That's on Wilder

[designedbyross]

I agree with this, the peck & Slimane subs made no sense to me. The Rak Sakyi & Brewster subs were just to get as many attackers on the pitch as possible.

O’Hare stayed on too long, nobody was tracking down the left which doubled up Burrows. They bossed CM we needed another body in there.

Gilchrist was really poor, Burrows wasn’t much better. Hopefully they’re all just getting used to playing together

Yep agreed. I would’ve brought Peck on but would’ve kept Souza on as well and let 3 sit in just to try get control back.

It was just suddenly really easy for them to pass the ball forward in the second half and they all played 20 yards further forward. Their CB’s were on the edge of their box in the first half, they were on the halfway line in the second. I’m not sure whose responsibility it is to get us pushed out, GK? CB/Captain? Wilder? For now we’ll put it down to inexperience but I still think we need an older experienced player in CM. Wilder banged on about needing more leaders but we didn’t see much of it today when things got tough again.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Sign a recognized RB.. I get we haven't got cover in that position but to ask Anel to go RB is a joke! I'd rather us have took Ohare off bring on peck drop brooks deeper to help Gilchrist and shut up shop.

Gilchrist was out on his feet. He literally had nothing left, if you were there you’ll have seen that.

There was no alternative other than putting a LB to RB which isn’t completely unreasonable albeit would have been awkward for Trusty or McCallum but the obvious choice was Anel.

The subs that didn’t make sense to me were Peck & Slimane at time where we needed to stretch the game back into our favour and get at them as they’d gone down to 10.

I presumed they’d take off Ohare earlier than we did. All their play came down the left, I’m not sure Anel at right back was the changing point of the game

 

[Blade 1971]

Davies isn’t a new player, and he neshed their first goal, should have cleared the lot out

Yeah, I get that. I just feel its a bit early to rip a performance apart (not that you were). Shit happens. It'll be right.

 

[Keen Blade]

Wilder said the players went off script

Shifting the blame which he ought to know is his - he has umpteen subs at his disposal

 

[UddersBlade]

Way too early to judge….i always say you need to give it 10 games to judge properly - unless you are losing every game!. Leeds in mid October is 10 games in & if we are serious about the play offs or better - we need to be on or around 17 pts by then. I’ll judge Wilder Mk 2 again at that point. So we need 15 pts from the next 8 games…..so let’s see how things go.

 

[paidsy]

In all honesty Hecky was the same, Wilder clearly hasn’t changed either

2 cheeks, same arse. We need to be realistic now, he's not only had 3 games has he...

 

[The Crab]

2 cheeks, same arse. We need to be realistic now, he's not only had 3 games has he...

Oh I agree, I do think we need to wait for when / if this takeover happens because I’m not sure I trust the princes judgement on replacing Wilder

 

[DroitwichBlade]

Here we go. 2nd match in and Wilder is at fault. Bed wetters.

 

[RecordBreakers]

Gilchrist was out on his feet. He literally had nothing left, if you were there you’ll have seen that.

There was no alternative other than putting a LB to RB which isn’t completely unreasonable albeit would have been awkward for Trusty or McCallum but the obvious choice was Anel.

The subs that didn’t make sense to me were Peck & Slimane at time where we needed to stretch the game back into our favour and get at them as they’d gone down to 10.

I presumed they’d take off Ohare earlier than we did. All their play came down the left, I’m not sure Anel at right back was the changing point of the game

Reading that I agree with ya, yes I was there I know Gilchrist was knackered. I said to lads we still need a RB and ST to add cover.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Here we go. 2nd match in and Wilder is at fault. Bed wetters.

Is that all you've got, or are you going to explain why you don't agree?

 

[ghandi]

Way too early to judge….i always say you need to give it 10 games to judge properly - unless you are losing every game!. Leeds in mid October is 10 games in & if we are serious about the play offs or better - we need to be on or around 17 pts by then. I’ll judge Wilder Mk 2 again at that point. So we need 15 pts from the next 8 games…..so let’s see how things go.

I'll judge Wilder Mk2 who has been the manager for the latter part of last season and today. Good signings and a strong starting eleven and a very strong bench. Today's result was entirety down to him not understanding what was happening in the 2nd half and not using the bench. If we get new owners they need to fuck Wilder off PDQ.

 

[Bertie Mee]

Think you can blame Wilder when it's his fuck up without saying he needs to be sacked etc ...

In the same way Burrows and Gilchrist were awful today, but will come good.

Saying someone had a bad game doesn't mean you don't rate them, it just means they had a bad game!

I watched Gilchrist over the last two games and unless I’m missing something I ain’t see nowt special yet. Likes to go backwards and sideways too much for me but early days.

 

[ancientblade]

absolutely wilders fault today got outthought by the rangers manager big lesson to learn today and one other point 4231 ok for away games but we have to play 2 strikers at home moore far too isolated today

 

[The Crab]

Here we go. 2nd match in and Wilder is at fault. Bed wetters.

Shutting down opinions you don’t like

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I watched Gilchrist over the last two games and unless I’m missing something I ain’t see nowt special yet. Likes to go backwards and sideways too much for me but early days.

If i was being overly critical, I'd say QPR either scouted him and/or saw the whites of his eyes first half today and thought we'll give him a go....

In mitigation, Hamer was the worst player on the pitch second half, and when OHare shifted to LW he was just as bad...

I'm amazed Wilder didn't make the adjustments necessary. Can only think as he's on the far touchline he couldn't see it as clearly as we could in the John St... The RW pulled real wide, Burrows followed, JLT stayed central and our defence had a gap the size of the channel tunnel for most of the second half ...

