Step up McBurnie

[Andy67]

Brewster, moose, Burke all out for the picture for the season. mcgoldrick injured last night.

He’s going to have to opportunity to stake a claim and prove his worth to us.

If we are being fair to him, he’s yet to have a proper go of it for us at this level. Injuries/Covid and people ahead of him have limited his chances to show what he can do. He has to step up and prove it now, but for Swansea, Barnsley he has shown he can be more than effective. There’s no reason he couldn’t get amongst the goals for the rest of the season.

Burke and moose couldn’t be arsed hence the door

 

[DronnieBlade]

How are all these blind crackheads (in your views) managing to find their way to the back of the kop in your honest opinion?
And how are they able to come on a forum and post their opinions?

Is everyone who doesn't agree with you in all aspects of life on some kind of drug/disabled in some way?
Do you have a list that you work from?

Genuinely intrigued by your mindset

It’s called taking the piss.

Seems to go over your head for some reason - answers on a postcard .

I do however seem capable of engaging / disagreeing / arguing with other forum members without needing to resort to personal insults.

Why that might be given the narcissistic traits I exhibit, Lord only knows !!

UTB

 

[Andy67]

This thread is really quite fascinating. There are 2 Israeli psychology professors who did loads of research on preconception. They identified that we very quickly come to an opinion about something - and then preferentially see things that support our original opinion and ignore things that go against it. They then turned this theory into the use of analytics, which objectively quantified performance rather than subjectively reacting to it. This was done with huge success in the appointment of tank commanders in the Israeli army.

This same approach was then applied to baseball - and hence the Moneyball book and film about the true story of the unlikely triumph of the Oakland Athletics. After that Michael Lewis, who wrote the Moneyball book, wrote The Undoing Project about those Israeli professors. This was really the birth of sports analytics - because scouts before that would come to a general opinion about a player and not see the one particular attribute that could be beneficial to the overall team.

I have fallen into that trap many times - because I like a player who plays at 100 mph and throws himself into the game for 95 minutes. I still react like that, but try to go through highlights afterwards to counteract my initial reactions.

Oli McB gives a very lazy, uncommitted appearance as he lopes around the pitch - but our club is well-versed in analytics. If he were not seen to be contributing in some quantifiable way, in training and in matches, to the overall team performance he would not be on the pitch or even on the bench.

Or at the club -moose and burke

 

[Cheesebored]

Wrong (I can’t say wether he was thought to be no good with SJ but that is not the case before and after SJ

Wrong? You think his record as a goal scorer with us stands up to scrutiny? Genuine question.

 

[Carlton Blade]

He's never going to be worth what we paid. Also, it's not my money so

He's shown enough in the last 2 games that he could give you 20 mins a game of decent play with the odd start thrown in where we don't look completely incompetent. His link up with MGW was definitely encouraging.

From where it was 3 weeks ago I'll 100% take whatever contribution he can offer.

 

[Andy67]

When he's been fit and available for selection he's not been picked by Wilder, Hecky, Slav and Hecky again. Do you disagree? No injury, no covid, just fit and available for selection. Yes or no?

Not true, SJ didn’t fancy him but I didn’t fancy bash either. As for the rest he has been injured etc

 

[Cheesebored]

Not true, SJ didn’t fancy him but I didn’t fancy bash either. As for the rest he has been injured etc

Ok. I've read enough.

 

[Andy67]

Wrong? You think his record as a goal scorer with us stands up to scrutiny? Genuine question.

Your question doesn’t really do justice to how we played first season back in premier or second season. No his scoring record doesn’t stand up to scrutiny particularly with his injuries. Our defensive style in premier tells a story. Genuine response.

 

[Vass Borbokis]

It’s called taking the piss.

Seems to go over your head for some reason - answers on a postcard .

I do however seem capable of engaging / disagreeing / arguing with other forum members without needing to resort to personal insults.

Why that might be given the narcissistic traits I exhibit, Lord only knows !!

