Stan Collymore...Columnist,Wanker.

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I don't take stuff like this as a personal affront.

Fact is Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal are all pretty shite even compared to two of those clubs' recent leaner years.

Chelsea arent what they were and whilst Leicester are decent, they're not as good as previous teams who've challenged for second.

Whether you agree with the assessment or not (personally I like it when other teams gatecrash the party as it freshens it up) it's not a view just to criticise us.

We've been fantastic this season but how many teams have remotely impressed you this season?
 

Soak it up Blades! It will only get worse as the season progresses to a finish!
I take these sort of comments and put them in the salty bin.

Laugh it off!
 
I don't take stuff like this as a personal affront.

Fact is Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal are all pretty shite even compared to two of those clubs' recent leaner years.

Chelsea arent what they were and whilst Leicester are decent, they're not as good as previous teams who've challenged for second.

Whether you agree with the assessment or not (personally I like it when other teams gatecrash the party as it freshens it up) it's not a view just to criticise us.

We've been fantastic this season but how many teams have remotely impressed you this season?
Difficult to say when they all have their worst game of the season against us 😁
(with the exception of Liverpool at Anfield)
 
I can never understand why pundits use that false logic. So in a strong league, do all the teams win all of their games? And in a weak league, all the teams lose all of their games? It doesn't make any sense.

The only real way of telling how 'strong' a league is, is by comparing it to some external league. This could be:

a) See how English teams get on in European competitions. 4 finalists out of 4 last year suggests that the Premier League is very strong. This year, all four English teams have qualified from the group stages. All three English teams are still in the Europa league. Again, this suggests that the league is strong.
b) See how the promoted/relegated teams do. Norwich (last year's champions in the Championship) have struggled badly and Villa with huge investment are in the bottom four. This suggests that the league is too strong for them. Of the relegated teams, it's much harder to tell, because Huddersfield and Cardiff have lost a lot of their best players from last season. Fulham kept quite a few and are third.

So, almost all of the evidence points towards it being a strong league. The only real evidence that 'contradicts' that is the fact that we are doing well.

Fan's of the Occam's Razor Principle will know that we can now go down two routes:

Option 1: Concoct a series of convoluted and unsubstantiated arguments to explain why the league is actually very weak this year, despite all of the contradictory evidence.
Option 2: Accept that Sheffield United are just doing very well.

Agree with all of that. All I can assume is that journalists like this have either never been introduced to basic critical thinking (which is sad) or they're all motivated thinkers spinning a narrative (which pisses me off). I'm not sure which is worse.
 
While ever we have this approach and management then we will always finish safe in the Prem - SO WILL ANY OTHER TEAM THAT FOLLOWS THESE PRINCIPLES !

The Premier League needs a good knock up the backside and it's happening now and long may it continue

UTMB
 
Wifebeating prick who claims to be an anti-racism activist but hates black people if they don't think the exact same way he does.
 
I like Collymore because he has strong opinions and doesn't just follow the pack. But he's wrong about this.

Didn't he get caught dogging because he went in his sponsored car with his name on it? Or am I imagining that?
 
Apologies if this is anywhere else, but it fucking wound me up. Just read his article in The Mirror bemoaning that the Premier League isn't what is was 20 years ago (which, surprise surprise is when he was still plying his trade I suppose).
I'll not ruin it if you can't wait to read Stans words of wisdom, but he finishes by saying (and I quote)
"Sheffield United are a decent team but they shouldn't be anywhere near the top five or six"
Yeah, thanks Stan. I wasn't aware doing well in the league wasn't allowed, so if I need to read insightful, clever football stuff I'll read somebody else from now on.
If I need to know about knocking women about,I'll look to you for advice eh?
Wanker...

Sounds like a pig. Championship was the weakest ever when we finished 2nd and they finished, erm, 12th.

Where are Aston Villa, Stanley?
 
He seems to be saying that because the division is very close outside the top two that it means the game is either less competitive or a lower quality. Except that doesn't make sense because it's e
xactly what you'd expect to see if all the clubs were of a very high standard. The only conclusion you can draw that there isn't a large difference in quality between the sides, but that doesn't say whether it's because they're all good, bad, or indifferent.

