Thank you John Lundstram

[103SecondsOfMagic]

I think you’re misunderstanding me. Or probably more likely my post wasn’t completely clear. I wondered if that narrative “set hold” because of how he left. Ie. To the point he’s getting booed today. I knew the narrative existed before he left.

Many supporters were calling for him to be dropped well before the Rangers move was mooted. It seemed to stem from the signing of Berge as competition, his purple patch very much ended around that time.

The goal we conceded at Leeds summed it up, many including myself wanted him out of the side from then on.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Many supporters were calling for him to be dropped well before the Rangers move was mooted. It seemed to stem from the signing of Berge as competition, his purple patch very much ended around that time.

Surely not a coincidence though that the team's purple patch ended around that time? Nearly every player looked well off it that second season, he got more hate than others because he wanted to leave and for other reasons that have already been mentioned.

 

[Bladesman]

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I suggest he go and watch the matches back of his last season with us.

 

[Weasel]

Many supporters were calling for him to be dropped well before the Rangers move was mooted. It seemed to stem from the signing of Berge as competition, his purple patch very much ended around that time.

The goal we conceded at Leeds summed it up, many including myself wanted him out of the side from then on.

He was phoning it in well before Leeds away. It was clear as day. What really got my goat nearly just as much was Wilders continued stubborness in playing him, yet he always maintained that he will drop any player whos not committed to the cause or who is feeling sorry for themselves. Wilder didnt help himself or us there as others started giving up when they saw that feckless get walking about carefree. He fell out with the club after the Berge signing, and he openly displayed his contempt for us consistently thereafter.

And the deluded idiot thinks he played for our greatest ever side...feck me sideways. Not even close, baboon eard.

 

[LudlamBlade]

“I was part of maybe the best Sheffield United team in history”

Anybody else read that in Donald Trump’s voice?

Johnald Trumpstram

 

[JohnDenver]

Before the Hull game I watched the Norwich v Ipswich derby in which Marcelino Nunez put in the most brain dead performance I’ve seen in years. Rattled by facing his former team he inexplicably wasn’t handed a red card for constant fouling (it was genuinely bizarre) and he had to be subbed off a few minutes after he’d come on.

I didn’t think I’d see such a dumbass performance again in years, but up steps Lundstram that very same afternoon….

Some footballers are just beyond mince.

 

[103SecondsOfMagic]

Surely not a coincidence though that the team's purple patch ended around that time? Nearly every player looked well off it that second season, he got more hate than others because he wanted to leave and for other reasons that have already been mentioned.

Well yes, the reasons already mentioned are why he got the extra hate, plenty of players looked off it but they'd usually at least break into a sweat

 

[Weasel]

Before the Hull game I watched the Norwich v Ipswich derby in which Marcelino Nunez put in the most brain dead performance I’ve seen in years. Rattled by facing his former team he inexplicably wasn’t handed a red card for constant fouling (it was genuinely bizarre) and he had to be subbed off a few minutes after he’d come on.

I didn’t think I’d see such a dumbass performance again in years, but up steps Lundstram that very same afternoon….

Some footballers are just beyond mince.

Well clearly Lumnycunt isnt the sharpest tool in the toolbox if he thinks Blades fans will swallow that pile of shite that he put out today post match. Apparently he always gave everything...and he will always love the club... funny way to show it John boy. Even when he signed for Rangers i noticed he went out of his way to mention all his old clubs (except one obviously) and how Liverpool and Glasgow where great footballing cities... never a squeak about the club that had just been paying him for 3 years. Gosh he really loves us..

He sums up everything about most modern professional footballers. Most ridiculously overpaid and thick as mince.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Liked him a lot before he spat his dummy out when Berge came in. His effort levels then reduced a lot unfortunately. Still, I didn't boo him. Just rolled my eyes. I also thought the clapping fir Mcburnie's goal was weird.

 

[Davalon]

Does he really have such a lack of self awareness.

Fans are fickle and can be OTT but as a collective we generally appreciate and acknowledge former players who gave their all.