UTB

Oh so the constant stereotyping is just taking the piss, got ya!
Can you let me know which drug den/rehab clinic you're currently at and I'll get that postcard straight over to you.
We've got differing opinions = you're on drugs remember, that's how it works isn't it?

Is there a special clinic for the drug addicted/blind people located in Sheffield?
I imagine it's quite a niche group, then again, maybe it isn't, according to you.

With the amount of drug abusers who just happen to be blind just within a certain area of the kop and on this forum, maybe the problem is worse than we think. Thank you for bringing it to the attention of the public.
I've got a very uncomfortable conversation coming up with some of the older generation who sit near me...I've got to somehow let them know that they've gone through all their lives whilst being blind crackheads, just because they don't berate one of our own players at every opportunity. Heaven forbid anyone should have a different opinion than the mighty DronnieBlade himself.

I apologise if calling you a moron/fuckwit has offended you.
I didn't mean to cause offence in those comments. it's just my opinion. My opinion may very well be wrong, I'd be happy to concede that. I've seen no evidence of that so far however.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Oh so the constant stereotyping is just taking the piss, got ya!
Can you let me know which drug den/rehab clinic you're currently at and I'll get that postcard straight over to you.
We've got differing opinions = you're on drugs remember, that's how it works isn't it?

Is there a special clinic for the drug addicted/blind people located in Sheffield?
I imagine it's quite a niche group, then again, maybe it isn't, according to you.

With the amount of drug abusers who just happen to be blind just within a certain area of the kop and on this forum, maybe the problem is worse than we think. Thank you for bringing it to the attention of the public.
I've got a very uncomfortable conversation coming up with some of the older generation who sit near me...I've got to somehow let them know that they've gone through all their lives whilst being blind crackheads, just because they don't berate one of our own players at every opportunity. Heaven forbid anyone should have a different opinion than the mighty DronnieBlade himself.

I apologise if calling you a moron/fuckwit has offended you.
I didn't mean to cause offence in those comments. it's just my opinion. My opinion may very well be wrong, I'd be happy to concede that. I've seen no evidence of that so far however.

Question.

Are you aware that there are a gang of crackheads that sit at the back of the kop ?

The same set of crack heads that tend (but of course can’t be totally responsible) for much of the bollocks that goes on at away games ?

Throwing bottles ? Swilling beer all over the gaff ?

Generally being cunts ??

Now.

While clearly you are not a member of this elite mob, I do find it interesting that actual members of said mob are mostly (but not of course exclusively) advocates of the McBaffling creature and champion his cause. It’s a hunch of course but, I hope, an informed one.

Let me assure you of one thing I know for certain. Charlie / Grout etc is a MUCH bigger problem in this City than many people appreciate. It’s ducking everywhere.

You don’t agree.

Fine. We move on.

What I do find interesting is that my belief in wanting what is best for OUR club, specifically in this context the limited usage of our extremely limited CF, is somehow interpreted as hatred. My only explanation is that this speaks volumes of my accusers rather than YT !!

I don’t do hate. Never have done. Ain’t about to start at my age .

The personal insults stuff is water off. Couldn’t give a monkeys. But again, might I suggest that the things stated, now footprints in the sands of time, paint a picture of your own character ?

He who casts the first stone and all that !

Maybe.

UTB

 

[Vass Borbokis]

Question.

Are you aware that there are a gang of crackheads that sit at the back of the kop ?

The same set of crack heads that tend (but of course can’t be totally responsible) for much of the bollocks that goes on at away games ?

Throwing bottles ? Swilling beer all over the gaff ?

Generally being cunts ??

Now.

While clearly you are not a member of this elite mob, I do find it interesting that actual members of said mob are mostly (but not of course exclusively) advocates of the McBaffling creature and champion his cause. It’s a hunch of course but, I hope, an informed one.

Let me assure you of one thing I know for certain. Charlie / Grout etc is a MUCH bigger problem in this City than many people appreciate. It’s ducking everywhere.

You don’t agree.

Fine. We move on.

What I do find interesting is that my belief in wanting what is best for OUR club, specifically in this context the limited usage of our extremely limited CF, is somehow interpreted as hatred. My only explanation is that this speaks volumes of my accusers rather than YT !!

