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How effectively do teams actually scout us ? Reading going 3 at the back today suggested they knew what was coming, but they were clearly as unprepared as they could have been for what hit them in the first half. They played almost exactly like Derby did (or didn't) several weeks ago, and (again) were yet another side who looked utterly perplexed on the couple of occasions that JoC appeared out of nowhere on the left side of their box. How on earth do we keep surprising teams like this, a quarter of a season in ?

One potential warning sign. Last 15 I thought we looked tired, in the same way that Liverpool did last season. Can we keep up this kind of intensity ? Everything crossed. Today, first half, yet again, we were absolutely awesome.
 



I’m sure each club we’ve played recognises our strengths and gives us respect. I cant see any team not scouting the opposition at this level, even if it were against lower league opposition in a cup game or friendly.

We’re just a very good team, simple as.

That said we’re surprising me if I’m honest.. but long may it last.
 
2nd half was a worry. Couldn’t put my finger on it, maybe they just thought they’d done enough to win the game?

On a side note where the hell did 5 MINS injury time come from?

5 subs would have contributed ?

Not too worried about second half as a whole. All we had to do was make it scrappy, break it up and sit in. Which we did for the first 30 mins or so. But we definitely need to work at closing games out. It's against our instincts at the moment, and we could be much better at it than we are.

BUT ... look at what Reading achieved last year. First half we were close to perfection today.
 
I never worried in the last 15
Jamal only had to catch 2 crosses yet their keeper made 2 last ditch saves the only thing worrying was some fans
If Clarke had buried the break away would have been a slightly more realistic score
We still created more chances in the last 15 than they did

First 45 was reminiscent of going to watch Barcelona
 
2nd half was a worry. Couldn’t put my finger on it, maybe they just thought they’d done enough to win the game?

On a side note where the hell did 5 MINS injury time come from?

2.5 of that would have just been substitutions alone. There were quite a few stoppages for free-kicks second half (mostly ones we won) and a stoppage to treat Duffy (where the ref forgot to ask him to leave the field). There was a little bit of time-wasting that the ref probably also picked up on. I wasn’t surprised to see 5 come up.
 
Our formation and stye is very difficult to defend against when we get it right, most sides who play the three centre back formation the three centre backs tend to stay back when the Wing back goes up, but ours go with them and one of the central midfielder goes that way as well and Duffy as the free man and just overwhelms the opposition down that side, you would think it would leave us open to the counter but that just does not seem to be happening as the other central midfielder drops across to cover.

It's remarkably effective and a joy to watch
 
I was really impressed with the 1st half but 2nd half was just about doing enough to see the game out. I M O. Talking to 2 reading fans at the station and they said we were the best footballing side they've played so far which I think was a fair comment. I just wonder whether the opposition are still underestimating our passion and winning mentality?. Who cares though. Long may it continue. Up the blades.
 
Whatever happens with the Blades, you just know that Chris and Alan will make notes and let the team know what they, the management, expect from the players.

I actually think that the players won't need reminding, they'll set their own standards and know when they drop below what they regard as acceptable. All along Wilder has instilled a set of attitudes that are automatic, and the repetition of these attitudes will become the squad's default setting, so no genuine concerns, and sometimes it doesn't harm to see that the players are only human after all.
 
2.5 of that would have just been substitutions alone. There were quite a few stoppages for free-kicks second half (mostly ones we won) and a stoppage to treat Duffy (where the ref forgot to ask him to leave the field). There was a little bit of time-wasting that the ref probably also picked up on. I wasn’t surprised to see 5 come up.
Don't have to leave the field if opposition player gets booked.
 
There isn't a team that plays like us no template. we are just magic .we ain't got a barrel of money
 
It's a cliche that managers say they expect nothing less than maximum effort from their players, but Reading were yet another side that couldn't come close to matching us for desire. Every time one of their players got the ball early on, one of ours is nipping at his ankles. Every pass there's a United player closing down to intercept. Every second ball was ours. Reading couldn't handle it. They didn't have the composure on the ball, and tactically they seemed to have no idea how to respond to it.

They didn't string two passes together until we sat back and gave them the chance to do it. Yeah, sitting back made for a nervy end to the game. Yeah, I'd rather see us attack for 90 minutes. But Reading were never going to get anything from that, and 2-1 flattered them for their first 70 minutes of watching us take the mickey.
 



I can put my finger on it. Our slight blip followed Duffy being substituted

They started giving us some shoe, we tired a bit, but above all we conceded a bad goal. Other than that, did they have a chance?

Absolutely nothing for us to complain or worry about. This set of players are the most united I’ve seen and not far off the most gifted.
 
Reading were dire for the first 70 minutes before coming to life in the closing stages.

Partially it was because we didn't give them an inch, but they were also getting the basics wrong. Either shellshock or not up to it i'm not sure.

We should have been out of sight by the time their goal gave them a lift, but we weathered what 'storm' they could muster up and came through.

