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Seriously though, we’ve looked a worse team for having Berge from the moment he signed. He’s had a year to bed in - it’s not really working, and I’m not even sure we know his best position. I’m not saying drop him, but how he gets in ahead of Lundstram is beyond me. Doesn’t matter who will or won’t be here next season, just pick a good team with some life in it and put in at least a half decent showing.
 



bongleblade said:
Egan-Bash-Ampadu
Burke-Berge-Fleck-Stevens
Didzy-Mousset-McBurnie

3-4-3 with the idea that Burke/Stevens are defensive wingers, pressing from the front while helping in tracking back in defence too

Mousset has two deep lying forwards either side to stretch Man Utd’s defence and link midfield

Berge and Fleck box to box and support in transition on the wings. In attack phase overlap the deep lying forwards and present as options in the box

The outer CB’s cover wide areas for the wingers going forward, Bash is used as a Libero, linking defence and midfield and Berge helps defend by dropping to DM where required too
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So you play fm huh xD, Burke isn't going to be the guy you can rely on for defense lol.

As for the rest of it, mcburnie has a poor left foot and you put the closest we have to a either footed deep lying forward on the right, I would swap mcburnie for brewster or sharp who has a left foot and is not injured.

Put Egan back in the middle he is our best defender atm and that is the lonely position when your 3 cb's go wide that has to defend counters
 
No idea now. No combination seems to be able to stop the rot, or even tries to. The line up will probably involve a chronic lack of pace though.
 
Ramsdale
Baldock Bash Egan Robinson Stevens
Lunny (Osborn / Berge / Norwood) Fleck
Brewster/ Mousset McGoldrick (McBurnie if fit)

Time to stop fucking about and play strongest team, with people in the right positions. (None of this Jags Ampadu nonsense). Play a left footed centre half. The only curve ball would be Osborn in the DCM role - lot of energy to close down, likes a tackle, can pass the ball 15 yards to better players. Plus he could disrupt Fernandes (hopefully!)
Theyre going to have more of the ball so we need energy on the pitch and a bit of pace to stretch them and be a threat on the counter.

2-1 Blades
 
Which players are we picking for ritual humiliation this week then?

As revolution said it is more or less 5 at the back.

We will need people that can run about a lot. We may even have single digits possession at some point.

I have 2 lines of thought.

1. We did well last time so pick as near to the same team as possible. Nearest I can get is:

Ramsdale
Basham Egan Jagielka
Baldock Lundstram Norwood Fleck Stevens
McGoldrick
Mousset

For any other opposition I'd be inclined to take a centre back out (until JOC returns) and put Brewster next to Mousset with McGoldrick in behind. Not sure if this is really the game for that though.

2. Alternatively, try to make it extremely difficult for them and try to attack them using Burke's pace, not as an isolated front man but in his correct position which is on the wing. You could include Robinson for Jags though I don't like his lunging tackles which way pen all day long.

As McBurnie is probably out McGoldrick gets that task as I think he is more likely to be able to retain possession with his back to goal than either Mousset or Brewster. He's also played that role for ROI.

Ramsdale
Baldock Basham Egan Jagielka Stevens
Burke Lundstram Fleck Osborn
McGoldrick
 
I'm on Ref watch,got these clowns again :mad:

Sheffield United FC (First Team) v Manchester United FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Oliver, Michael
Assistant Referee: Burt, Stuart
Assistant Referee: Bennett, Simon
Fourth Official: Jones, Robert
Video Assistant Referee: Tierney, Paul
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Lennard, Harry
 
I normally have a decent feeling on our starting XI for the weekend but it feels like we're fast running out of options. Arguably the most crucial position in our entire team - the central midfield anchor - doesn't appear as though it has anyone who can play it particularly well right now with everyone else falling around them. Berge isn't ready for the responsibility (and might never have the capability), Norwood is getting overrun in midfield (particularly due to the wing backs being pinned back as per Bergen Blade) and Ampadu, sadly, doesn't look like the answer to our prayers either.