I don’t do hate. Never have done. Ain’t about to start at my age .

The personal insults stuff is water off. Couldn’t give a monkeys. But again, might I suggest that the things stated, now footprints in the sands of time, paint a picture of your own character ?

He who casts the first stone and all that !

Maybe.

UTB

Here you are with your assumptions again. At what point have I said I don't see there being a drug problem?

I'm not aware of a 'gang of crackheads' no. Will there be individuals who partake in that? 100% there will be. I agree its absolutely everywhere and is definitely an issue not just in this city, but modern culture. Your generalisations are mental though.

My main gripe, as always will be, is how you handle yourself. Anyone who doesn't agree with you or who has differing opinions, is told to go to the back of the kop with the rest of the crackheads or is blind.

I'm not a McBurnie lover by any means.
What he's shown so far in his Utd career is not enough at all.
Does he deserve a chance to show what he's about, to make up for his off field antics, to repay the faith shown to him from the club/our fans? I'd like to think so.
If the lad starts 10-15 games in a row and absolutely stinks the place out, then I'll offer criticism.
He was part of one of the worst sides in Premier league history (as much as you like to believe, it wasn't all down to 1 person).
As you've seen with the rest of the squad, it's taken quite some time to get over last season. He's been missing most of the season through injury/covid related issues so is well behind the rest of the squad in that respect.
What I do know, in the last 2 appearances (shockingly small sample size, I know) playing in a team that seems to have got it's groove back, he's not looked out of place.

I mean you calling people crackheads for not agreeing you is easily casting the first stone.... Was I out of line calling you a moron? Quite possibly.
Was it accurate? Again quite possibly.

If you want to debate the thread subject anymore I'm happy to reply, I've given my reasonable opinion, we all know yours. We don't agree, let's leave it at that.

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Sorry about that ^^
The guide dog dropped my crack pipe on the keyboard

 

[blade67]

Ehh ! I am one of his biggest critics , but i will give it to him , he was great toneet , keep it up !

He has 5 touches in the build up to the goal, he's moving and passing and playing off MGW really well.

He's been shit, let's be right, but if he can play that role....

I know; it's the hope that kills isn't it?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Here you are with your assumptions again. At what point have I said I don't see there being a drug problem?

I'm not aware of a 'gang of crackheads' no. Will there be individuals who partake in that? 100% there will be. I agree its absolutely everywhere and is definitely an issue not just in this city, but modern culture. Your generalisations are mental though.

My main gripe, as always will be, is how you handle yourself. Anyone who doesn't agree with you or who has differing opinions, is told to go to the back of the kop with the rest of the crackheads or is blind.

I'm not a McBurnie lover by any means.
What he's shown so far in his Utd career is not enough at all.
Does he deserve a chance to show what he's about, to make up for his off field antics, to repay the faith shown to him from the club/our fans? I'd like to think so.
If the lad starts 10-15 games in a row and absolutely stinks the place out, then I'll offer criticism.
He was part of one of the worst sides in Premier league history (as much as you like to believe, it wasn't all down to 1 person).
As you've seen with the rest of the squad, it's taken quite some time to get over last season. He's been missing most of the season through injury/covid related issues so is well behind the rest of the squad in that respect.
What I do know, in the last 2 appearances (shockingly small sample size, I know) playing in a team that seems to have got it's groove back, he's not looked out of place.

I mean you calling people crackheads for not agreeing you is easily casting the first stone.... Was I out of line calling you a moron? Quite possibly.
Was it accurate? Again quite possibly.

If you want to debate the thread subject anymore I'm happy to reply, I've given my reasonable opinion, we all know yours. We don't agree, let's leave it at that.

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Sorry about that ^^
The guide dog dropped my crack pipe on the keyboard

I’d have thought the “you don’t agree fine we move on” might have changed your perspective.

Sadly not.

Calling someone a Moron and then apologising for it but leaving in a caveat you might possibly be right in any event is utterly bizarre. Ironically, It reeks of what you accuse me of. I’m sure you don’t see it like that.