There's a reason why JL isn't held in the same esteem as others. I don't know any of our fans personally who think it's harsh to criticise his attitude during that last PL season.

Don't expect him to be an expert on our history but ironic he sees himself as maybe being part of our greatest ever team

In years to come he won't even be talked about as being one of our top 50 midfielders.

 

[Champagneblade]

He completely stopped doing the things that made him look good. Defending, getting in the box, being tactically aware, keeping it sinple

Watch his effort against Palace and his effort against Wolves in that second season and you’ll see what folk mean.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Liked him a lot before he spat his dummy out when Berge came in. His effort levels then reduced a lot unfortunately. Still, I didn't boo him. Just rolled my eyes. I also thought the clapping fir Mcburnie's goal was weird.

I don't doubt Lundstrum 's contribution when he actually wanted to play but when he clearly downed tools many supporters turned against him. How many Blades players get booed while they're still playing for us?!"

John Egan by contract was an absolute warrior and part of that not so distant halcyon period when our club was on the rise and will always be welcome back at the Lane.

McBurnie divided opinion early on but eventually became loved especially by many on the kop. With him, I don't think we realised what we had lost until we had lost it. His ability to agitate defenders, hold the ball up front even often our best aerial defender! When you look at this season where we have ranged from relegation form to below average at best it took him 5 minutes to crack us open so not surprising he was applauded even if there was some irony to it.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Wilder defended him and said he was putting the effort in, as apparently shown by distance run stats. In any case the club should have done more to reassess the squad and signed more options in midfield that summer. The side had reached the end of a journey, it had peaked, and Lundstram wasn't one who should be relied on to stop the slide.

Regarding his contract; if negotiations didn't reach an agreement by the summer of 2020, you'd expect the club to have been able to sell him quite easily, with a big profit. Did we turn offers down, or did Lundstram refuse to go anywhere?

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Damn twitter and its word count. Couldn’t squeeze in the bit about completely downing tools because we’d got an international class midfielder for him to compete with.

I don’t understand how this “phoning it in” narrative set hold. I never ever saw it. He rode the crest of a wave with us and was very effective for a short period of time. Then he reverted to the mean - ie. not quite as good. I can only think fans are resentful that a player they didn’t rate overall chose a bigger offer instead of staying with us. How dare he not realise that actually he’s shit etc.

I'm leaning towards London's narrative more. I do remember him sulking a lot, not celebrating goals etc. but when he got opportunities that season over a struggling Berge, he usually did quite well.

I think, at the time, we were spoiled with some of the best players / characters we've ever seen and the whole club was riding a wave.
The Lundstram thing jarred a bit in those circumstances, but it'd argue Ndiaye treated us worse. Did McBurnie not go on a free? Dare I say, Baldock? Egan?

Maybe he dialled his effort levels down a bit, but he wasn't the only one that season and the reaction seems disproportionate.

 

[Weasel]

Wilder defended him and said he was putting the effort in, as apparently shown by distance run stats. In any case the club should have done more to reassess the squad and signed more options in midfield that summer. The side had reached the end of a journey, it had peaked, and Lundstram wasn't one who should be relied on to stop the slide.

Regarding his contract; if negotiations didn't reach an agreement by the summer of 2020, you'd expect the club to have been able to sell him quite easily, with a big profit. Did we turn offers down, or did Lundstram refuse to go anywhere?

Wilder can say what he likes about any player and the football club. They are his views and he is entutles to them. The same way that any of us who have watched or played football can also use our eyes and brains and also have our own views on something. I like CW but what he says i dont always agree with. Sometimes he hits the right note, other times he doesnt. Stats can be a guide but they are relative to the game itself. I could run from side to side in a game, pit in the 'miles' from a stats perspective, but if im not affecting thr areas of the pitch that i should be, in the moments that i should be, then its all immaterial. Example, i would have preffered JL to not have done so much gentle jogging and done more tearing back to get into a position to stop a dangerous cross or shot, when the opposition was breaking on us quickly. He knew exactly what he was doing that final season with us which in truth was basically sod all and using it as a being paid well for membership of a provate fitness club.

