That defending

[Slim Man]

I think Coutts makes a huge difference tonight.

We couldn’t get a hold of the game, even at 1-0. That’s what Coutts does.

 

[Slim Man]

Nah - deflected off Lundstrum. He should have got closer to his man. His fault if anyone's not Jam but it was lucky more than owt.

Fair enough. Didn’t really have that clear a view of it from the Kop, just seemed like it beat JB near post.

 

[Captain]

CCV was out of sorts all night, at fault for first two , toss up between him n Bash for the third.Saying that Sessignon is a top notch player, Premiership Top 4 clubs will Be after him come January

 

[Blade 62]

OK we lost, but at least we went down fighting and I don't mind that.
All I want to see is someone who tried and not a team that rolls over.
We've seen this tonight.
All this talk of auto or play offs don't matter to me, we're safe or as near as and won't be playing the likes of bury or southend next season.
The talk was at the start was safety and we know we have that.
Please some of you, just be pleased for some small mercies UTB

 

[Slim Man]

Agreed ccv makes a mistake for the first but he is a young lad and is still learning the game him self is bound to have a mistake every now and again. The second one is a bit harsh to blame on ccv as they break with pace and he just can't keep up and slips Fulham are one of the quickest teams in this league in my opinion so when they break quickly it is going to be hard keeping up with them and he slips in trying to keep up. The 3rd I thought was if we are going to blame anyone I think it was bash in the wrong to be honest the player was on the back post and ran from our right hand side Basham should be picking that run up and getting in front of his volley there. I don't think it's a bad performance overall and I think most of the game we out played them and they had a bit of luck on there side. Onto Birmingham now who I think we will give a good pasting to be honest.

Like I said, arguably cos I’m not too sure.

However personally I think that area of the box should be marked by CCV as RCB. Poor one to give away.

He’s a young kid and a good player, don’t get me wrong but he had a stinker tonight. His head completely went after that mistake, I would’ve pulled him at half time.

He’ll learn a lot from this.

 

[LJBlade]

Yes, it's the striker Billy Sharps fault that we let 5 goals in tonight. Fuck all to do with the fact that Carter Vickers gift wrapped 2 of them and Basham was 7 miles away from his man for the 3rd.

Let's all fucking blame Billy Sharp, the forums favourite target.

Which two are you saying that CCV gift wrapped to them? I thought he was at fault for the 1st and 3rd but you seem to blaming Basham for the 3rd

 

[PokerBlade]

Yes, it's the striker Billy Sharps fault that we let 5 goals in tonight. Fuck all to do with the fact that Carter Vickers gift wrapped 2 of them and Basham was 7 miles away from his man for the 3rd.

Let's all fucking blame Billy Sharp, the forums favourite target.

I'm sure we've had this conversation before. When Billy's not scoring, he's usually not doing much else either. Fortunately, he's scored 59 goals in his last ~100 games. It's not like we lost tonight for the lack of attacking threats.

 

[LJBlade]

CCV was out of sorts all night, at fault for first two , toss up between him n Bash for the third.Saying that Sessignon is a top notch player, Premiership Top 4 clubs will Be after him come January

How was CCV at fault for the 2nd? Got to say I didn’t see it that way

 

[Foody]

Carter Vickers made an uncharacteristic error and perhaps unsurprisingly his head dropped and he looked really out of sorts.

We've been figured out, any team who has the Jamaican Olympic relay team up top and good ball players in the middle of the park can come and beat us. Our defence had a really off day, but on the ball Fulham are as good as I've seen so far. Played a really high line and pressured us superbly, gave us zero space and forced us to play long ball football. Sure we missed Coutts but put Baldock in that side and not only do we stretch them attacking wise but we don't concede 5.

 

[metalblade]

Which two are you saying that CCV gift wrapped to them? I thought he was at fault for the 1st and 3rd but you seem to blaming Basham for the 3rd

You could say CCV was at fault for all 3 first half goals, poor pass back, a slip for the second (which has happened before maybe he needs different boots) can't work out why he was nearer to the man O'Connell had picked up rather than attacking the cross, him and Bash ball watching.

