The 3rd Goal - An alternative theory

[Sharrowblade]

Here's a slightly alternate suggestion with regards to third goal, and apologies if somebody has already mentioned it.

From where I was, and I confess Obviously, I've only seen it once in real time, the center-half was happy to play on and pass it forward to their player who I thought deliberately lifted his foot and let it run out of play. But the player who was supposed to have been injured, was up and running and back in active play before the ball went out.

I'm not so sure if our players would even have known that the lad who let the ball go, did so on purpose, (if he did?) , it could have easily been seen as a mis-control (it had been happening all night to be fair).

If United's players were tracking the ball, as Reading were playing it out of defence, not sure they would have noticed there was a potential injury to a player.

He didn't go down, and they didn't inform the referee it had been put out of play for treatment to their player.

Reading didn't set up from the resulting throw to receive the ball back and the referee hadn't indicated anything.

Finally, any degree of sympathy I may have had evaporated on the way back to the car, when a respectably dressed bloke about 50ish approached my 12 year old and said 'F****** Cheats'.

Was that really necessary, fortunately Our Dan defused the situation by laughing and responding 'You need to take better penalties mate'.

 

[him behind you]

Here's a slightly alternate suggestion with regards to third goal, and apologies if somebody has already mentioned it.

From where I was, and I confess Obviously, I've only seen it once in real time, the center-half was happy to play on and pass it forward to their player who I thought deliberately lifted his foot and let it run out of play. But the player who was supposed to have been injured, was up and running and back in active play before the ball went out.

I'm not so sure if our players would even have known that the lad who let the ball go, did so on purpose, (if he did?) , it could have easily been seen as a mis-control (it had been happening all night to be fair).

If United's players were tracking the ball, as Reading were playing it out of defence, not sure they would have noticed there was a potential injury to a player.

He didn't go down, and they didn't inform the referee it had been put out of play for treatment to their player.

Reading didn't set up from the resulting throw to receive the ball back and the referee hadn't indicated anything.

Finally, any degree of sympathy I may have had evaporated on the way back to the car, when a respectably dressed bloke about 50ish approached my 12 year old and said 'F****** Cheats'.

Was that really necessary, fortunately Our Dan defused the situation by laughing and responding 'You need to take better penalties mate'.

You should have twatted him
Edit : The bloke not your lad.

 

[mattbianco1]

Have we got any replays of the build up to the throw in? We always give the ball back when people are injured, always have. It's the right thing to do. But if, as people are saying, there wasn't a player down injured then why should we give it back?

 

[UnitedBlade]

It’s all in Law 5 about referee’s responsibilities regarding injuries. They can stop or not stop play to allow an injured player to leave the field. The player wasn’t injured or left the field so the player has no right to kick the ball off “for attention”. The Reading players all know this.

I can’t see from the highlights but the lino or ref will have signalled which way the throw was or directed United to return the ball. He obviously didn’t and also in Law 5 is the referee’s decision is final. A goal and if Reading kicked it out, they fucked up.

 

[Sharrowblade]

You should have twatted him
Edit : The bloke not your lad.

You're probably right, but I didn't hear the original remark clearly, I knew something had been said but wasn't sure what was said or that it was even directed towards our Dan or Macca or myself, until Dan confirmed what had been said and that it was said to him, and that's why he had laughed and responded.

The little uns were lagging 5 yards behind as usual, they weren't being daft or loud, because I had told them to be aware, and keep their heads down when leaving the ground.

At that point we were a good 400 yards from the stadium, alone, and found ourselves walking against a tide of around 100 home supporters.

I'm not sure that myself as a 51 year old, with two children in tow, that a confrontation would have been regarded as being very dignified or sensible given the situation.

 

[Grappler]

Not quite sure why the BBC are not mentioning this grave miscarriage of justice.....or why Stam himself isn't ranting about it?, maybe the fact that the ref himself had no interest in the situation, other than to award us a goal, spoke volumes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43122514

 

[Davalon]

Seeing as Stam doesn't have a problem based on his interview, I think that nails it.

In his current plight if he genuinely thought there was an injustice or unsportsmanlike conduct, he'd have said so.

 

[Karaoke Blade]

Not quite sure why the BBC are not mentioning this grave miscarriage of justice.....or why Stam himself isn't ranting about it?, maybe the fact that the ref himself had no interest in the situation, other than to award us a goal, spoke volumes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43122514

Spot on Grappler, but I would imagine Stam has other things to worry about, like his upcoming P45!

 

[Wooden House]

Sharrow - Your views of it were exactly the same as mine. It did look like their player lifted his foot to let it go out, but no player was down by this time and United would have given the ball back if aware. Saying that if it goes against us, we would be pissed off.

 

[DronnieBlade]

My alternate theory.

Chin up you spineless Southern tarts

UTB

 

[highgreenintokyo]

He was never down during this phase of play.

 

[GaryHamsonsLeftBootLace]

And no one from Reading is mentioning their player's impression of Tom Daley for the pen?

 

[FriethBlade]

He definitely let it go out of play and that is reflected by my shouting keep it, don't give it back because by that stage I was peed off with their theatrics.

Their fans thought we should give it back to them hence the ' f in cheats chant. However they were more than drowned out by our 'you're f in sh1te' chants which to their credit a number of their fans clearly agreed with.