Basically, it's nonsense.
I hate to admit it but we are lower quality in terms of skill and entertainment.

Very few if any of our players will be coveted by the teams at the top as none of them has the individual skills to make them stand out.

Couple this with our change of approach since we leaked three goals in no time at Villa and we are now nowhere near as good to watch as we were in the first half of last season and the two seasons prior to that.

We are still lauded for the use of overlapping centre backs despite the fact that the sight of Jack O'Connell is becoming more and more scarce by the game.

Recently we are looking disjointed in attack, we're giving the ball away far too often and far too easily and whilst we're well up the table we ae one of the lowest scoring teams in the league

BUT

Football is a results business and we are getting results because we are well organised, hard working and a TEAM that is far greater than the sum of it's individual parts.

I have no issues with this, and no issues when fans of other teams use similar phrases to describe us, in fact I see it as a great compliment and originates from their jealousy that we are doing so much better than their team despite being compromised of players that none of them would dream of signing in a million years.


At the end of the day results define a team, "one nil to the Arsenal" and there is more than one way to win a game of football.

We play the way that we do because we have to.

Our players do lack the skills and individual abilities of most of their counterparts in the Premier League but they have twice as much heart and commitment to the cause and each other than any other team in the league.

These qualities can only take us so far but for now it's working.

The way forward has to be to try and steadily improve the quality of our individuals without losing the heart, desire, and othe qualities that enable us to be at the level we are deservedly at now.
 
The problem with any statement like this is that it’s impossible to know how well teams of today would do if they were magically transported in time back 20 30 or whatever years ago. Would the Arsenal invincibles be that good if they played now? Probably they would be challenging but better than Liverpool? No one knows
Every team that is successful is so in their own era. Making comparisons is spurious nonsense
 
The Premier League is by far the most competitive top tier league in Europe.

That's what makes it so exciting.

Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal are the three most successful clubs in England but it has been 54 years (combined) since any of them have won the title. Mental.

That would never, ever happen in any other country.
 
I don't take stuff like this as a personal affront.

Fact is Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal are all pretty shite even compared to two of those clubs' recent leaner years.

Chelsea arent what they were and whilst Leicester are decent, they're not as good as previous teams who've challenged for second.

Whether you agree with the assessment or not (personally I like it when other teams gatecrash the party as it freshens it up) it's not a view just to criticise us.

We've been fantastic this season but how many teams have remotely impressed you this season?
Southampton. Good to watch and have performed manfully since their thrashing. Shown alot of courage in trying to win rather than avoid losing.
 

I hate to admit it but we are lower quality in terms of skill and entertainment.

Very few if any of our players will be coveted by the teams at the top as none of them has the individual skills to make them stand out.

Couple this with our change of approach since we leaked three goals in no time at Villa and we are now nowhere near as good to watch as we were in the first half of last season and the two seasons prior to that.

We are still lauded for the use of overlapping centre backs despite the fact that the sight of Jack O'Connell is becoming more and more scarce by the game.

Recently we are looking disjointed in attack, we're giving the ball away far too often and far too easily and whilst we're well up the table we ae one of the lowest scoring teams in the league

BUT

Football is a results business and we are getting results because we are well organised, hard working and a TEAM that is far greater than the sum of it's individual parts.

I have no issues with this, and no issues when fans of other teams use similar phrases to describe us, in fact I see it as a great compliment and originates from their jealousy that we are doing so much better than their team despite being compromised of players that none of them would dream of signing in a million years.


At the end of the day results define a team, "one nil to the Arsenal" and there is more than one way to win a game of football.

We play the way that we do because we have to.

Our players do lack the skills and individual abilities of most of their counterparts in the Premier League but they have twice as much heart and commitment to the cause and each other than any other team in the league.

These qualities can only take us so far but for now it's working.

The way forward has to be to try and steadily improve the quality of our individuals without losing the heart, desire, and othe qualities that enable us to be at the level we are deservedly at now.

I'll grant that in terms of individual flair we don't have players as exciting as other teams. In terms of entertainment I think for the most part we've been brilliant.

