it wouldn’t have been Furphy.
 
Argentinemanager said:
It was the season where we needed a win away at birmingham last game and drew, i cant remember the years as they all merge into one
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That was the UEFA Cup and I’m too young to remember it but I think we wouldn’t have qualified anyway even if we’d won because some other team above us won. That’s one for either Silent or the elderly contingent.
 
Argentinemanager said:
It was the season where we needed a win away at birmingham last game and drew, i cant remember the years as they all merge into one
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74-5. It was the UEFA Cup. That carried on the one city one club rule from the Fairs Cup, so, for example in 1973, Arsenal who'd finished second in the league couldn't qualify as Spurs got in as League Cup winners.

In 74-5, Villa (league Cup winners), Liverpool (2nd) and Ipswich (3rd) had qualified. Everton finished 4th, but because of the one City one club rule, couldn't qualify. The last place was down to either 5th place Stoke or United, who were 6th, but could overtake Stoke if they won their last game at Birmingham (Stoke having finished their fixtures).

As it happened we drew 0-0 and it looked as if Stoke had qualified. However, UEFA changed the rules in the summer, so Everton qualified after all and United wouldn't have qualified even if they'd beat Birmingham.
 

We were also one game from Europe in 1998. Arsenal had already won their FA Cup semi when we played Newcastle in the other. Arsenal ran away with the league that season, which meant they were in the Champions League and if they won the Cup, the runner up would qualify for the Cup Winners Cup. Of course, we lost the semi.

Ditto 2014 when we would have got into the Europa League as a third tier club if we'd beaten Hull in the FA Cup semi as other finalists Arsenal were in the CL that time as well, though they hadn't qualified when we played the semi.
 
Argentinemanager said:
Could someone correct me if im wrong but wouldnt we have qualified for the inter city fairs cup when they changed the rules to let more than one team from each city play in it, everton finished above us and went in with liverpool, think it was when ken furphy managed us, im probabaly mistaken but thats what i half remember
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You are thinking of 1975.

League table for 1962 was
1. Ipswich (European Cup)
2. Burnley
3. Spurs (won FA Cup so went into CWC Cup)
4. Everton
5. Blades
6. Wendy

Birmingham finished in 17th position!
 
programmechap said:
74-5. It was the UEFA Cup. That carried on the one city one club rule from the Fairs Cup, so, for example in 1973, Arsenal who'd finished second in the league couldn't qualify as Spurs got in as League Cup winners.

In 74-5, Villa (league Cup winners), Liverpool (2nd) and Ipswich (3rd) had qualified. Everton finished 4th, but because of the one City one club rule, couldn't qualify. The last place was down to either 5th place Stoke or United, who were 6th, but could overtake Stoke if they won their last game at Birmingham (Stoke having finished their fixtures).

As it happened we drew 0-0 and it looked as if Stoke had qualified. However, UEFA changed the rules in the summer, so Everton qualified after all and United wouldn't have qualified even if they'd beat Birmingham.
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It would have been so Sheffield United to have beaten Birmingham, qualified and then have it taken away by a rule change. Having said that UEFA rules at the time were not obligatory and they therefore allowed national associations to apply their own qualifying interpretations prior to 74/75.

The one club one city rule was a carry over from the Fairs Cup but the FA and League had agreed to keep it. Everton had been pressing for a few years for the rule to change but were over ruled by the FA. Who was the Chairman of the FA at the time? none other than Dr Andrew Stephen. Wonder if he was on the phone to his UEFA mates asking them to set their own compulsory rules to over ride national association decisions as we were playing Birmingham :D. They duly did but we can only surmise as to why there was a change of heart.
 
 
programmechap said:
We were also one game from Europe in 1998. Arsenal had already won their FA Cup semi when we played Newcastle in the other. Arsenal ran away with the league that season, which meant they were in the Champions League and if they won the Cup, the runner up would qualify for the Cup Winners Cup. Of course, we lost the semi.

Ditto 2014 when we would have got into the Europa League as a third tier club if we'd beaten Hull in the FA Cup semi as other finalists Arsenal were in the CL that time as well, though they hadn't qualified when we played the semi.
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I suspect they changed the rules the season after because they’d realised how close a L1 club had come to qualifying for Europe. Imagine the likes of Porter and Bob Harris against Sevilla or Benfica.
 
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Very interesting. My only contribution is a non-contribution: that season is one I look back on with great fondness (as per the 60 Years Ago thread), and one of the attractions was finishing above Wednesday. But for whatever reason (perhaps partly because I moved over to cricket as soon as the football season ended), I am sure that at the time I was totally ignorant of all these goings-on. Or perhaps I was already set in my ways - I have always loved football for what goes on on the pitch, but had little interest in the ‘politics’ of football. I’m not particularly proud of the fact, but it perhaps explains my total lack of recall of this episode.
 
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