In answer to your Q, i seem to recall that the club tried to offer him a new deal in the pre season before his final year of his contract, no agreement reached, and no doubt his agent was busy thereafter with Rangers so that he was going through the motions making sure he wasnt injured so that he wouldnt lose his move. It was clearly all sorted well before his contract ran out, id say probably nearer the Christmas before.

 

[Guesty]

I'm leaning towards London's narrative more. I do remember him sulking a lot, not celebrating goals etc. but when he got opportunities that season over a struggling Berge, he usually did quite well.

I think, at the time, we were spoiled with some of the best players / characters we've ever seen and the whole club was riding a wave.
The Lundstram thing jarred a bit in those circumstances, but it'd argue Ndiaye treated us worse. Did McBurnie not go on a free? Dare I say, Baldock? Egan?

Maybe he dialled his effort levels down a bit, but he wasn't the only one that season and the reaction seems disproportionate.

Once again, nothing to do with him going on a free. It was the months of performances before that. Him leaving was a blessed relief.

 

[Stretch]

This gave me a chuckle

 

[LondonBlade89]

Once again, nothing to do with him going on a free. It was the months of performances before that. Him leaving was a blessed relief.

Replying to this as we had the chat last night. My main point (articulating better now it’s not Saturday night) is still that this level of hatred must have at least something to do how he left. Which he was within his rights to do. I accept the examples that people have put in here of things JL did that riled them. Maybe I’ve got less harsh on him over time. Maybe it’s the reception that he got yesterday. But I still think it’s all OTT. He’s an average player who had a purple patch before going back to looking out of his depth in the PL before leaving us for a better offer. He doesn’t deserve the grief he gets. IMO.

 

[wizadry]

The best thing to happen was when he left, he’s a right cunt of the highest order.

 

[CrookesBlade]

Replying to this as we had the chat last night. My main point (articulating better now it’s not Saturday night) is still that this level of hatred must have at least something to do how he left. Which he was within his rights to do. I accept the examples that people have put in here of things JL did that riled them. Maybe I’ve got less harsh on him over time. Maybe it’s the reception that he got yesterday. But I still think it’s all OTT. He’s an average player who had a purple patch before going back to looking out of his depth in the PL before leaving us for a better offer. He doesn’t deserve the grief he gets. IMO.

I think JL is trying to change the narrative on his time here…maybe a bit embarrassing that he came to the lane with 3 other former players and was the only one singled out for stick from the fans.

As I remember the timeline was: he barely played in the promotion season, emerged as a good fit for the flat 3 we reverted to, played out of his skin for 3 months, decided he’d hold out for a big wage increase or run his contract down.

Once it became apparent we were happy to replace him with Berge he became he started phoning in the performances, probably because he wanted to stay injury free for his “big move”.

I’ve no problem with players running their contracts down. It’s an entirely legitimate thing to do in their employment market.

However, if you aren’t going to play for the shirt don’t expect a free pass off the fans and don’t expect the person in the stand who has to forgo other things to pay for a match ticket to empathise with you re not endangering your big pay day.

No doubt he turned in some fantastic performances in 19/20 but he really comes across as an arsehole who believes his own hype which is probably why his move to Rangers fell flat and he certainly didn’t pull up any trees yesterday.

If I was a Hull fan I certainly wouldn’t have returned his over the top applause for a brain dead sending off that lost his team the game in a play off chase.

 

[bruce]

I did. Regularly.

I even remember watching Sky Sports Soccer Saturday one afternoon when we played Southampton and lost at BL (i was working down south) and even the reporter at the game who was impartial was disgusted with the lack of effort shown by Lunnycunt and was highly critical. Leeds away another example where he could hardly be arsed to move (remember seeing a United player tearing past him trying to stop a goal for them whilst he casually walked back and didnt put any challenge in - it was downright disgraceful). He completely downed tools for the vast majority of that season, and i can only assume you were either very very forgiving of his 'efforts' or the mists of time has dulled your memory of this.

