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sonofbruce said:
What's the point in signing Doyle if you have no intention to play him? If he can't start ahead of Fleck, given Fleck's performances over the last two and a half seasons, then send him back to Man City now.

I don't agree with signing players for cover over the summer. You're supposed to be strengthening your team, not your squad. Sign players to strengthen the squad as back up in January. This is why our "greatest ever summer transfer window" was garbage. Other than Ramsdale and Brewster we largely signed back up players. When the first team started underperforming we had inferior players to call on.
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I see Doyle as taking Fleck's position, and being the first back-up for Norwood. I described him as cover for the AM role which Berge/MGW played. We'll see though.
 



Osula looked very promising in his few cameo appearances last season. He looks even better, as does Jebbison, in this pre-season. Brewster will be on fire. Plus Billy when fit, and McBurnie ditto. We are fine for strikers. Get creative midfielders eg Khedra in and we’ll be reyt.
 
robbiez666 said:
Given that Sharp and McBurnie are both injured with no firm return dates, we'll likely start the season with:

Ndiaye, Brewster, Jebbo and Osula.

I assume we'd want at least one of the younger lads to go out on loan (probably Osula)

Brewster will need time to prove his fitness and McBurnie hasn't been fully fit for a fair whack as well.

It makes sense, to me anyway, to sign a striker on loan for 6 months. No point getting a longer loan or signing anyone permanently as we don't want to be in a situation with 6 fit strikers.

We can't guarantee them a starting berth, so likely to be a punt from an EPL team.
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If we play 1 up front with 2 number 10s we might be OK until the other 2 are fit e.g. Brewster up front with Ndiaye and Sander backing him up . Never seen Doyle play so I don't know if he can play further forward
 
Blade58 said:
You tend to make a lot of statements Billy that suggest you are itk in some capacity, as you make them as if 'fact'
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I’m not ITK, I know some people at the club but nothing that gives me a private eye into transfers. Just common sense and making sure it all adds up. I don’t see how and why we bring in a 6th striker to fight for 1 position
 
SufcBilly said:
I’m not ITK, I know some people at the club but nothing that gives me a private eye into transfers. Just common sense and making sure it all adds up. I don’t see how and why we bring in a 6th striker to fight for 1 position
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because bringing in a Grabban type player as 3rd/4th choice and sending Osula &/or Jebbo on loan is actually much more ideal, 1. for our depth, and 2. for their development
 
Sheffsteel said:
I can see McBurnie doing a Ched Evans on us.

No…not the court case controversy.
I mean….in the final year of his contract it would be so typical if McBurnue finds his superb Swansea form and looks a star player at Championship level.

Ched came with a big reputation but was so underwhelming most of the time then in his final year he was brilliant and far too good for league 1.

McBurnie had been such an underwhelming signing to date but can he ever rediscover his top form? Our fans would then be pleading with the board to offer him a big contract because he’s so good.
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He’s got more chance of being sent down than he has of coming good.
 
Mesut Özil's Lawnmower said:
because bringing in a Grabban type player as 3rd/4th choice and sending Osula &/or Jebbo on loan is actually much more ideal, 1. for our depth, and 2. for their development
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I get the point you’re making, the concern being 2 fold. 1. Not enough teams worth sending them too, Barnsley a strong shout. 2. All the strikers are going to be needed till we have both Sharp and McBurnie back which could end up being post august till fully back and they are then here anyway. I really don’t want Grabban, I’d rather risk Jebbo and Osula all season than Grabban
 
Jebbison and Osula are going to be stars, would love both to stay as they are going to both be good enough for the championship this season, but not sure on the game time with us with Brewster, Ndiaye ahead of them. So it’s a loan deal for at least one of them, I think we will keep one and he will play a big part. One things for sure neither should be sold as we have some real talent on our hands.
 
We can win the "race" to sign a League One striker that doesn't score League One goals
 
Facts- two kids with very little experience of mens football never mind this division cannot be expected to be anything other than bench fillers.
Neither are wonderkids.

To get them there they need to play, every week, and learn their trade. The best striker in championship history went out to Scunthorpe as an example, and I wouldn’t say either are in a trajectory to be more successful than him at this stage.

So they BOTH need to be out on loan.

That leaves Billy/McB- one is so old now we have to expect him to play a bit part. The other has been a bit part for 2 years and is missing another pre season meaning he again will be no use to us.
Brewster- Hard to say where he may go, stay fit and injury free he may be the one to get 15plus goals for us. On the other hand he’s been out of it for 2 years as well so may also be lucky to start 15 games.

So on the basis of all that….yes, we need a striker in. If we end up with 4 fit strikers all competing by January then great…plus 2 kids playing every week and scoring at lower league…we will have had a very good season by next May
 



Mesut Özil's Lawnmower said:
because bringing in a Grabban type player as 3rd/4th choice and sending Osula &/or Jebbo on loan is actually much more ideal, 1. for our depth, and 2. for their development
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Why on earth would Grabban come as 3rd or 4th choice?
 
