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He's a striker that has played as a 10 for most of the season aye. He's not played as a defensive midfielder though.

We didn't need the defensive midfielder, Peck was doing that. We needed creativity, a 10, Brewster came on and did that, he could have done it from the kick off.
 

That was a stinker of a performance but I’m not going to panic. You always get the odd result like this in a promotion season, I remember Millwall at home. I am amazed however that Wilder has gone so big on striker signings when it’s obvious we need much better in central midfield.
 
We had no midfield, or better put we had no leader, no one skilled enough to put their foot on the ball and use it wisely and sad to say, no one quick enough or brave enough to try and win the second ball against a bottom 3 team. Square pegs in round holes, no idea what Wilder's expectation was because it failed at Swansea and it was even worse tonight. Hopefully Vini's fit now and Burrows moves back wide. Peck can do the scrapping and the runners can run.

Bar from a 10 minute spell we were woeful and bottom line, we're fucked at the back without a Soutts type, fucked whenever Gilchrist plays and unless BBD suddenly learns how to control a football in 5 touches or less are in danger of blowing this.

If we get everyone back and the tinkering stops we should be good enough but even with the signings, we're nowhere even close to being a Premier League team.

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With no Arblaster & Hamer we have no creativity in there .. we still need an another centre mid player & a centre back . As well as missing Souttar’s physical presence we are missing him as an organiser at the back
 
Clearly Vini wasn't available to start or he would have.

Brooks is a decent shout tbf, not confident he'd play the role better than Burrows but he might have.
Brooks was literally our best player v Liverpool in CM last season.
Burrows was like 1/10 against Swansea.
 
We didn't need the defensive midfielder, Peck was doing that. We needed creativity, a 10, Brewster came on and did that, he could have done it from the kick off.
We play a 4-2-3-1, with the "2" being two of Souza, Arblaster, Peck, Davies or Shackleton. We've never started O'Hare, Brewster, Brooks or JRS there. We've not even started Hamer there, who has previously played that role.

I'm not meaning to shit on your suggestion, perhaps it might have worked. But I would assume 99% of fans wouldn't even consider Brewster as one of the two sixes.
 
Would Blacker be worse than playing a LB at centre mid?
I would assume so, yeah. Would you be surprised if Blacker was playing in the National League North in a few years? What makes you confident he's a Championship or even League 1 level midfielder?
 
I would assume so, yeah. Would you be surprised if Blacker was playing in the National League North in a few years? What makes you confident he's a Championship or even League 1 level midfielder?

But Burrows has never been a CM. He's definitely not a championship level CM, or a L1 CM. He's a left back.

Being good at football doesn't mean you can play anywhere does it? Surely it matters where you be specialise?

Which is why I ask the question
 
Has he been playing as a CM for the academy? I don't watch much so dunno, have just heard he's a forward.
Blacker used to be similar to Marsh. He's been retrained and although it took him some time to adapt, he's improved tremendously the last year or so. Blacker and Aston have formed a great midfield partnership for the U21s.
 
We play a 4-2-3-1, with the "2" being two of Souza, Arblaster, Peck, Davies or Shackleton. We've never started O'Hare, Brewster, Brooks or JRS there. We've not even started Hamer there, who has previously played that role.

I'm not meaning to shit on your suggestion, perhaps it might have worked. But I would assume 99% of fans wouldn't even consider Brewster as one of the two sixes.

99% of fans don't see Burrows as a midfielder so not sure your comment has much relevance.
 
We had no midfield, or better put we had no leader, no one skilled enough to put their foot on the ball and use it wisely and sad to say, no one quick enough or brave enough to try and win the second ball against a bottom 3 team. Square pegs in round holes, no idea what Wilder's expectation was because it failed at Swansea and it was even worse tonight. Hopefully Vini's fit now and Burrows moves back wide. Peck can do the scrapping and the runners can run.

Bar from a 10 minute spell we were woeful and bottom line, we're fucked at the back without a Soutts type, fucked whenever Gilchrist plays and unless BBD suddenly learns how to control a football in 5 touches or less are in danger of blowing this.

If we get everyone back and the tinkering stops we should be good enough but even with the signings, we're nowhere even close to being a Premier League team.

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Wilder has worked miracles this season, and he deserves the benefit of the doubt, and a bit of latitude to make mistakes.

But he has an ego the size of Mars, and struggles to acknowledge it when he’s been wrong. Tonight’s ridiculous starting XI reflects that, and made it hard for us to recover after we’d gone behind.

4/10.
 

Awful all over the park.

Started with Burrows against Swansea in the middle of the park and we was awful. Yet we do the same thing again. We was asking for a result like that tonight.

Don’t even get me started on the defence
Wooo go Zipwire. Congrats on being right. Go zipwire!!! Three cheers for zipwire! Hip hip...
 
