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The following is correspondence between myself and the FA - if we can (when we get there!!) organise a standing section nothing will be done to force us to sit down...

Dear Sir/madam,
Once again I'm observing persistent standing at a top flight football match. Re: the FA cup final at Wembley both sets of supporters behind both goals stood without any attempt to mHake them sit down.

Will you please address this problem by creating standing areas or making all fans sit down during matches, not just fans of lesser supported clubs. As a Sheffield United supporter who attended the play off final at Wembley the stewards were much more 'pro active' at making supporters sit down.

Regards
Mr Simon Breen

Dear Simon,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us, as it is only through receiving valuable communication that we are able to review our processes, procedures and service levels, to ensure that we are able to provide all our visitors with a safe and memorable event day experience.

Regarding your comments concerning supporter's standing, our Crowd Safety Team proactively manages issues of persistent standing with the priority being the safety of all visitors. With the nature of large sections of the crowd constantly standing, and at times with such large numbers involved, it is often safer to observe them as they stand while still ensuring that all emergency exits and gangways are clear, and also ensuring that the behaviour of the crowd is maintained.

For clarification, our crowd safety team will certainly enforce the Wembley Stadium ground regulations within the Stadium provided it is safe to do so in the circumstances, and would emphasise that any decision on the appropriate course of action is made giving primary consideration to public safety and prevention of disorder, which naturally are our priority. Ejection of supporters was not considered to be an appropriate response by our crowd safety team, as it could have escalated what was (from a safety perspective) a manageable situation.

To further explain, the paramount concern of our Crowd Safety Team is with the safety of all visitors. Despite the efforts of our crowd safety team to discourage persistent standing, a number of spectators chose to remain standing in contravention of the Wembley Stadium ground regulations. We certainly did not turn a blind eye to the spectators who remained standing, rather our team observed and monitored crowd behaviour throughout the event. We take the same approach with respect to all of our ground regulations, and will take action where they are being breached provided that such action does not put our visitors or staff at additional risk or provoke disorder.

Please be assured that our primary objective is the safety of our visitors and staff.

Kind regards
Tracey



Tracey Bates | Customer Relations Assistant
Communications
The FA Group
 



Easily sorted, we all must stand up and they will leave us alone!, To be honest I quite enjoy the sitting areas more these days!
UTB!
 
I'd rather stand, as the atmosphere feels flat for me otherwise, but I appreciate that the person sat behind doesn't want me blocking their view if they prefer to sit.

Given that standing is a "contravention of the Wembley Stadium ground regulations", I can't see how the club would be able to organise it such that we could arrange a standing area.

Not that it will matter of course :rolleyes:
 
so can we drink and smoke too then if enough people do it?
 

so can we drink and smoke too then if enough people do it?


Drink on the concourse, smoke in the toilets.

I remember The FA and Englandfans sorted this section where england fans who wanted to sing could go and stand. Then they rammed the pig band in there as well which meant you couldn't hear yourself think never mind sing.

Ahhh The FA!
 
The truth is it's not really a Wembley issue. Their response is pretty much what most clubs apply at their grounds - it's just that most wouldn't be so honest as to say so.

There have been a number of games in recent history (MK Dons away being the most recent) where virtually all Blades fans have stood throughout, and there has been very little (if any) challenge from the stewards. Had only a handful of Blades fans stood up, they may well have been challenged. The reality is that the tiny safety risks of standing (what are they?!) are completely eclipsed by the risk of a small number of stewards wading in to hundreds of standing people trying to get them to sit down.

It isn't that certain clubs are treated differently. It's that certain clubs have a culture of everyone standing away from home (or in a certain area of their home ground) and that makes it unsafe to try to enforce a standing ban.

If you look at the stands on Match of the Day and The Football League Show you will see that the fans of most clubs of a similar size to ours stand up throughout the match away from home. We are comparatively unusual for a club of our size in that most people sit down - except, for some reason, at certain important games, when there seems to be an unspoken collective decision that we're all going to stand up!

My perception is that quite a large proportion of our travelling fans would like to stand throughout - a larger proportion than actually do, because if you're amongst people sitting down, you really have to sit down so as not to obstruct their view.

However, we need to keep in mind the needs of those who are unable to stand for 90 minutes, and those who would simply prefer to sit down (seats are provided, people have a right to sit in them and be able to see the game).

I think the simple solution is that when buying a ticket for an away game you are asked 'back or front' - the unspoken understanding being that there is likely to be standing and a more 'raucous' atmosphere towards the back, and sitting and a more 'family' atmosphere towards the front. This would do away with the tensions between fans which we all see at away matches, when people sat immediately alongside each other want to enjoy their football in very different ways.
 
I'd rather stand, as the atmosphere feels flat for me otherwise, but I appreciate that the person sat behind doesn't want me blocking their view if they prefer to sit.

Given that standing is a "contravention of the Wembley Stadium ground regulations", I can't see how the club would be able to organise it such that we could arrange a standing area.