There is a reason he is still intensely disliked by the vast majority of United fans. I wonder why that is.... maybe we just dont like people with the initials JL...or maybe its because we remember someone phoning it in and taking the piss out of us. Hes a charlatan and i dislike the chap (on a so called professional foorballer perspective), intensely. He can continue to go feck himself, the unprofessional (but still liked to be paid his very nice wages) twat. Some of us dont forget.

In our second game of that 2020-1 season we were away at Aston Villa and had a man sent off early on. However we stayed in the game and were awarded a penalty 10 minutes or so before half time. Lundstram took it and failed to score. We went onto lose 1-0.
We will never know, but had that penalty gone in I wouldn't have put it past us to hang on for a 1-0 win. If that had happened the whole season could well have panned out differently.
As I said, we'll never know and it is all supposition, but I felt at the time that, having gone a man down if we had got our noses in front it would have been a real boost. Instead we were somewhat deflated and that seemed to sum up that season. We ended up losing 17 games by a single goal margin, which shows we are talking about very fine margins.

 

[Weasel]

I think JL is trying to change the narrative on his time here…maybe a bit embarrassing that he came to the lane with 3 other former players and was the only one singled out for stick from the fans.

As I remember the timeline was: he barely played in the promotion season, emerged as a good fit for the flat 3 we reverted to, played out of his skin for 3 months, decided he’d hold out for a big wage increase or run his contract down.

Once it became apparent we were happy to replace him with Berge he became he started phoning in the performances, probably because he wanted to stay injury free for his “big move”.

I’ve no problem with players running their contracts down. It’s an entirely legitimate thing to do in their employment market.

However, if you aren’t going to play for the shirt don’t expect a free pass off the fans and don’t expect the person in the stand who has to forgo other things to pay for a match ticket to empathise with you re not endangering your big pay day.

No doubt he turned in some fantastic performances in 19/20 but he really comes across as an arsehole who believes his own hype which is probably why his move to Rangers fell flat and he certainly didn’t pull up any trees yesterday.

If I was a Hull fan I certainly wouldn’t have returned his over the top applause for a brain dead sending off that lost his team the game in a play off chase.

Exactly. No one that i know has any issue with JL running down his contract with us and then securing a lucrative move to Rangers. Well within his rights.

Where people (me included) have major issues with him is when he decided to gentle jog through games treating them as a fitness exercise, all whilst doing his utmost not to help the team in any material way, and not even bothering to run back to help teammates. When the effort stops hes basically putting two fingers up to the club and the fans who were paying his wages at that time. He completely disrespected the United fans that season. If he had put the effort in, the fans would have wished him all the best....like we did McBurnie yesterday. Theres the difference. One downed tools and couldnt be arsed, the other didnt, and still got his move when his contract run out. One is very much still liked by Blades fans, the other one is very much disliked. There is the reason.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Wilder can say what he likes about any player and the football club. They are his views and he is entutles to them. The same way that any of us who have watched or played football can also use our eyes and brains and also have our own views on something. I like CW but what he says i dont always agree with. Sometimes he hits the right note, other times he doesnt. Stats can be a guide but they are relative to the game itself. I could run from side to side in a game, pit in the 'miles' from a stats perspective, but if im not affecting thr areas of the pitch that i should be, in the moments that i should be, then its all immaterial. Example, i would have preffered JL to not have done so much gentle jogging and done more tearing back to get into a position to stop a dangerous cross or shot, when the opposition was breaking on us quickly. He knew exactly what he was doing that final season with us which in truth was basically sod all and using it as a being paid well for membership of a provate fitness club.

I absolutely agree any stats should be used in combination with what people see, with eyes and brains. I assume Wilder must also have looked a high intensity sprints, blocks, interceptions, tackles to back up his opinion when deciding to defend Lundstram at the time.


