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Apologies if this is anywhere else, but it fucking wound me up. Just read his article in The Mirror bemoaning that the Premier League isn't what is was 20 years ago (which, surprise surprise is when he was still plying his trade I suppose).
I'll not ruin it if you can't wait to read Stans words of wisdom, but he finishes by saying (and I quote)
"Sheffield United are a decent team but they shouldn't be anywhere near the top five or six"
Yeah, thanks Stan. I wasn't aware doing well in the league wasn't allowed, so if I need to read insightful, clever football stuff I'll read somebody else from now on.
If I need to know about knocking women about,I'll look to you for advice eh?
Wanker...
 

SirNibletsO'Korne said:
"Sheffield United are a decent team but they shouldn't be anywhere near the top five or six"
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Its all about context.

Taken on face value Collymore is talking rubbish.....but suspect he himself would agree that the table never lies
and those clubs near the top are there on merit and deserve to be there.....so of course we are currently the 6th best team in the league.

What he probably means is that a team consisting of a manager and players with negligible PL experience.....due to spending most of their careers in the lower divisions. All things being equal...using logic....shouldn’t be anywhere near the top 6......and he’s correct.

Wilder is shaking up the thought processes of PL football world.
He’s proving over and over again that judgements based on indiviidal talent, reputation from a great CV and big transfer fees are overrated.
He’s proving that a hard working well drilled/ organised “team” working with great character and will to win
will always overcome better individuals.....there’s much more to winning football matches than pure ability.
 
SirNibletsO'Korne said:
Apologies if this is anywhere else, but it fucking wound me up. Just read his article in The Mirror bemoaning that the Premier League isn't what is was 20 years ago (which, surprise surprise is when he was still plying his trade I suppose).
I'll not ruin it if you can't wait to read Stans words of wisdom, but he finishes by saying (and I quote)
"Sheffield United are a decent team but they shouldn't be anywhere near the top five or six"
Yeah, thanks Stan. I wasn't aware doing well in the league wasn't allowed, so if I need to read insightful, clever football stuff I'll read somebody else from now on.
If I need to know about knocking women about,I'll look to you for advice eh?
Wanker...
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SirNibletsO'Korne said:
Apologies if this is anywhere else, but it fucking wound me up. Just read his article in The Mirror bemoaning that the Premier League isn't what is was 20 years ago (which, surprise surprise is when he was still plying his trade I suppose).
I'll not ruin it if you can't wait to read Stans words of wisdom, but he finishes by saying (and I quote)
"Sheffield United are a decent team but they shouldn't be anywhere near the top five or six"
Yeah, thanks Stan. I wasn't aware doing well in the league wasn't allowed, so if I need to read insightful, clever football stuff I'll read somebody else from now on.
If I need to know about knocking women about,I'll look to you for advice eh?
Wanker...
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Apparently he packs a right punch, some of his women allegedly say😊
 
Well we shouldn't be anywhere near the top six, but we are. Leicester shouldn't have won the PL title, but they did. Next season we could be mid-table/relegation fodder and these pundits will be telling us they were right all along
 
Who cares? Some bloke who’s known mainly for never fulfilling his potential and twatting a woman says ‘things were better in my day’.

The top flight must have been shit in the 70s then because Clough smashed it with Derby and Forest.
 
Don’t feel affronted by what anyone writes, but poor state of Prem ?
Last season all four of the European Finalists were English clubs, by definition it’s a strong league , and we are competing well
 
S12 Blade said:
Well we shouldn't be anywhere near the top six, but we are. Leicester shouldn't have won the PL title, but they did. Next season we could be mid-table/relegation fodder and these pundits will be telling us they were right all along
[/QUOTE He doesn't understand it's called progress because he's as thick as shit! He's like the other so called pundits they want the same boring 6 at the top year on year it also keeps him in the limelight.
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what a wanker. He played 252 league games, only 64 of them for Liverpool, the rest for massives like forest, villa, southend and bradford.
 
Bugboyblade said:
If we shouldn't be anywhere near the top six who should be?
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Arsenal and Man U. That’s what it all comes down to. 20 years ago, the question was who’ll win the league, Man U or Arsenal? However, their complacency has led to incompetence as they sleepwalk into mid table mediocrity.
Us, Wolves and Leicester are running our clubs far more efficiently than the big dogs, because we have to, we can’t spend our way out of trouble. If Man U and Arsenal get their acts together they should blow us all away. Will they? No idea.
 

ThroughThinAndThinner said:
We were doomed to failure. Lowest points for relegation ever.

Now we’re doing well, it’s the worst league in years.

It’s like there’s a journalist school in Hillsborough they’ve all attended!
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Spot on.

Cast your mind back just 2 years when 'La Liga' suddenly became one of the 'worst Championships in recent years'.

Bouncing Day and Duffy's goal really knocked them sideways, so even double doses of deludamol don't have the same effect these days.
 