I'm a little bit taken back when people talk about "recent" performances because the run of games we've had has been utterly insane. I think cold pragmatism has to give way sometimes but we all know how Wilder wants to play. We've seen it. And I'm utterly opposed to this idea that we're miraculously producing performances that exceed the standards of our players. I don't know what Fleck, Norwood, Baldock, Stevens, JOC, and others have to do for some people to say "Yep, they're really good footballers".
 
The only honour listed for Stan Collymore is a player of the month award.

For a guy who talks about top level football as he does, I expected to see more listed.
 
No miracle to our performances.

We're playing to our players strengths, in a system that they've been hand picked for.

We are not however creating loads of scoring opportunities or dominating possession.

We're hanging in there in many games, Palace first half for the most recent example, because we don't have the quality to dominate games or take the game to the opposition in the way that we have done in recent seasons.

This is not a criticism of any individual player, it's just the way it is.

We have a bunch of decent, hard working players and an amazing management team that is pushing them to their limits and getting the absolute best out of them.

I'm delighted with the way this season has gone but the entertainment levels have dropped and we can't afford to stand still if we want to take it to the next level.
 
All three English teams are still in the Europa league. Again, this suggests that the league is strong.

Wolves play Espanyol in the first knock out round of the Europa League.

Espanyol won their group. Espanyol are rock bottom of the Spanish League. Does this suggest the Spanish League is super strong like Andrex?
 
Wolves play Espanyol in the first knock out round of the Europa League.

Espanyol won their group. Espanyol are rock bottom of the Spanish League. Does this suggest the Spanish League is super strong like Andrex?

It means that anybody trying trying to claim that the Spanish league is weak this year would be doing so against the available evidence.
 
I remember Leicester getting shit like this thrown at them when they won the league. The pundits and journalists in this country are remarkably arrogant on the whole and know very little about anything outside the usual top 6. It probably worries them a little that teams they know nothing about may break into the top 6 and their lack of knowledge on them will be shown up.


It's why the likes of Colin Murray stand out so much. He's a fan of Liverpool but completely gets the romance of the smaller clubs being successful. He knows that is what makes this game great. Most of the pricks who do the Sunday Supplement seem to think we all believe it's a national tragedy that Man U or Arsenal aren't doing that well and that Leeds deserve to be in the top flight because they were successful once. They are so far removed from the average fan and so ignorant of smaller clubs it's embarrassing.


Not saying Colin isn't a vast improvement on other presenters but if he really " got it" he wouldn't be a Liverpool fan he'd be a Portadown, Glentoran, Cliftonville etc fan or something, he's not from Merseyside is he ?
 
Not saying Colin isn't a vast improvement on other presenters but if he really " got it" he wouldn't be a Liverpool fan he'd be a Portadown, Glentoran, Cliftonville etc fan or something, he's not from Merseyside is he ?


The Irish are allowed to support Liverpool. It's just one of those things
 
Personal life[edit]
Collymore had a relationship with Ulrika Jonsson which ended after he punched her in The Auld Alliance bar in Paris on 9 June 1998 on the eve of the Scotland v Brazil opening football match at the 1998 FIFA World Cup.[37][38][39] Since talking in 1999 for the first time about his experience of depression,[40] he has supported the charity Depression Alliance.[41]

In 2004, Collymore was accused of taking part in dogging at Cannock Chase by an undercover News of the World reporter.[42] He lost his job at BBC Radio 5 Live over the incident.
 
This time last year, our 36 points would've had us in 8th place, 11 points behind Arsenal in 6th and 14 points behind Chelsea in 4th. Instead, we're in 6th place ourselves and only 5 points behind Chelsea in 4th.

That doesn't mean the league is weaker, necessarily. But I don't think there's any argument that Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd, and Arsenal are all weaker this year than they have been in previous seasons. We've been brilliant--we've also been fortunate to arrive in the PL in a season where so many big teams are in transition.
 

But I don't think there's any argument that Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd, and Arsenal are all weaker this year than they have been in previous seasons. We've been brilliant--we've also been fortunate to arrive in the PL in a season where so many big teams are in transition.

Thats what seems to be confusing professionally beef-witted, sex-terrorists like Collymore and True Geordie who claim the league is poor this season.

Four of the six teams they need to talk about to generate clicks/ad revenue are not doing well and they conflate that to the entire league.
 

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