I have no wish / desire to dissect your personality. It is what it is and im sure you are perfectly happy with it. Let’s not go any further with that.

My last take on this.

Anyone, individuals, supporters, professional football clubs et al investing in the future prospects of their club with Oli McBurnie as the figurehead of their attack (or even as a bit part player) is in for a very difficult time of it.

That’s my opinion. Has been since Sept 2019. Hasn’t changed.

UTB

 

[CornwallBlade]

If he does start the next match then he needs to learn from Baldock about seizing his chance. This could be good man management in that he had a good cameo against Birmingham and now another longer one tonight. This could be Hecky challenging him after Birmingham and telling him that one good performance isn't enough, despite recent injuries, and that he's got to do this everytime. Now that Mousset is gone, Brewster is out for the season and Didsy is crocked too, this is his chance to seize the shirt and keep it. With Ndiaye and MGW he could finally get the service to feet that he thrived with at Swansea.

This. I think he’s hopeless and have been given Pelters for saying so. OK then big boy, have 90 mins and let’s see what you’ve got!

 

[CornwallBlade]

On Friday he showed his willingness to get stuck in and the footballing nous to help us see out the game. Tonight he showed how effective he can be when he drops a bit deeper and helps link play. At times in the last 18 months his touch has deserted him but today it was really good. His understanding with MGW showed a lot of promise.

He's still got a long way to go to make up for 18 months of poor performances, poor fitness, and off the pitch antics. He's definitely going in the right direction though.

Wow! A bargain then? He was bought to score goals…. Nothing more or less

 

[dc_blade]

Wow! A bargain then? He was bought to score goals…. Nothing more or less

Not really sure why you've jumped on my comment, the second part of which acknowledges that McBurnie has a long way to go to make up for the last 18 months.

He's had two good cameos recently. I think it's still possible that he will come good. I hope he does. That's about it.

 

[DIRTY HARRY]

^^^^

This.

The apologists are out in force tonight and making a right old racket .

The defending of a £20m CF who has now gone 28 games (apparently) WITHOUT A GOAL and precious little else by way of positive contribution (a couple of assists perhaps) just goes to show what y’all know about what good looks like !

UTB

He would not look out of place in a Sunday league team.

 

[blade67]

Was involved 5 (FIVE) times in the build up to the second goal. We made 25 passes with him being involved in a 5th of them

His play in that goal was fantastic, as was MGW. Terrific goal.

With McB the frustration is that he doesn't do it enough. Wake up lad

 

[blade67]

Not really sure why you've jumped on my comment, the second part of which acknowledges that McBurnie has a long way to go to make up for the last 18 months.

He's had two good cameos recently. I think it's still possible that he will come good. I hope he does. That's about it.

He's got 18 months left on his contract, time to come good for his own future

 

[CornwallBlade]

Not really sure why you've jumped on my comment, the second part of which acknowledges that McBurnie has a long way to go to make up for the last 18 months.

He's had two good cameos recently. I think it's still possible that he will come good. I hope he does. That's about it.

Sorry if you thought I was being selective - not my intention at all. I guess I correlate the unwillingness to acknowledge that we’ve been duped into buying over priced goons like McB with the stock market. No body dare say “you know what we’ve bought fools gold” because it’s the only hope the system has of selling on to some other mug. £20 million! Just stop and take a reality check. The same applies to managers. WBA have forked out on that serial failure of a manager and yes, he’ll get fired and yes, he’ll trouser another few million quid. The relative performance to value ratios have all been shot to shit and we really should start to see what’s what.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Now is a prime opportunity for McBurnie to flourish.

We're playing at a level at which he's been prolific previously, and we're playing his style of football - intricate passing and link up play - for the first time in his career at SUFC. The players are starting to look confident once more and he may well benefit, but having plenty of chances to bag.