As an aside I was impressed with Billy as he, quite rightly in my opinion, gave their fans some right abuse after the ' fat cheating bar steward' chants. A number of their fans complained to the stewards so I wouldnt be surprised if there are some ramifications.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Here's a slightly alternate suggestion with regards to third goal, and apologies if somebody has already mentioned it.

From where I was, and I confess Obviously, I've only seen it once in real time, the center-half was happy to play on and pass it forward to their player who I thought deliberately lifted his foot and let it run out of play. But the player who was supposed to have been injured, was up and running and back in active play before the ball went out.

I'm not so sure if our players would even have known that the lad who let the ball go, did so on purpose, (if he did?) , it could have easily been seen as a mis-control (it had been happening all night to be fair).

If United's players were tracking the ball, as Reading were playing it out of defence, not sure they would have noticed there was a potential injury to a player.

He didn't go down, and they didn't inform the referee it had been put out of play for treatment to their player.

Reading didn't set up from the resulting throw to receive the ball back and the referee hadn't indicated anything.

Finally, any degree of sympathy I may have had evaporated on the way back to the car, when a respectably dressed bloke about 50ish approached my 12 year old and said 'F****** Cheats'.

Was that really necessary, fortunately Our Dan defused the situation by laughing and responding 'You need to take better penalties mate'.

Sounds like your lad's got a bright future - get him signed up as a forum member.

 

[FTPE]

And no one from Reading is mentioning their player's impression of Tom Daley for the pen?

To be honest that's the main reason that I don't give a shit how our 3rd came about.
I'm sick of being the honest side that doesnt get what they deserve. It was endearing at first but it turned into nievity.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I think, too, that it makes a lot of difference that it wasn't the winning goal. If they go on too much, it will just sound like sour grapes because they lost.

 

[northsomersetblade]

There was a clash between their number 6 and Billy I think....the number 6 hobbled along for a few moments and the ball went out of play on the right (I didn't see exactly how but it seemed like normal play)....the number 6 started moving normally again, the throw in was taken, we scored (great pass and finish). I didn't think there was anything wrong at all until the biscuit men started howling about it and still don't

 

[PokerBlade]

He let it run out of play for a player that wasn't down injured. If their lad stays down then, at the very least, the ref delays our throw-in to see if he needs treatment. I'm all for more sportsmanship in football but I'm not sure we have to give the ball back simply because their entirely incompetent defence made another stupid decision.

 

[Sabella's Socks]

Just watching on iFollow, and what's even better about this is three or four times in the match their player (Liam Moore?) has a real dig at Billy, swipes his feet from under him, shoves him over off the ball etc. It's targetted, like he's acting on instructions to wind him up.

Instead of reacting Billy bides his time. Then, about 15 minutes into the second half, Billy "mistimes" a tackle in midfield and catches Moore(?) badly on the ankle.

Moore goes down. A couple of minutes later it's him that's hobbling around, sitting down, then standing up as the ball is kicked out for a throw. A throw which leads to a great pass from Fleck, and a very good finish - by Billy.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

We deserved to win and Reading should be grateful that the final score was only 3-1.The fuss that they made about the legality of the third goal is embarrasing,returning the ball to the opponent following an injury is no longer discretionary,the decision is the referees and his alone.If he thinks you should,he will indicate this to the player taking the throw in,if he doesn't you play on,it's as simple as that,so they can bollocks !!!

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Am I the only Blade that was embarrassed & pissed off about our shennanigans at Farsenal all them years ago.
We CHOSE to put the ball out because OUR lad was down (far too long ago & too many Guiness' & Single Malt's to recall who - sure someone will oblige)
WHY THE FUCK should we expect the opposition to return it ?
Slightly different if we lose possession by putting it out for THEIR lad.
Proof positive that Bruce was, is, and always will be a cunt

[and breathe.......]

 

[8lade]

A throw which leads to a great pass from Fleck, and a very good finish - by Billy.

Yes given the attention of the defender it was an amazing finish from Sharp.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Am I the only Blade that was embarrassed & pissed off about our shennanigans at Farsenal all them years ago.
We CHOSE to put the ball out because OUR lad was down (far too long ago & too many Guiness' & Single Malt's to recall who - sure someone will oblige)
WHY THE FUCK should we expect the opposition to return it ?
Slightly different if we lose possession by putting it out for THEIR lad.
Proof positive that Bruce was, is, and always will be a cunt

[and breathe.......]

Not particularly, however I thought it was very magnanimous of Wenger to void the match. What I find embarrassing is the whinging and moaning that has gone on since - i.e. that it should have been counted as a draw, not just replayed. For fuck sake, he could have just said bad luck, the result stands. And no he didn't have "no choice". It was another piece of football history that the Blades are involved in, but we spoil it with sour grapes. We had two chances and weren't good enough either time, so fair enough, give credit where credit's due and move on.

 

[ghandi]

Not particularly, however I thought it was very magnanimous of Wenger to void the match. What I find embarrassing is the whinging and moaning that has gone on since - i.e. that it should have been counted as a draw, not just replayed. For fuck sake, he could have just said bad luck, the result stands. And no he didn't have "no choice". It was another piece of football history that the Blades are involved in, but we spoil it with sour grapes. We had two chances and weren't good enough either time, so fair enough, give credit where credit's due and move on.

Decison wasn't Wenger's it was made by their chairman David Dein. Arsene didn't see the incident as usual.

 

[LondonBlade89]

I'm coming into this a bit late, but I also thought that half the reason the bloke let it run out was because it was such a bad pass from the centre back. I was shouting for us not to throw it back.