 

[biggey blade]

Like I said, arguably cos I’m not too sure.

However personally I think that area of the box should be marked by CCV as RCB. Poor one to give away.

He’s a young kid and a good player, don’t get me wrong but he had a stinker tonight. His head completely went after that mistake, I would’ve pulled him at half time.

He’ll learn a lot from this.

I think you are correct he will learn a lot from that game as well and I also think he is learning from every game he plays.

I don't know if I agree with the 3rd I know what you are saying but for me Basham should be watching for anyone running on to the back post and for the ball coming across the box if he was in the position to block the man on the back post the next place it could have gone would have been out wide and I am sure he would have had loads of time to react to the ball coming all that way and then get back out in front of the player, again not trying to blame anyone to be honest as it's not Basham natural position but I do think if that was baldock or Freeman down that side it might have been a little different.

I think ccv is still learning and will only improve as he does so but this won't have helped his confidence I just hope he gets back in Saturday and doesn't let it effect him to much.

 

[LJBlade]

You could say CCV was at fault for all 3 first half goals, poor pass back, a slip for the second (which has happened before maybe he needs different boots) can't work out why he was nearer to the man O'Connor had picked up rather than attacking the cross, him and Bash ball watching.

Yeah I get the argument for the 1st and 3rd goals but I don’t think you can blame a player for slipping over. And it’s not like he let the kid through on goal, he still had plenty to do after that

 

[biggey blade]

You could say CCV was at fault for all 3 first half goals, poor pass back, a slip for the second (which has happened before maybe he needs different boots) can't work out why he was nearer to the man O'Connor had picked up rather than attacking the cross, him and Bash ball watching.

As I have mentioned I think the back pass no doubt is a silly mistake and is ccvs fault. The other 2 I think are a bit harsh to blame on him the 2nd one they break quickly and in my opinion are one of the fastest if not the fastest team in the league and he is trying to keep up with the players and slips in the process of trying to keep up not his fault in my opinion, And the 3rd one I think to be honest if we was to blame anyone I think it should have been down to Basham to watch the man on the back post and think had it been baldock or Freeman then they would have picked up that runner on the back post and that's not putting Basham down as it's not his natural position but I do think had we had baldock or Freeman down that side they would have picked up on him.

 

[wavy-blade]

Exactly.

He had the same service Leon had ????

 

[spongebobblade]

The first goal is self explanatory. It happens to most defenders at some point in there careers. 2nd goal was down to a bit of luck and the space opening up after CCV slipped. It was costly yes but it’s harsh to hold him accountable. 3rd down to non existent tracking back and marking by Bash. I love Bash but we needed a quicker and more mobile player like Baldock at wing back tonight. I’m discounting the 4th and 5th goals as we were going he’ll for leather for it at the time. Credit the management. They did there utmost to get us back into the game. Wilder has said we might get the odd beating and today could have gone that way but never under estimate a Wilder side. The Fulham players were absolutely knackered energy wise at full time. Time to bounce back again Saturday

 

[Tyler Durden]

He had the same service Leon had ????

Which of those 5 goals was Billys fault then? Go on.

 

[spongebobblade]

........and while we are at it, it wasn’t Billy night tonight but let’s just note he worked his bollocks off for the team and they continually crowded him out. He will have better days but he still gave his all

 

[stringer]

Haha bet Danny is fuming - Hanson came on too! Your favourite player haha

And another of his faves, Carruthers helped change the game.

Billy Sharp...had no service at all tonight.

Leon did alright didn't he?

 

[true99blade]

Yes, it's the striker Billy Sharps fault that we let 5 goals in tonight. Fuck all to do with the fact that Carter Vickers gift wrapped 2 of them and Basham was 7 miles away from his man for the 3rd.

Let's all fucking blame Billy Sharp, the forums favourite target.

No one blamed Sharp for us conceding. He just had a very poor game tonight. But fucking hell if Sharp scored a hatrick of own goals you’d manage to have a dig at the forum. Love Sharp, so does everyone on here, but doesn’t mean that he’s immune to criticism when it’s warranted.

...cue me getting labelled a cunt or accused of Billy bashing.