Wish we'd been able to truly put them to bed with an extra goal or 2, but got to be happy with the performance overall.
 
Going forward I love been hugely impressed this year. Only drawback is the final ball isn't great and we don't end up.with enough shots on target.

Defensively I worry a bit. We are there to be countered almost every time we attack. Can see us losing a 4-3 at home at some point in the future. But id take that over turgid safety first shit every week
 
Total football eh.. I don't think big Jamal had a shot to save either, they only got going when we let them have a bit of possession.. Another fancied team battered... Next
 
I’m sure each club we’ve played recognises our strengths and gives us respect. I cant see any team not scouting the opposition at this level, even if it were against lower league opposition in a cup game or friendly.

We’re just a very good team, simple as.

That said we’re surprising me if I’m honest.. but long may it last.

When I read Stam's comments before the game I felt they really had scouted us and prepared well. They changed their formation and Aluko was sort of man marking Coutts first half. Coutts seemed even more fired up because of this, running down the left wing to find space and challenging Aluko very aggressively a few times, including before one of the goals.

Kevin Gage commented on the contrasting styles of the teams' wide centre halves. While Bash and O'Connell bombed forward, theirs played like orthodox defenders. The way we play is quite rare, and when we're up for it like today we are very difficult to deal with.
 
How effectively do teams actually scout us ? Reading going 3 at the back today suggested they knew what was coming, but they were clearly as unprepared as they could have been for what hit them in the first half. They played almost exactly like Derby did (or didn't) several weeks ago, and (again) were yet another side who looked utterly perplexed on the couple of occasions that JoC appeared out of nowhere on the left side of their box. How on earth do we keep surprising teams like this, a quarter of a season in ?

One potential warning sign. Last 15 I thought we looked tired, in the same way that Liverpool did last season. Can we keep up this kind of intensity ? Everything crossed. Today, first half, yet again, we were absolutely awesome.
They obviously scout us and make plans but this football is nothing short of revolutionary in it's attacking intent and there is no precedent.
I've never seen so many of our 'defenders' making overlapping runs and hitting their box consistently.
Perhaps by the return fixtures teams will redouble their efforts to combat our system
This side will go down in history,we will not fall away,we will get better and better.Wilder and knit are the dogs bollocks.
Yes I'm enjoying the ride but the consistently high performance levels can not be denied.
Promotion?, it woud'nt surprise me one bit,
 
1st half we were brilliant a joy to watch. I felt they were trying early on to kick us about a bit. But when we settled we dominated them. Second half they were better and we never passed with the fluency of the first half. There was a lot of hoof and no possession and we started to lose control of the game but we did plenty in the first half to have won it. So a fair result We tired because we didn't control the ball and possession like we did first half. But still a great win!
 
When I read Stam's comments before the game I felt they really had scouted us and prepared well. They changed their formation and Aluko was sort of man marking Coutts first half. Coutts seemed even more fired up because of this, running down the left wing to find space and challenging Aluko very aggressively a few times, including before one of the goals.

Kevin Gage commented on the contrasting styles of the teams' wide centre halves. While Bash and O'Connell bombed forward, theirs played like orthodox defenders. The way we play is quite rare, and when we're up for it like today we are very difficult to deal with.

When teams start adjusting and setting up to nullify us it plays in our favour, instantly they’re on the back foot.

It’s huge credit to wilder and co that this is the case.

We’re at a stage where teams would be happy with a point before we even kick off and not too surprised or disappointed with a defeat. Reminds me of the promotion season under warnock, long way to go though!
 
At half time my mate and I looked at each and basically said what the fook is going on? That was as good a half as we could remember - this team just keeps getting better. The second half wasn't as good, it would be astonishing if it had been. Four things occur to me about why we let them back in it in the last 20 minutes
1. They went for it and pushed men forward - Swift clearly improved their team as well.
2. Billy and Leon began to tire and we weren't as effective on the press
3. We didn't retain the ball very well when we broke up their attacks - a few hit and hope balls led to surrendering possession and more pressure to withstand.
4. The Brooks for Duffy sub left us weaker, it's very easy to get carried away with DB and going forward he is a fantastic prospect but as yet, out of possession he is a bit hit or miss and has a fair bit still to learn, coming on with 20 to go there is no excuse for not operating at full tilt but he does tend to jog a bit, he needs to take a look at Leon and take on board the work he is putting in. This is not me being negative it's just recognising that he is still very much a work in progress - if he continues to improve at the rate he has done he's going to be one of the best attacking mids in the country in 18 months or so but he isn't yet.
Final point, in the last 15 particularly O'Connell was immense, what a player, my man of the match.
 