Can anyone explain why we insist on playing inverted wide men.
Against Swansea Seriki got to the bye line twice and created 1 goal and we should have had a second.
If we are playing with a makeshift midfield that isn't going to create an awful lot down the middle, then surely it is easier to get the ball out wide to attack the fullbacks.
Brooks or JRS on the right, Diaz on the left never created anything, everytime they cut inside and slow the play down. I just don't get why Wilder is so reluctant to swop them about. He does it with other players particularly Ohare and Hamer but never the sidemen.
 
99% of fans don't see Burrows as a midfielder so not sure your comment has much relevance.
The difference is, I'm not claiming Burrows is a midfielder, whereas you seemed to be trying to argue that Brewster and Blacker are

If you've been watching the u21s and fancy Blacker as a good 6, fair enough. Brewster is never a 6.
 
Cooper
Gilchrist Anel Robinson Burrows
Brooks Souza Peck
Ohare
Brewster Campbell

That’s how I’d have started.

Cannon & BBD & JRS to come on accordingly/if needed but I think us starting with that offers balance and we could’ve started a lot better than what we did.
 
Brewster or Blacker if you're going like for like but against a poor team who looked scared to death at first, change it up and put them on the back foot. Has to be better than letting them have the ball and grow in confidence. They were bottom 3 for a reason.
Hull are far from a bottom three side, yes they were under the previous manager but they have decent players and a new manager who knows what he is doing. I expected a tough game tonight but didn't expect Wilder to drop so many bollocks and give Hull a helping hand.
 
Just a few observations.
1.Wilder underestimated Hull. BBD and Cannon should not have started. Not match fit and not up to speed with team mates.

2. The Press. Hulls press was excellent and we were too slow moving the ball. They were able to read our intentions and press and by the 3rd pass we lost the ball. It happened too many times. Our press was woeful in comparison. Hull have been dodgy playing out from the back and gave them very little hassle

3 Midfield. Burrows and Peck started. Not bad but not great. Peck grew into the game and put a shift in. Burrows back to LB. Peck to RB replaced by Vini and Brewster.

4. Campbell on so Cannon has to drop deeper. Why not take him off.

5. Urgency and cohesion. Too slow to create chances. But in fairness we did put the ball in the danger zone but why o why was it always the smallest man on the field who got his head to those chances. O'Hare should have been bowled over by one of our players climbing to head the ball.

6. We play 4 at the back but want our full backs to push on as if we are playing 352.
Souttar is a loss as Anel and Robinson are often too far apart and have to scramble. When they are pressed they look wobbly.

Hopefully everyone learns from tonight and with players coming back and an addition or two we can solidify and perform. It went from poor to slow and steady. We took off for 10 minutes then we folded and it was like Custers last stand.
 
Watford away a few weeks ago, we were 2-1 up, I'm feeling confident. Hamer goes off injured and we barely venture in their half again and it is a nerve wracking end to the game. Today without Hamer we seem so lacking in creativity. Hamer is one of the finest players I've seen for us. I want to go up for many reasons, but partly because I think otherwise he will leave us
 
The difference is, I'm not claiming Burrows is a midfielder, whereas you seemed to be trying to argue that Brewster and Blacker are

If you've been watching the u21s and fancy Blacker as a good 6, fair enough. Brewster is never a 6.

We had a 6, we needed a 10. Brewster could have played a 10.
 
We play with two 6s and one 10. O'Hare was playing as the 10 as he has done for most of the season.

We didn't need two 6's against a team in the bottom three, we needed another 10. Oh, and O'Hare runs too much to be a 10.
 
We didn't need two 6's against a team in the bottom three, we needed another 10. Oh, and O'Hare runs too much to be a 10.
Maybe, who knows. Another poster above has suggested we underestimated them, but you're saying we should've played another 10.

Criticising is fair enough, we did something wrong so I can't really be arsed to defend the performance. It's just not obvious what would have worked instead, even with hindsight. We still have loads of people saying "start Souza" when it was clearly not possible.
 
Maybe, who knows. Another poster above has suggested we underestimated them, but you're saying we should've played another 10.

Criticising is fair enough, we did something wrong so I can't really be arsed to defend the performance. It's just not obvious what would have worked instead, even with hindsight. We still have loads of people saying "start Souza" when it was clearly not possible.

Opinions are why these places exist, I have no problem disagreeing over team selection, tactics etc. I think Hull were there for the taking and had we been more adventurous would have won the game. Starting Vini would have been a gamble and we should have had enough, even with a weakened squad to see off Hull. We got it wrong, we've got players back, let's hope the juggling with playing players out of position is over.
 
Wilder probably didn't want another inexperienced player like Blacker alongside Peck,who i thought did well overall,and in a 442 alongside a LB with Hull stringing 5 across the middle,it was a big ask.
Personally i would have put Brooks or Blacker alongside,or gone back to the 4231 shape.
I think if the Campbell goal hadn't been chalked off,we'd most likely have gone on and won the game.
 

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