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[stringer]

I didn't say I was happy with Hussey or Done, I basically saying at your team including DCL is bullshit. Why did you choose Long over Moore when Moore was at the club? Basham over Coutts in midfield?

The team that ended the season was at the club when DCL was still there, we were short one player, Lafferty. How can you say that selling DCL funded the team when we were only one player short?

Not EEL? Who helped get the season back on track?

 

[YES Blade]

Not EEL? Who helped get the season back on track?

Why can't we show some ambition and keep DCL whilst signing Lafferty and EEL?

 

[stringer]

Why can't we show some ambition and keep DCL whilst signing Lafferty and EEL?

Because there isn't an endless pot of money, so one paid for the other(s). Do you feel the same about Slew and Mellis?

 

[Ricky]

Selling DCL seemed like an ill thought out, hasty and unnecessary decision that didn't affect any of the business we did.

The transfer budget plus the Adams fee should've been enough to cover the signings we made. We didn't spend a fortune.

Selling DCL would've been acceptable if we went and reinvested it on another attacking player with potential like Omar Bogle but we didn't.

 

[YES Blade]

Because there isn't an endless pot of money, so one paid for the other(s). Do you feel the same about Slew and Mellis?

Slew and Mellis worked out for us, Walker didn't.

Say we kept Mellis (hypothetical as he was out of contract) and Slew for an extra year or 2, we'd have lost out on £2m, had we kept Walker for another year or 2, his fee could have easily gone to £6m from £3m.

So we'd have been £1m better off by taking a gamble on young players rather than cashing in early. Also with Walker being as good as he is, who's to say we couldn't have pushed the fee up to £10m+ with add ons.

 

[B14Nco]

Why can't we show some ambition and keep DCL whilst signing Lafferty and EEL?

Why do people rant on about the above being ambitious?

Without hindsight It's risky and stupid not ambitious. As said above did we lack ambition by selling Slew? No because he did fuck all. Or where did ambition get us by not cashing in on Long?

God help us if we lose a couple of games on the bounce next year when people are digging and digging trying to find something to complain about based on things that contributed to our best season in years...

 

[YES Blade]

Why do people rant on about the above being ambitious?

Without hindsight It's risky and stupid not ambitious. As said above did we lack ambition by selling Slew? No because he did fuck all. Or where did ambition get us by not cashing in on Long?

God help us if we lose a couple of games on the bounce next year when people are digging and digging trying to find something to complain about based on things that contributed to our best season in years...

I'm talking about a policy change, where we may lose some (like keeping Slew) but win big (like keeping Walker).

If we sell 5 young players for £1m, that's £5m in the bank. If we keep those 5 players for an extra season or 2 and 4 turn out to be crap and we get nothing for them, but 1 turns into an England international standard player and we get £10m to £15m for him which was the best policy?

 

[B14Nco]

Walker was a completely different situation... he was blatently good enough and was class from day 1 and should've got more for him = mistake... however I'm still not sure (regardless of rumours) if we'd have been able to stop him moving.

I'm talking about a policy change, where we may lose some (like keeping Slew) but win big (like keeping Walker).

If we sell 5 young players for £1m, that's £5m in the bank. If we keep those 5 players for an extra season or 2 and 4 turn out to be crap and we get nothing for them, but 1 turns into an England international standard player and we get £10m to £15m for him which was the best policy?

Its never as clear cut as that.

The original argument was about as a league 1 club we should've kept DCL as a back up squad player on the off chance he comes good.

A) league 1 clubs will NEVER keep players that prem teams sniff around. I can't think of one example of where any team has managed to do so.
B) couple this with the fact that he was a fringe player... was it not better to cash in secure promotion so we get better money for the next youngster we produce? Instead of bumming around lg 1 and not only losing our best youngsters but also our best senior players for peanuts?

Which is the best policy? Based on the fact one is hypothetical and one is reality... I'd say what we've done is probably the right thing?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I'm talking about a policy change, where we may lose some (like keeping Slew) but win big (like keeping Walker).

If we sell 5 young players for £1m, that's £5m in the bank. If we keep those 5 players for an extra season or 2 and 4 turn out to be crap and we get nothing for them, but 1 turns into an England international standard player and we get £10m to £15m for him which was the best policy?

The selling 5 at £1 million.your way we are keeping 4 crap players and having to pay their wages for 2 seasons,with no return

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Walker was a completely different situation... he was blatently good enough and was class from day 1 and should've got more for him = mistake... however I'm still not sure (regardless of rumours) if we'd have been able to stop him moving... but agree


Its never as clear cut as that.