 

[Keen Blade]

It was offside

Wtf does that matter , hit the feckin target from 8 yards you donkey , you don't know it's offside

 

[LewishamBlade]

Wtf does that matter , hit the feckin target from 8 yards you donkey , you don't know it's offside

So we’re now using offside chances as a stick to beat him with? Interesting standpoint

 

[dc_blade]

Sorry if you thought I was being selective - not my intention at all. I guess I correlate the unwillingness to acknowledge that we’ve been duped into buying over priced goons like McB with the stock market. No body dare say “you know what we’ve bought fools gold” because it’s the only hope the system has of selling on to some other mug. £20 million! Just stop and take a reality check. The same applies to managers. WBA have forked out on that serial failure of a manager and yes, he’ll get fired and yes, he’ll trouser another few million quid. The relative performance to value ratios have all been shot to shit and we really should start to see what’s what.

I don't think he's a goon. Just my opinion. I think he was pretty decent for us in his first season, and obviously very good for Barnsley and Swansea in the season and a half before that. He then had a nightmarish 18 months. Part of that downturn is his doing, in my view. I think he had/has some growing up to do, as evidenced by his dopey behavior off the pitch. But perhaps part of it was just a spell of poor form, which can happen to even very good players, and perhaps part of it was down to poor management, loss of confidence, or just being in a team that couldn't win a game of football for love nor money. A few players who looked awful last season and the first part of this are starting to look like maybe they're not lost causes after all. Maybe McBurnie could be another.

Personally, I'm always going to be slow to write a player off. That's just a matter of personality. Others are quicker to jump on a player's back after a few (or a lot of) bad performances, and that's a matter of personality, too. Luckily we're all just punters on a football forum and it doesn't matter what we do or don't acknowledge.

 

[S64 Blade]

Take McBurnie out of the picture and put Ndiaye in and everyone is on here talking about how fantastic he is at linking the play.

If Ndiaye wasn’t in his first season as a professional footballer, hadn’t scored for 14 months, cost £20m, had been in numerous off field incidents and was constantly unfit, then maybe we wouldn’t.

 

[Keen Blade]

Doubt he disagrees that much

He’s kind of lumbered with him but he will man manage him the best he can to get a tune from him especially now we are losing players to injury .

Heckys main brief imo is get the wage bill down asap hence moose and Burke away - I think if any offer had come in for Oli Mac he would be down the road too

Spot on , Hecky must have been praying for an offer on McB as hard as he was praying for none on Ndaiye & Jebbo

 

[Keen Blade]

So we’re now using offside chances as a stick to beat him with? Interesting standpoint

So you're good with a striker hitting shots into the Kop ?
Interesting standpoint.

 

[LewishamBlade]

So you're good with a striker hitting shots into the Kop ?
Interesting standpoint.

When they’re offside yeah

 

[LJBlade]

If Ndiaye wasn’t in his first season as a professional footballer, hadn’t scored for 14 months, cost £20m, had been in numerous off field incidents and was constantly unfit, then maybe we wouldn’t.

Which demonstrates the point that a few people have made quite succinctly, thanks.

 

[Bell4]

I don't think he's a goon. Just my opinion. I think he was pretty decent for us in his first season, and obviously very good for Barnsley and Swansea in the season and a half before that. He then had a nightmarish 18 months. Part of that downturn is his doing, in my view. I think he had/has some growing up to do, as evidenced by his dopey behavior off the pitch. But perhaps part of it was just a spell of poor form, which can happen to even very good players, and perhaps part of it was down to poor management, loss of confidence, or just being in a team that couldn't win a game of football for love nor money. A few players who looked awful last season and the first part of this are starting to look like maybe they're not lost causes after all. Maybe McBurnie could be another.

Personally, I'm always going to be slow to write a player off. That's just a matter of personality. Others are quicker to jump on a player's back after a few (or a lot of) bad performances, and that's a matter of personality, too. Luckily we're all just punters on a football forum and it doesn't matter what we do or don't acknowledge.

I quickly wrote Basham off

Thought he was terrible

Mcburnie will get his chance that’s for sure unless he gets injured or Ill

Down to him now with a manager who seems to be able to get a tune out of players