There aren’t many journos, ex players or managers out there that have figured the game out yet.
That’s probably why they aren’t managers.

They all still think it’s just about the players, those individuals who are better than everyone else as individuals. They still haven’t sussed out this game is about 11 players, playing in an organised way to make the most of whatever talent that individual has and create a “team”.
They think it’s about talent...and talent alone. But you only need to look at hugely talented and quality players who simply fail at certain clubs. Just about any player going to Man U in the last 5 years for a starter. And that’s due to poor recruitment of players to fit a team that has no identity, way of playing or long term plan.
Amazing really given all of them as ex pro’s and managers will have spent hours of their lives studying tactics and systems that they cannot see this.

He’s a nobody. And the only ones who think he might have relevant and knowledgeable views are those who have literally no idea. When Wilder gets his hands on players with those talents watch his team (hopefully us!) be a major force in the game.

So ignore him, laugh at his stupidity and remind yourself he’s just a bloke paid a salary to think of something to say.
Listen to the Colin Murray interview if you want an insightful and honest view on the game.
 
I remember Leicester getting shit like this thrown at them when they won the league. The pundits and journalists in this country are remarkably arrogant on the whole and know very little about anything outside the usual top 6. It probably worries them a little that teams they know nothing about may break into the top 6 and their lack of knowledge on them will be shown up.


It's why the likes of Colin Murray stand out so much. He's a fan of Liverpool but completely gets the romance of the smaller clubs being successful. He knows that is what makes this game great. Most of the pricks who do the Sunday Supplement seem to think we all believe it's a national tragedy that Man U or Arsenal aren't doing that well and that Leeds deserve to be in the top flight because they were successful once. They are so far removed from the average fan and so ignorant of smaller clubs it's embarrassing.
 
Grizzly blade said:
There aren’t many journos, ex players or managers out there that have figured the game out yet.
That’s probably why they aren’t managers.

They all still think it’s just about the players, those individuals who are better than everyone else as individuals. They still haven’t sussed out this game is about 11 players, playing in an organised way to make the most of whatever talent that individual has and create a “team”.
They think it’s about talent...and talent alone. But you only need to look at hugely talented and quality players who simply fail at certain clubs. Just about any player going to Man U in the last 5 years for a starter. And that’s due to poor recruitment of players to fit a team that has no identity, way of playing or long term plan.
Amazing really given all of them as ex pro’s and managers will have spent hours of their lives studying tactics and systems that they cannot see this.

He’s a nobody. And the only ones who think he might have relevant and knowledgeable views are those who have literally no idea. When Wilder gets his hands on players with those talents watch his team (hopefully us!) be a major force in the game.

So ignore him, laugh at his stupidity and remind yourself he’s just a bloke paid a salary to think of something to say.
Listen to the Colin Murray interview if you want an insightful and honest view on the game.
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The principles have always been the same. Wilder uses a very similar recruitment criteria to Shankly. Maybe if Collymore analysed why the Liverpool team he played in never won the league he’ll work out why we’re doing well.
Or maybe he knows that really and is just saying things for effect.
 
DerbyStar said:
Us, Leicester and Wolves. Coming over here, threatening the top 6's natural order. Fucking disgrace. Know your place.
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They think it's a shit season if the big clubs aren't at the top. It's as simple as that. We all cheered as neutrals when Leicester won the league. It showed that even in the days of huge spending power, fairytales could still happen in the game. How did most of the pundits spin it? "Leicester took advantage of poor Liverpool, Man City , Arsenal and Man Utd teams". If the big clubs can't get their shit together it doesn't mean it's a poor league. It just means the big clubs aren't as good as people want them to be.
 
Grizzly blade said:
There aren’t many journos, ex players or managers out there that have figured the game out yet.
That’s probably why they aren’t managers.

They all still think it’s just about the players, those individuals who are better than everyone else as individuals. They still haven’t sussed out this game is about 11 players, playing in an organised way to make the most of whatever talent that individual has and create a “team”.
They think it’s about talent...and talent alone. But you only need to look at hugely talented and quality players who simply fail at certain clubs. Just about any player going to Man U in the last 5 years for a starter. And that’s due to poor recruitment of players to fit a team that has no identity, way of playing or long term plan.
Amazing really given all of them as ex pro’s and managers will have spent hours of their lives studying tactics and systems that they cannot see this.

He’s a nobody. And the only ones who think he might have relevant and knowledgeable views are those who have literally no idea. When Wilder gets his hands on players with those talents watch his team (hopefully us!) be a major force in the game.

So ignore him, laugh at his stupidity and remind yourself he’s just a bloke paid a salary to think of something to say.
Listen to the Colin Murray interview if you want an insightful and honest view on the game.
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Colin Murray is clever, knowledgeable and funny.
Everything Collymore isn't.
 