Ok so you know how we play - how would you play against us.
What would you do when our centre halves support our midfield player and wing back either down the left or right - it always results in 2 against 3 or 2 against 4 when Duffy joins in
The only way I think to counter it is to sit at the edge of the box and then deal with the crosses which come in But that would only work if our build up was slow which it rarely is.
I know our defensive weakness - it is if somebody runs at us down the middle - our centre halves back off But nobody has done it to us this season So no one scouting us sees this weakness. Although Swift did try a couple of times
The amazing thing for me today was that Readings plan of playing it out from the back was countered by Duff Sharp and Clarke You would therefore expect them to change this , at least at half time But they didn't so just kept having to resort to hoof.
What is good about us - we play the same way home and away We play how we want to and not in a way that just concentrates on how the opposition play.
 
My new observation today was how focused the players are at switching between their attacking and defensive responsibilities depending on where the ball is and who has it.

There was a moment in the second half where we lost it on the edge of their box on our left, and the whole team instantly set about doing their job, be it pressing, covering for a team mate still upfield or dropping into their position and face up. Bash hared back into his RCB position and won the tackle. There were a couple of times when losing the ball and turning it over again so quickly put us in an even stronger attacking position.

The players are all enjoying their roles and are so well drilled - I’ve never seen anything like it. I can’t wait to see what improvements CW and AK have lined up over the coming games.
 
Opposing teams can try matching tactics, formations and man-marking but they can't cope with our intensity and pressure game. That first half, Reading just couldn't get out of their own half. When we had the ball, we were running at them, switching play and pulling them all over the place. When they did get it, we were on them, I noticed in many cases there were two or even three blades players closing them down. When you are being hustled like that, you make mistakes and that's exactly what the Reading players did, they were knocking it out of play constantly, misplacing passes and miscontrolling the ball.
 
How effectively do teams actually scout us ? Reading going 3 at the back today suggested they knew what was coming, but they were clearly as unprepared as they could have been for what hit them in the first half. They played almost exactly like Derby did (or didn't) several weeks ago, and (again) were yet another side who looked utterly perplexed on the couple of occasions that JoC appeared out of nowhere on the left side of their box. How on earth do we keep surprising teams like this, a quarter of a season in ?

One potential warning sign. Last 15 I thought we looked tired, in the same way that Liverpool did last season. Can we keep up this kind of intensity ? Everything crossed. Today, first half, yet again, we were absolutely awesome.

I think you're wrong on both counts mate, I'll tell you why...

I think all teams effectively scout us. They'd be remiss not to wouldn't they? And I think we do the same in terms of scouting other teams. That's normal. But just because you do your homework on another team before you play them, doesn't mean you are capable of stopping them doing their thing. To take an extreme example to prove my point...what would happen if you took Chesterfield FC and made them watch hours and hours of Barcelona or Bayern Munich and how they play. And then let them have a match against them. Would the fact that they had "effectively scouted" the opposition in advance make much difference? It might help, a teeny-weeny bit, but the facts are that Chesterfield FC just wouldn't have the where with all to cope against either of these sides, no matter how much they effectively scouted them in advance.

It's the same with us. It's nonsense to suggest we are "surprising" teams. They'll have had us watched no end given the great start we've had. But...the thing is, they can't do much about it, because we are bloody good at what we do. And that's the reality. No amount of scouting is going to make much difference. It's only what the teams actually do on the day that matters.

And as for "looking tired" - do you know, I'm sorry mate and no offence, but I really dislike hearing this because it's nothing but a ridiculous excuse. These players are like thoroughbred racehorses, they are athletes, at the peak of their condition in most cases. They are not "tired" after 75 minutes of football - not at all. That's just making lame excuses I'm afraid. The reason for Reading getting on top in the last 15 was down to a combination of factors.

1 We took Duffy off.
2 They brought Swift on.
3 We gifted them a soft goal through poor goalkeeping and it lifted their mood.
4 For some reason we resorted to hoof-ball as they advanced rather than sticking to the passing game which had got them well beaten up until then.

I hope Wilder has learned something from this tbh. Don't get me wrong, the bloke is doing a fantastic job and he rarely gets a single thing wrong. But he is rather fond of changing things round about the hour mark and I think he'd be better making sure we've got the game won first - especially against strong opposition.

Taking Duffy off yesterday was a poor decision because Duffy controls so much in that midfield and he holds onto the ball. When he went off and that guy Swift came on, the balance in midfield changed dramatically in their favour. And the last 10 minutes was panic-mode tbh - just hoofing it all over the place. A bit of a throwback that to the old panicky United of recent seasons, trying to cling onto a 1 goal advantage in stoppage time.

We got away with it - but I've never seen or heard our crowd so desperate for the final whistle. We were hanging on for dear life in the end. But please....don't wheel out that excuse about it being down to tiredness - nothing at all to do with that. It was down to poor tactical changes and hesitant goalkeeping.
 



Had this conversation yesterday saying how we always start ‘fast and attaxking’ like it’s a plan from us but everyone tries to start of well. But we just implement it so much more effectively due to better coaching.

The only team that’s come to us and impressed with some movement was actually Brentford. Everyone else we have given a lesson.
 

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