The original argument was about as a league 1 club we should've kept DCL as a back up squad player on the off chance he comes good.

A) league 1 clubs will NEVER keep players that prem teams sniff around. I can't think of one example of where any team has managed to do.
B) couple this with the fact that he was a fringe player... was it not better to cash in secure promotion so we get better money for the next youngster we produce? Instead of bumming around lg 1 and not only losing our best youngsters but also our best senior players for peanuts?

Which is the best policy? Based on the fact one is hypocritical and one is reality... I'd say what we've done is probably the right thing?

As proven by the final league table,winning the league by 14 points,that would not have been possible with Done or Hussey at left wing back,EEL would not have contributed those vital goals,Lafferty would not have given us balance down the left,but we would have had a young lad not good enough for our promotion challenge waiting in the wings.

Well done Chris,you called it correct

 

[YES Blade]

A) league 1 clubs will NEVER keep players that prem teams sniff around. I can't think of one example of where any team has managed to do so.

So say Everton came in with £250k and said that's their final offer, would you have still taken it?

 

[YES Blade]

As proven by the final league table,winning the league by 14 points,that would not have been possible with Done or Hussey at left wing back,EEL would not have contributed those vital goals,Lafferty would not have given us balance down the left,but we would have had a young lad not good enough for our promotion challenge waiting in the wings.

Well done Chris,you called it correct

You have seen the accounts to back up those comments? I haven't so can't make such bold statements.

Who's to say that we couldn't have signed every player we did whilst keeping DCL?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

So say Everton came in with £250k and said that's their final offer, would you have still taken it?

Cast your mind back,Chris said Everton have matched our valuation of the player,so the answer to your question is no,because 250k would not have got us the players had in mind with the DCL money

 

[B14Nco]

So say Everton came in with £250k and said that's their final offer, would you have still taken it?

If as manager and the club that was my valuation for him yes.

But it wasn't. It was nearer 1.5mill. We turned down their opening offer we got what we thought he was worth.

What's your point?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

You have seen the accounts to back up those comments? I haven't so can't make such bold statements.

Who's to say that we couldn't have signed every player we did whilst keeping DCL?

Why do i need to see the accounts,that is what happened,DCL left,EEL and Lafferty arrived

 

[YES Blade]

If as manager and the club that was my valuation for him yes.

But it wasn't. It was nearer 1.5mill. We turned down their opening offer we got what we thought he was worth.

What's your point?

That you can say no to a Premier League club, if they didn't meet our valution DCL would have stayed last season.

My big issue isn't that we sold DCL, it's that we don't learn the lessons from the Walker sale. I've no problem with young players leaving if the money is too good to turn down, £1.5m isn't too good to turn down. It was a decent fee 20 years ago, but not today. It's as if our board aren't aware of the huge Premier League TV deal.

 

[YES Blade]

Why do i need to see the accounts,that is what happened,DCL left,EEL and Lafferty arrived

How do you know we didn't make a £1.5m profit after all the transfers and wages were paid?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

How do y didn't make a £1.5m profit after all the transfers and wages were paid?

Same as you,i do not,what we do know and can both agree on is that we sold DCL,we brought players in,we won the league by 14 points,giving us one of the best seasons for a very long time

 

[YES Blade]

Same as you,i do not,what we do know and can both agree on is that we sold DCL,we brought players in,we won the league by 14 points,giving us one of the best seasons for a very long time

Agreed, I just don't think it's as cut and dried as selling DCL = promotion vs keeping DCL = no promotion.

It's more a general point that selling your most promising young players for low transfer fees isn't the right approach in my opinion.

 

[Tezza1889]

The thing is, would Calvert Lewis have scored at the same rate as sharp ? If so then we could have asked for 10mill for him and possibly got 8mill with a clause or two after he fired us to promotion (as sharp did) but I like a few others didn't see anything to suggest that, it's a good deal then but now looks poor as the hype machine goes into overdrive following events of last weekend.

He wouldn't have been good enough to lead our line last season and that's the truth, we maybe wouldn't have had the funds for Moore and the loan for EEL, nobody knows the truth, maybe we got promoted with the help of DCL in the end.. I'm more worried about the lads coming through now, theres as few I think who are a lot better and keeping hold of them will be very tough if they don't start pulling on a first team shirt soon... real headache for wilder and knill..