He seems to be saying that because the division is very close outside the top two that it means the game is either less competitive or a lower quality. Except that doesn't make sense because it's exactly what you'd expect to see if all the clubs were of a very high standard. The only conclusion you can draw that there isn't a large difference in quality between the sides, but that doesn't say whether it's because they're all good, bad, or indifferent.

Basically, it's nonsense.
 
Roygbiv said:
They think it's a shit season if the big clubs aren't at the top. It's as simple as that. We all cheered as neutrals when Leicester won the league. It showed that even in the days of huge spending power, fairytales could still happen in the game. How did most of the pundits spin it? "Leicester took advantage of poor Liverpool, Man City , Arsenal and Man Utd teams". If the big clubs can't get their shit together it doesn't mean it's a poor league. It just means the big clubs aren't as good as people want them to be.
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In other words they are using the Wednesday fan excuse.
 
Grizzly blade said:
There aren’t many journos, ex players or managers out there that have figured the game out yet.
That’s probably why they aren’t managers.

They all still think it’s just about the players, those individuals who are better than everyone else as individuals. They still haven’t sussed out this game is about 11 players, playing in an organised way to make the most of whatever talent that individual has and create a “team”.
They think it’s about talent...and talent alone. But you only need to look at hugely talented and quality players who simply fail at certain clubs. Just about any player going to Man U in the last 5 years for a starter. And that’s due to poor recruitment of players to fit a team that has no identity, way of playing or long term plan.
Amazing really given all of them as ex pro’s and managers will have spent hours of their lives studying tactics and systems that they cannot see this.

He’s a nobody. And the only ones who think he might have relevant and knowledgeable views are those who have literally no idea. When Wilder gets his hands on players with those talents watch his team (hopefully us!) be a major force in the game.

So ignore him, laugh at his stupidity and remind yourself he’s just a bloke paid a salary to think of something to say.
Listen to the Colin Murray interview if you want an insightful and honest view on the game.
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Really agree.....think it’s to do with the “instant gratification“, quick fix generation.
The PL has so much money that it’s lead to LAZY recruitment and LAZY management.
Another factor is the PL and Championship now tend to have foreign style first team coaches....instead of managers in full control of virtually everything.

The fashion these days is almost like playing the Football Manager game.
You draw up a list of who’s available...then appoint the person with the best individual stats....or someone recommended by an agent who promises favours.

Wilder has spent almost all his management career with no money....at a very modest level.
So he‘s learnt team spirit, winning mentality, physical effort can often overcome more talented players.
He’s just taken these values into the PL and standing out because football management in the PL has changed so much over the last 10 years.
 
SirNibletsO'Korne said:
Apologies if this is anywhere else, but it fucking wound me up. Just read his article in The Mirror bemoaning that the Premier League isn't what is was 20 years ago (which, surprise surprise is when he was still plying his trade I suppose).
I'll not ruin it if you can't wait to read Stans words of wisdom, but he finishes by saying (and I quote)
"Sheffield United are a decent team but they shouldn't be anywhere near the top five or six"
Yeah, thanks Stan. I wasn't aware doing well in the league wasn't allowed, so if I need to read insightful, clever football stuff I'll read somebody else from now on.
If I need to know about knocking women about,I'll look to you for advice eh?
Wanker...
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I find that one of the delights of getting older (and some people have this from a much earlier age than me) is simply not giving a flying fuck about what cunts think of me.
 

PokerBlade said:
He seems to be saying that because the division is very close outside the top two that it means the game is either less competitive or a lower quality. Except that doesn't make sense because it's exactly what you'd expect to see if all the clubs were of a very high standard. The only conclusion you can draw that there isn't a large difference in quality between the sides, but that doesn't say whether it's because they're all good, bad, or indifferent.

Basically, it's nonsense.
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I can never understand why pundits use that false logic. So in a strong league, do all the teams win all of their games? And in a weak league, all the teams lose all of their games? It doesn't make any sense.

The only real way of telling how 'strong' a league is, is by comparing it to some external league. This could be:

a) See how English teams get on in European competitions. 4 finalists out of 4 last year suggests that the Premier League is very strong. This year, all four English teams have qualified from the group stages. All three English teams are still in the Europa league. Again, this suggests that the league is strong.
b) See how the promoted/relegated teams do. Norwich (last year's champions in the Championship) have struggled badly and Villa with huge investment are in the bottom four. This suggests that the league is too strong for them. Of the relegated teams, it's much harder to tell, because Huddersfield and Cardiff have lost a lot of their best players from last season. Fulham kept quite a few and are third.

So, almost all of the evidence points towards it being a strong league. The only real evidence that 'contradicts' that is the fact that we are doing well.

Fan's of the Occam's Razor Principle will know that we can now go down two routes:

Option 1: Concoct a series of convoluted and unsubstantiated arguments to explain why the league is actually very weak this year, despite all of the contradictory evidence.
Option 2: Accept that Sheffield United are just doing very well.
 
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