Stevenage

[Ollessendro]

Well done for being good at cherry picking. You might also want to dig out the posts where I said juries are completely unpredictable and nothing was certain and note that even the quotes you have dug up are heavily qualified ("at the moment", "pretty unlikely", "logic says" etc etc).

Oh and you will note that all the posts you quote apply equally to the case against MacDonald as to the case against Evans. So again, 50% right.

Do you have much experience defending anyone in Crown Court?

 

[Darren]

I think you two should settle this in a BDSM session

He's not my type....

 

[Darren]

Do you have much experience defending anyone in Crown Court?

Yes, 15 years experience of conducting Crown Court cases. As a solicitor I don't actually stand up in court and advocate (though I do that in the Mags Court). I instruct barristers (like Pinchy) to do that. However, I have attended numerous Crown Court cases and have a fair grasp of what goes on. Juries are completely unpredicatable , but if you attend a trial throughout, you invariably get an idea of what the likely result will be and most times you are right. In my experience unexpected acquittals happen more often than unexpected convictions.

As people have said, most people who knew anything about it thought, based on the information we had, it more likely than not both Defendants would be acquitted. Obviously, none of us were there and we may have all missed various nuances that pointed to a guilty verdict for CE

 

[Knebworth]

Darren,

Like others very grateful for the posts of yourself and Pinchy over the past few weeks.

As someone who works in a field related to your own I understand how unpredicatable juries can be and how verdicts can go an unexpected way.


Knebworth.

 

[Bayingblade]

I tend to lurk rather than post these days and I followed the Evans case threads with great interest. Historically, Darren and I don't agree on much but I have to say, his input into the thread (as well as Pinchy)was interesting, insightful, educational and appreciated by many. If he had been charging the board for his time, the bill would have been of SWFC proportions

I know I don't have to defend him but (yet) another voice of support and appreciation won't go amiss (IMHO)







PS, Darren, can you stop predicting a United win tomorrow please?

 

[Ollessendro]

Yes, 15 years experience of conducting Crown Court cases. As a solicitor I don't actually stand up in court and advocate (though I do that in the Mags Court). I instruct barristers (like Pinchy) to do that. However, I have attended numerous Crown Court cases and have a fair grasp of what goes on. Juries are completely unpredicatable , but if you attend a trial throughout, you invariably get an idea of what the likely result will be and most times you are right. In my experience unexpected acquittals happen more often than unexpected convictions.

As people have said, most people who knew anything about it thought, based on the information we had, it more likely than not both Defendants would be acquitted. Obviously, none of us were there and we may have all missed various nuances that pointed to a guilty verdict for CE

Ok, thanks. I am not going to post on this thread (other than about SUFC vs Stevenage) as I am conscious that this has left the (intersting) original thread (with some good subsequent debate). I will post something about the trial in the Evans Case folder.

 

[JohnDenver]

As someone who works in a field related to your own I understand how unpredicatable juries can be and how verdicts can go an unexpected way.

??

 

[Aml-blade]

Congratulations Olle for turning an interesting thread into a petty, ego-boosting outpouring.

For what it's worth, tomorrow is just going to be one of those days where anything could happen and it wouldn't surprise me. If we play to the level we all know we're capable of, we should have enough firepower (just) to see off Stevenage, 2-1. I think the crowd staying positive and patient will be a big factor too

 

[Rodders]

Ollie in being a twat shocker

 

[judge]

Ollie in being a twat shocker

Potty mouth blah blah knuckle dragger blah blah Neanderthal blah blah

 

[shorehamview]

Now United are at home and Stevenage's away record is not great. We're obviously better (we're 2nd and they are 6th) and if we play to the best of our ability, then we will win.

Why are you telling us the league positions Olle? After all, you assured us all that the league table lies. Unless of course it doesn't lie when you want to use it in your favour.......

.......I belive the league table lies and that is well document.......

See? You can't tell us it lies and then rely on it telling the facts to back up your argument. Unless you've changed your mind?

 

[Ollessendro]

Why are you telling us the league positions Olle? After all, you assured us all that the league table lies. Unless of course it doesn't lie when you want to use it in your favour.......




See? You can't tell us it lies and then rely on it telling the facts to back up your argument. Unless you've changed your mind?

The league table often lies, but it is pretty reflective of this division. Charlton, United and Wednesday are clearly the best teams in the division. Then you have MK Dons and Huddersfield. I then do not think there is much difference between Carlisle, Notts C and Stevenage (with Brentford just a bit inferior). You only have to look at results, the fact we've been there all season and goals scored to see we deserve to be 2nd. Stevenage merit being in the play offs too. They are a well organised, physical and difficult to beat side. I think the severe lack of quality in the division has only helped to compound that, at least the top of, the league table is pretty reflective here.

 

[shorehamview]

The league table often lies, but it is pretty reflective of this division.

It lies and it doesn't lie too. Brilliant. You should be an M.P. - they are great at swerving too.

I'm not arguing about where the table says we are, and what it says. I just wonder how you can say that it lies in one post, and then use it telling the truth to back up a point in another. If it does lie then your newer posts are rubbish, and if it doesn't lie then you've been having us on.

Personally I believe that it doesn't lie. It just doesn't tell the whole picture - it can't tell you how goals were scored, how many bookings or substitutions there were, and it can't tell you about luck, either bad or good.

Here's an an analogy for you, as I know you like a good anal
ogy.

If I ask you if you like strawberry lollies, then your reply tells me only about that. Either you do, or you don't. For example, your reply of "Yes, I like to suck a nice pink one" only tells us that. We can't take from that answer how you feel about cream puffs, black pudding, sharks, astrophysics, or the economy of Guatemala. That doesn't mean your answer is lying, but it's not telling the whole story about you because it wasn't intended to.

And that's the league table. It doesn't tell the whole story because that was never it's purpose. But it doesn't lie.

 

[Pinchy]

“There either is or is not, that’s the way things are. The colour of the day. The way it felt to be a child. The saltwater on your sunburnt legs. Sometimes the water is yellow, sometimes it’s red. But what colour it may be in memory, depends on the day. I’m not going to tell you the story the way it happened. I’m going to tell it the way I remember it.”

― Charles Dickens, Great Expectations