SufcBilly said:
I get the point you’re making, the concern being 2 fold. 1. Not enough teams worth sending them too, Barnsley a strong shout. 2. All the strikers are going to be needed till we have both Sharp and McBurnie back which could end up being post august till fully back and they are then here anyway. I really don’t want Grabban, I’d rather risk Jebbo and Osula all season than Grabban
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I don’t think the team matters, fully believe both could get close to 20 in L1, would actually be quite exciting to see them both there in competition with each other

I don’t get the Grabban hate tbf, he has a really good Championship record, 12 league goals for Forest last season a good return too - he’d likely be 3rd or 4th choice behind Sharp and potentially McBurnie too, great value for that spot in my opinion
 
S64 Blade said:
Physical rehab, or criminal rehabilitation?

Joking aside, there is a (albeit small) risk that McBurnie and Brewster could be sentenced for the Forest incident. Obviously it’s utter nonsense, but it’d be just our luck for something like that to happen.
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I don't think their liberty is in doubt. They were charged with common assault which as the bottom of the ladder. If guilty, I think they would have a fairly good mitigation in view of the mayhem on the pitch at the time and the assault on Sharp had just happened. McBurnie's past won't help him of course, but a bit like Gary Madine, needs to keep his aggression, and I mean lawful, to the football pitch.
 
SufcBilly said:
I’m not ITK, I know some people at the club but nothing that gives me a private eye into transfers. Just common sense and making sure it all adds up. I don’t see how and why we bring in a 6th striker to fight for 1 position
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Fair enough Billy, but then they are your opinions. So, in effect, you don’t actually know whether Hecky is eyeing up a striker or not?

I see it a little differently.

McBurnie not paying his way in front of goal. Not all his own fault. Stop start season. Injuries, as well as firing blanks when he’s had chances

I think one of Jebbo/Osula to go out on loan. Btw, it’s my belief both could have a very good future in the game…………… ………eventually

Billy not even training yet

That for me leaves at least a 3/6 month loan if the right player becomes available

Also, Hecky has said on more than one occasion that even if they get their quota in, if another player becomes available and Hecky fancies it and PA agrees, then they may still be open to trying to bring that player in as well. No reason why that couldn’t be a striker.

Obviously, I could be spouting complete bollox. Just my opinion.
 
Grabban would be first choice until such a time as Sharp was fully fit.
McBurnie is nowhere near it and Brewster hasn't proven anything.
The other two are kids and need games somewhere. At best, you'd keep one of them around as an option off the bench.
Personally, I think Osula has more game changing potential off the bench so he'd be the one I'd look to keep.

Grabban was injured for large portions of last season and still bagged 12 goals.
He was their club captain too and his reputation amongst Forest fans is excellent.
He'd definitely be a useful addition to the squad if we could keep him fit.
 
Mesut Özil's Lawnmower said:
I don’t know mate, ask him? Maybe because he’s 34 and we can offer him best wages
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Who is this we? Best wages? You are joking, right?

He's the Forest captain and main striker last season. He's on more money than any of our players. Just got promoted. Yet going to drop down a league to be Billy Sharp's boot boy?
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Grabban would be first choice until such a time as Sharp was fully fit.
McBurnie is nowhere near it and Brewster hasn't proven anything.
The other two are kids and need games somewhere. At best, you'd keep one of them around as an option off the bench.
Personally, I think Osula has more game changing potential off the bench so he'd be the one I'd look to keep.

Grabban was injured for large portions of last season and still bagged 12 goals.
He was their club captain too and his reputation amongst Forest fans is excellent.
He'd definitely be a useful addition to the squad if we could keep him fit.
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If Grabban is the starting striker when the season kicks off I’m sending my season ticket back.
 
Mesut Özil's Lawnmower said:
Yes we’re quite obviously towards the very top end of that spectrum
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could you explain how you come to this 'quite obvious' conclusion when it has been publicly stated that on relegation our players took a substantial wage drop and the Board are determined to bring down the wage bill?
 
Honestly, with the cover we need at both AM and ST, I don't know why we didn't just give Didzy another year. I can't see us getting anyone better than him that we can bring in to be a backup
 



robbiez666 said:
could you explain how you come to this 'quite obvious' conclusion when it has been publicly stated that on relegation our players took a substantial wage drop and the Board are determined to bring down the wage bill?
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Obviously you bring the wage bill down following relegation, but we can still afford to pay higher wages than 90% of the league, and just because we can’t pay PL wages doesn’t mean we can’t offer better wages than the majority of the Championship since, you know, we were actually in the Prem just over a year ago

We’ve also removed an absolute tonne of dross from our wage bill this past season which frees up that money

Hence why we were Tom Lawrence’s favoured Championship destination before Rangers made an offer
 
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