With that in mind, I think we need a change up. The central midfield position has been one of the keys to our success under Wilder. We all remember how good we looked playing with Paul Coutts. We all remember how sh*t we looked in the post-Coutts and pre-Norwood era. It feels like we're back in that period again, except the opposition is miles better and the rest of our team have retreated into their shells. The upshot is defeat after defeat.

For me, the answer is a mix / double-pivot of Norwood and Berge. Norwood is so crucial to us playing good football with the ball on the floor, we need someone beside him to stop us from being overrun. That'll also allow Berge to concentrate on getting forward on the ball.

In front of them, stick Burke on the right hand side to create all sorts of trouble. You could probably play Lundstram there if you wanted to be a bit more compact. But I feel the ball would go wide to Lundstram and then immediately come back into the middle. Burke will happily go with it. Osborn on the left because he'll work hard and his experience of playing LWB with us will mean he won't be afraid to take someone on the outside. Didsy is in the 10 role, either Mousset or Brewster up top.

Essentially the set-up will often work as a 4-1-4-1. Norwood will never get forward and instead sit in front of the defence. Stevens and Baldock should be getting forward to support over-loads.

This is sort of a hybrid what I think we should do and what Wilder could do. I think I'm right in saying Wilder had previously been a fan of the 4-2-3-1. It might be one he looks at again.

Ramsdale,
Baldock, Egan, Ampadu, Stevens
Berge, Norwood
Burke McGoldrick Osborn
Mousset/Brewster
 
It won’t make much difference who plays up front unless the midfield is changed, they won’t see anything of the ball. Give Man U’s midfield time to play and they will run rings around us, so bring energy and application back into midfield, forget ability. neither Brewster nor Mousset are likely to last a full game, so Burke as the impact sub and McBurnie or Sharp for the other.

Ramsdale
Baldock Basham Egan Stevens
Lundstram (Berge or McGoldrick) Fleck Osborn
Brewster Mousset​
 
Just drop 3-5-2 ASAP. Teams have worked us out and even we don’t know how to play it anymore. We don’t have any wingers, but I believe Burke/ Brewster have played out there before so try them with McBurnie or McGoldrick

(I don’t think McGoldrick can do a job on his own but I think he’s more capable that sharp on his own in the middle)
 
Ramsdale
Baldock, Bash, Egan, Ampadu, Stevens
Lunny, Berge, Osborn
McGoldrick, Burke


McGoldrick and Lunny have to play - we're a better side when they;re in the starting 11.
Fleck shouldn't start - he's been a 5/10 at best for 6 months now and offers nothing currently.
McBurnie shouldn't start - despite his danger in the air, when he plays we lump it forward for too much.

I wouldn't be opposed to trying something different and going with the below. It at least gives us balance, protection for the back 2 and a bit of energy out wide.

Ramsdale
Baldock, Bash, Egan, Stevens
Lunny, Berge, Ampadu, Osborn
McGoldrick, Burke
 
They will probably play Hendo to troll us and I can't see us beating him
 
------Mousset -- Brewster ------
------------ McGoldrick --------------
------ Fleck ----------- Berge --------
Stevens ------------------------ Bogle
----- Ampadu Egan Basham ----
--------------- Rammers ---------------

3412 with Fleck and Berge sitting in. We look terrible just sitting back and defending so let's play some young pacy skillful players and have a go at these. At least if we hoof it up we might have some players around to chase it
 



BornOnShorehamStreet said:
And exactly how many 2v1 opportunities do you think they'll get?

Come to think of it, how ,many opportunities full stop?

:(
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2 very quick strikers are likely to get over the top of the defense balls to run onto at a minimum if man utd play a high line which they probably will vs us
 
We should go back to what we did best. Play out from the back with the ball on the ground. No better example of that was the 70 minutes we played against Newton Heath last year when we were 2-0 up. Moore was in the net then and we have a better keeper in Ramsdale now. Jack was playing but Egan wasn't so whilst the balance on the left is affected we bring another capable defender in.

Ramsdale
Baldock Basham Egan Jags Stevens
Lundstram Norwood Fleck
Mcgoldrick
Mousett

The manager shows no sign of changing the system so lets go with those who were the most effective in that formation. We have a game on Sunday at mid day down in Brighton after an 8 p.m match on a Thursday night so CW needs to rest some players with that in mind.
 