 

[moody1889]

I'm not buying or selling about Wilder at this point, but I think any manager saying his team went off script (if he in fact has said this) is not a good look.

It doesn't matter whether you're managing a team of footballers, or a team of office workers, if you're the manager you need to manage.

I could not believe he did that he threw himself and the players under the bus.

And made himself look incompetent.

 

[ekke287]

Here we go. 2nd match in and Wilder is at fault. Bed wetters.

2nd match plus how many last season where the same problem occurred?

Or do we write off the utter shite of that season and start fresh? How does it work in your mind?

 

[Snake]

I completely agree with the OP. I'm one of Wilder's biggest fans - I wanted him back, I wanted him retained to do the rebuild and I want him to remain. But I have to admit, even as a knownowt punter (as Chris call us) it was obvious early in the second half that changes needed to be made. We needed more pace up front and down the flanks to stretch the game and get them turning, rather than letting them dictate the tempo and weave straight through us. Lots of people love Brooks, but I really don't see it. He gets the ball and immediately stops and turns inside onto his left peg. When JRS came on he stretched play and ran at the defender - who shit himself.

Sorry Chris, from one of your fans, today mate you weren't at the races.

 

[Tazzy]

2 Wins and a draw from a team that was put together 3 weeks ago give it a rest. judge him in 10/15 games

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Why did the majority of his workers clock off early?

 

[Torrix1889]

Have I stumbled on to the bedwetters thread?

I didn't want Wilder back, can't stand the bloke if I'm 100% honest but he's the manager of SUFC so will get my support.

Today he got things wrong. I completely understood the Soutter sub as we needed to go to 3 at the back and get an extra man in midfield as we were being overrun but Rucksack should have been on at the same time.

Early days, we have an almost complete new team who need to gel.....however, a lot of the new boys have stated that Wilder was one of the main reasons for signing so he has done a fantastic job in selling the club/project.

Just remember his first stint didn't start off great but when it clicked....it fucking clicked....hopefully we will see the same.

 

[paidsy]

Here we go. 2nd match in and Wilder is at fault. Bed wetters.

It's not Wilders 2nd match in though is it? He's displaying all the lack of awareness we saw last season which is a massive problem.

 

[thehet]

Remember, we lost to Swansea and Boro the first two games when Wilder had us promoted.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Today's fuck up was more on the players than Wilder.

Too many of them resting on their laurels after the first half.

 

[Keen Blade]

If i was being overly critical, I'd say QPR either scouted him and/or saw the whites of his eyes first half today and thought we'll give him a go....

In mitigation, Hamer was the worst player on the pitch second half, and when OHare shifted to LW he was just as bad...

I'm amazed Wilder didn't make the adjustments necessary. Can only think as he's on the far touchline he couldn't see it as clearly as we could in the John St... The RW pulled real wide, Burrows followed, JLT stayed central and our defence had a gap the size of the channel tunnel for most of the second half ...

I have always thought the flat view from the touchline is nowhere near good enough for a manager to see what is really happening

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Have I stumbled on to the bedwetters thread?

I didn't want Wilder back, can't stand the bloke if I'm 100% honest but he's the manager of SUFC so will get my support.

Today he got things wrong. I completely understood the Soutter sub as we needed to go to 3 at the back and get an extra man in midfield as we were being overrun but Rucksack should have been on at the same time.

Early days, we have an almost complete new team who need to gel.....however, a lot of the new boys have stated that Wilder was one of the main reasons for signing so he has done a fantastic job in selling the club/project.

Just remember his first stint didn't start off great but when it clicked....it fucking clicked....hopefully we will see the same.

No, the bedwetter threads concern the owner and the takeover, this one concerns today's game and how in the eyes of many, the manager got it wrong. We all know about his previous stint, more highs and lows than we care to mention, and I doubt there's many of us not hoping we can experience those highs again.

in my opinion, with a wealth of talent on the pitch and on the bench he got it wrong, I'm neither pissing nor shitting the bed over that, just expressing an opinion. It's kind of the backbone of message boards

As to the term 'bedwetter' it was mildly amusing at first but due to it's misuse and over use, it's boring as fuck now. We need to come up with something better, any ideas?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Today's fuck up was more on the players than Wilder.

Too many of them resting on their laurels after the first half.

Wouldn't disagree, but surely it's the manager job to see this and drag 5 off and throw another 5 on?

What would Mourinho/Pep have done in the same circumstances?

 

[PaddysMad]

2 wins 1 draw awful ain’t it.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Is that all you've got, or are you going to explain why you don't agree?

Every bad performance can be blamed on the manager. They are always ultimately responsible for every defeat.

So far our results and performances have been good. Today was poor. Given our circumstances, I and most on here seemed to expect some bedding in.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Shifting the blame which he ought to know is his - he has umpteen subs at his disposal

The most disappointing thing for me apart from dropping 2 points was !
It was easy to see the game slipping away after we made a great start! Did we think the game was won there was plenty of back slapping and giggles all over the pitch after the 2nd.
QPR no 7 was causing us
problems all game looked a really good player moving him inside seemed to change the game in there favour.We didn't react to the change of tactic and they ran the show in the 2nd half.
It was clear we were struggling but Wilder didn't really change anything and we became nervous and edgy , QPR took no7 off and I thought they had done us a favour! not so they got stronger and showed real physicality and no shortage of skill.
There's no doubt they got at us 2nd half and deserved the draw we have a strong bench now yet we used the subs reactively rather than proactively and nothing was changed until they had got the game by the scruff of the neck it was no surprise they equalised even when down to 10 men.
Early doors and too early to draw any conclusions but we lacked physicality and were bullied a bit late on.