 

[sitwell]

Wow. The worst I’ve seen since the Southend debacle.

Bad bad BAD day at the office, embarrassing result and we’re back down to earth with a HUGE bang.

I’d hate to see us fade away after such an amazing start after losing Coutts. Time for the lads to step up to the plate starting on Saturday. Our season literally depends on it.

Today, that was shocking. Some of the mistakes I wouldn’t have expected to see from Jay McEveley.

Birmingham can’t come quick enough.

Sigh

 

[true99blade]

I think Coutts makes a huge difference tonight.

We couldn’t get a hold of the game, even at 1-0. That’s what Coutts does.

Personally think that Coutts wouldn’t have made a difference in the result tonight. We were too open across the back five.

 

[Slim Man]

Personally think that Coutts wouldn’t have made a difference in the result tonight. We were too open across the back five.

Coutts very often comes back into a sort of quarterback role and plugs those very gaps. He is a perfect defensive screen, without being an all tackling and hassling Kante like midfielder.

 

[Iceybabey]

Personally think that Coutts wouldn’t have made a difference in the result tonight. We were too open across the back five.

I think that if Coutts had played and he played at the level he has been, then he would always make a difference. For me, Coutts is our best player and has often been the best player on the pitch. Not saying, that if Coutts had played and played well, the result wouldn't have been the same. But, for me Coutts would always make a difference.

 

[dc_blade]

Coutts very often comes back into a sort of quarterback role and plugs those very gaps. He is a perfect defensive screen, without being an all tackling and hassling Kante like midfielder.

Second most average tackles per game in the squad; tied for most interceptions. Not to mention almost 20 more passes per game than anyone else in the squad. He almost is our Kante to be fair.

 

[Bartleby]

OK we lost, but at least we went down fighting and I don't mind that.
All I want to see is someone who tried and not a team that rolls over.
We've seen this tonight.

I agree with that bit

All this talk of auto or play offs don't matter to me, we're safe or as near as and won't be playing the likes of bury or southend next season.
The talk was at the start was safety and we know we have that.
Please some of you, just be pleased for some small mercies UTB

Don't agree with that bit. We should have our sights set higher a lot than survival now - I'm certain that the management have.

 

[Sean Thornton]

CCV for the first 3 arguably, that first one was blooper DVD worthy. Blackman should’ve saved the fourth.

Blackman made a brilliant save at 1-0.

CCV mishit the pass back for the first. It happens. Poor defending all around and being pulled apart by a speedy Fulham side didn't help. Basham spent a lot of time pointing fingers but was clearly targeted by Fulham as a weak link. Can't see without a replay how CCV was at fault for three.

The one high point, which is important, is that at three goals behind we didn't stop and pulled two back. Fulham were the better side but half their team were on their backs at full time. We never gave in. We aren't a side that rolls over and dies anymore.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We need to sort that out sharpish. The slight worry is the loss of Coutts will have more effect on us defensively than imagined. Hopefully, just a blip.

Nothing to do with Coutts not being their. Just poor defending.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We really missed our usual right wing backs today. A couple of individual errors too, lets hope that's a one off. The score still flattered Fulham. They were very lucky with at least 3 of those goals. Another day and that would have been a very different game. Let's not too concerned until a pattern emerges. Just a bad day at the office (hopefully).

When behind we're going to concede the odd silly goal because we push forward and go for it (and long may it continue!). Like I said, the scoreline and result flattered them.

They were better. That's really it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes, it's the striker Billy Sharps fault that we let 5 goals in tonight. Fuck all to do with the fact that Carter Vickers gift wrapped 2 of them and Basham was 7 miles away from his man for the 3rd.

Let's all fucking blame Billy Sharp, the forums favourite target.

It always looks like you defend him come what may but why his name should crop up as a reason for tonight's loss is utter stupidity and it's no wonder you go off on one. POOR DEFENDING is the only reason (not taking anything away fromFulhams performance)

 

[Sean Thornton]

Apart from the silly mistakes , I thought we were done by pace and paid the price for having no pace ourselves.

We were done by their forward players closing down our back three very quickly and cutting off our routes forward. Only when they started to tire did we play our normal attacking game.