What you put are valid reasons for thinking Lundstram should have been dropped for players performing better; valid criticism of the club for not dealing with his contract situation; valid criticism of the club for not strengthening midfield; valid criticism of the manager who kept playing him.

But I find it a waste of time to hate, or strongly dislike, or abuse individual players based on poor form and questionable body language, let alone past players several years after. My main memory of him is of a player made the most of his talent and came back ultra-prepared for the first Premier League season, surprising everybody with his contribution which helped us to a great season.

I think Lundstram stepped on McGuinness' leg on purpose yesterday, and he should accept some flack for that, and he definitely ruined the day for his team with that hot-headed tackle on Brooks.

 

[Bladesman]

I absolutely agree any stats should be used in combination with what people see, with eyes and brains. I assume Wilder must also have looked a high intensity sprints, blocks, interceptions, tackles to back up his opinion when deciding to defend Lundstram at the time.


What you put are valid reasons for thinking Lundstram should have been dropped for players performing better; valid criticism of the club for not dealing with his contract situation; valid criticism of the club for not strengthening midfield; valid criticism of the manager who kept playing him.

But I find it a waste of time to hate, or strongly dislike, or abuse individual players based on poor form and questionable body language, let alone past players several years after. My main memory of him is of a player made the most of his talent and came back ultra-prepared for the first Premier League season, surprising everybody with his contribution which helped us to a great season.

I think Lundstram stepped on McGuinness' leg on purpose yesterday, and he should accept some flack for that, and he definitely ruined the day for his team with that hot-headed tackle on Brooks.

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Surprised McGuinness didn't smack him for that alone.

John deserves the shit he got from our fans yesterday and more just based on that photo. The mans a full weight cunt and knew what he was doing there.

Hull fans can get fucked regarding being hard done to by the ref.

 

[Wards]

I know he was on a relative pittance compared to some players in the team, and he felt he deserved a pay rise after that good few months. Rightly or wrongly we chose not to meet his demands and went and signed Berge which he probably felt as being retaliatory. He also saw a number of his team mates be rewarded with improved deals.

I don't care much for him as I felt he did rein it in a fair bit during that final season. I can't say I hate him or anything but I certainly don't feel any love towards him. Just another ex player.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Liked him a lot before he spat his dummy out when Berge came in. His effort levels then reduced a lot unfortunately. Still, I didn't boo him. Just rolled my eyes. I also thought the clapping fir Mcburnie's goal was weird.

More than weird.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

This gave me a chuckle

Not one to defend the precious scouse prick, but if that's a booking, the game has proper gone bonkers.....

 

[Bladesman]

I know he was on a relative pittance compared to some players in the team, and he felt he deserved a pay rise after that good few months. Rightly or wrongly we chose not to meet his demands and went and signed Berge which he probably felt as being retaliatory. He also saw a number of his team mates be rewarded with improved deals.

I don't care much for him as I felt he did rein it in a fair bit during that final season. I can't say I hate him or anything but I certainly don't feel any love towards him. Just another ex player.

Yeah that's the reaction to have. I want a pay rise based on 3 months worth of football and then throw my dummy out because we signed someone else.

That Berge bullshit is just bullshit and shows him in an even more pathetic light if it was true.

 

[Wards]

Yeah that's the reaction to have. I want a pay rise based on 3 months worth of football and then throw my dummy out because we signed someone else.

That Berge bullshit is just bullshit and shows him in an even more pathetic light if it was true.

I do tend to agree but a young man probably with an agent chirping in his ear looking to make a few quid...not unreasonable to believe he got a bit carried away a little bit too.

 

[Bladesman]

I do tend to agree but a young man probably with an agent chirping in his ear looking to make a few quid...not unreasonable to believe he got a bit carried away a little bit too.

Despite all that it didn't stop Wilder activating the 1 year extension on his deal to try to keep him. Kept playing him when he had clearly checked out.

It was the first sign of weakness in Wilder's first spell pandering to Lunny.