Not that it will matter of course :rolleyes:

Last time I went to Wembley, I had to sit down because I had broken my leg three months before - the ignorant twat in front of me ignored my requests to sit down, and I thought it might be a bit of an own goal to deck one of our own at Wembley, so I stood with all the rest.
 
I'm not particularly happy when asked to sit down but I do. It's never been an issue apart from Newcastle away, we were politely asked to sit and we did (they were originally stood up behind us the last time we checked) and then proceeded to tut loudly and berate us every time we stood up - even when people wanted to get past us!

They soon cheered up when Webber scored :)
 
This post has opened an interesting debate,re standing and as often is the case these days many fans are only interested in themselves.
After we had played Charlton at the Valley I exchanged a number of emails with their stadium safety officer over not ensuring that they complied with the agreed H/S certificate as issued by the LA in their area.
All stadiums have to have one issued and in theory if they do not comply they can be closed down.
The answer that I got back was that while each club has to comply with basically the same restrictions, it is usually decided by the police controller on duty as to wether there could be a greater safety risk in enforcing fans to sit or merely allowing them to stand and be observed.
Wembley are following the same pattern, in that if every one stands from the start it is better to let it continue.
Despite the fact that a contract has been formed by purchasing a ticket for a seat,a sum paid,that has no relevance if all stand.
Just let us consider a number of points before we all think, great, I much prefer to stand.
One poster has already mentioned problems with his leg and I am sure there are many others who could relate similar tales.
Not wishing to tak about ones self,but let me give you a couple of examples.
I started standing at the lane when I was 5 years old in 1946, and have stood for years,Lane end, Kop end and finishing on the John Street terrace for years.Now use the South stand and have done for many a year.
Fortunately I am fortunate in still following the Blades but prefer to sit to be honest.
My eldest grandson was at MK Dons, and on the Monday afterwards had an operation on his leg, a football injury.
He had to stand in considerable pain to see the game.
Yes I can hear well you should not attend.
Can any one provide a valid reason, other than a selfish one, why if a seat is purchased they should get there bum on it and consider the others behind.
If clubs will not enforce seating on the weak excuse that is not safe to do so then they should revert back to standing and sitting areas as we used to enjoy, charging more to sit than stand.
They are not complying with the regulations now so why bother.
All those who feel it is their right to stand, just consider this, we have all been your age and one day you will be mine.
I would still go in a wheel chair if required, 3 other Blades here to push it.
No Blades equals no life.
UTB
PS Sorry rant over.
 
The following is correspondence between myself and the FA - if we can (when we get there!!) organise a standing section nothing will be done to force us to sit down...

Dear Sir/madam,
Once again I'm observing persistent standing at a top flight football match. Re: the FA cup final at Wembley both sets of supporters behind both goals stood without any attempt to mHake them sit down.

Will you please address this problem by creating standing areas or making all fans sit down during matches, not just fans of lesser supported clubs. As a Sheffield United supporter who attended the play off final at Wembley the stewards were much more 'pro active' at making supporters sit down.

Regards
Mr Simon Breen

Dear Simon,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us, as it is only through receiving valuable communication that we are able to review our processes, procedures and service levels, to ensure that we are able to provide all our visitors with a safe and memorable event day experience.

Regarding your comments concerning supporter's standing, our Crowd Safety Team proactively manages issues of persistent standing with the priority being the safety of all visitors. With the nature of large sections of the crowd constantly standing, and at times with such large numbers involved, it is often safer to observe them as they stand while still ensuring that all emergency exits and gangways are clear, and also ensuring that the behaviour of the crowd is maintained.

For clarification, our crowd safety team will certainly enforce the Wembley Stadium ground regulations within the Stadium provided it is safe to do so in the circumstances, and would emphasise that any decision on the appropriate course of action is made giving primary consideration to public safety and prevention of disorder, which naturally are our priority. Ejection of supporters was not considered to be an appropriate response by our crowd safety team, as it could have escalated what was (from a safety perspective) a manageable situation.

To further explain, the paramount concern of our Crowd Safety Team is with the safety of all visitors. Despite the efforts of our crowd safety team to discourage persistent standing, a number of spectators chose to remain standing in contravention of the Wembley Stadium ground regulations. We certainly did not turn a blind eye to the spectators who remained standing, rather our team observed and monitored crowd behaviour throughout the event. We take the same approach with respect to all of our ground regulations, and will take action where they are being breached provided that such action does not put our visitors or staff at additional risk or provoke disorder.

Please be assured that our primary objective is the safety of our visitors and staff.

Kind regards
Tracey



Tracey Bates | Customer Relations Assistant
Communications
The FA Group


That's got the FA quaking in their boots Breeny.

"Customer Relations Assistant".

My guess is that it's one notch up from a YTS trainee.

At least she can spell and punctuate properly.
 
Fair response though.

I note tonight was mutually agreed to be important enough for everyone to stand throughout. Is there a secret committee which decides these things? :)
 

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