Ramsdale
Baldock Bash Egan Enda
Bogle Lunny Fleck Burke
Didzy
Moose

Gonna need legs against Man Utd
 
Despite being a big believer in the lads and management, even I'm starting to wonder about a formation change being appropriate now. As someone else said above... We're not playing 352 well anymore. Do think a braver approach could work for us, e.g. 41212 (diamond), and crucially help us get up the pitch.

CWAK will be considering this, of course. But I'll continue to respect whatever they think is best.
 
Addison said:
We should go back to what we did best. Play out from the back with the ball on the ground. No better example of that was the 70 minutes we played against Newton Heath last year when we were 2-0 up. Moore was in the net then and we have a better keeper in Ramsdale now. Jack was playing but Egan wasn't so whilst the balance on the left is affected we bring another capable defender in.

RBaldock Basham Egan Jags Stevens
Lundstram Norwood Fleck
Mcgoldrick
Mousett

The manager shows no sign of changing the system so lets go with those who were the most effective in that formation. We have a game on Sunday at mid day down in Brighton after an 8 p.m match on a Thursday night so CW needs to rest some players with that in mind.
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What reflects in many of the team selections on this thread is our poor recruitment over the last 2 transfer windows. For instance your team doesnt have one outfield player from purchased in the last two windows.

We need players who are athletes, have pace and good technical skills in all areas of the pitch but in particular in midfield. To not address this is a failure of Wilder and whoever is in charge if recruitment (Bettis ?) The fact that many fans team selections include Lunny, Mcgoldrick, Basham, Norwood and so on shows we have looked to fill the squad out rather than replace first team players.

My other concern is that, no matter how good fans think Wilder is the best manager we could have, are the players on longer believing in what he tells them. Why else would we go from attacking football, good passing and movement to a static long ball game in the hope we may create a chance. If Wilder cannot change this mentality( either from him.or the players) we won't improve

For me the game on Thursday is an opportunity. I hope he selects players with pace, power and movement in midfield and also up front because we know how slow on the turn Maguire can be.

It might mean he plays with one up front ,packs out midfield and tries to break from there. Maybe a 5-4-1 or 5-1-3-1.
 
It doesn't matter who is picked, the result will be the same. Wilder's head has gone.
 
If we were brave....

Ramsdale

Baldock, Bash, Egan, Enda
Berge, Ampadu, Fleck
Didzy
Brewster, Moose
 
I tell you what, why don't we put all the names in hat.

First one out goes in goal. etc.

Sorted.
 
Ramsdale
Baldock - Bash - Egan - Robinson - Osborn
Berge - Ampadu - Lundstram
Burke - McBurnie/Moose or if neither fit to start Brewster

approach it same way as we did Liverpool.
 
COYB1988 said:
So you play fm huh xD, Burke isn't going to be the guy you can rely on for defense lol.

As for the rest of it, mcburnie has a poor left foot and you put the closest we have to a either footed deep lying forward on the right, I would swap mcburnie for brewster or sharp who has a left foot and is not injured.

Put Egan back in the middle he is our best defender atm and that is the lonely position when your 3 cb's go wide that has to defend counters
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To be fair with Burke, he has the pace and the engine to track back and he has been brilliant at pressing the opposition, he's not a great defender but i think he has the physical aspect sorted... IMO the best we've seen McB is as false 9, can play him on the right if it would help.

Anyway, my post was more about building a tactic on our current strengths/weaknesses rather than trying to poorly imitate last years success as it appears we've tried to do so far this season.

We have a striker heavy squad, we possess decent box to box types, play a back 3 and we can't score for toffee = 3-4-3
 



If hes persistent on playing 3-5-2 my team would be.

Rams
Baldock-Egan-Jags
Bogle-Berge-Bash-Lunny-Osborn
Mousst/Burke- Brewster

Let Bash sit in defensive midfield. Bogle will give us more attacking quality whilst baldock looks comfortable defending more than attacking
 
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