Stadium Development

[Booker4]

New stadium shouldn't be on the cards because A it will cost upwards of £500m, probably more, and B we don't need one!

We should redevelop BL which I'm sure will happen if we get promoted and maybe look like staying up but that's the hard part.

The kop obviously is the stance most in need for redevelopment but I can't see much happening unless we're an established PL side.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Did you ever go to Filbert Street? The Dell? Burnden Park? They were complete dumps! I struggle to see how you can suggest the old falling to bits stadiums were better.

The old stadiums have character and history, but that’s it.

Agree…..I watched a few Everton Bramley Dock 1st opening videos on YouTube last night.

The consistent feedback was…..they loved Goodison Park, so many memories and they never wanted to leave
But they all said this new stadium at Bromley Dock is just stunning inside, a stunning location, on a totally different level.
Almost like going to posh theatre instead of watching a 80’s style football match.

It made me think….is tradition and nostalgia overrated? Must admit it does look a very impressive stadium.
It had a bit of character and wasn’t a boring bowl like many of the others.

However regards Sheff Utd I’d prefer to remain at Bramall Lane because if offers so many advantages.
City centre location, brilliant transport links and it has so much history.
Think rebuilding/ extending the Kop and putting a 2nd tier on the back of the South stand would be sufficient, it would be a modern 41K stadium then.

 

[b1ade4life]

Agree…..I watched a few Everton Bramley Dock 1st opening videos on YouTube last night.

The consistent feedback was…..they loved Goodison Park, so many memories and they never wanted to leave
But they all said this new stadium at Bromley Dock is just stunning, on a totally different level.
Almost like going to posh theatre instead of watching a 80’s style football match.

It made me think….is tradition and nostalgia overrated? Must admit it does look a very impressive stadium.
It had a bit of character and wasn’t a boring bowl like many of the others.

Everton getting a new plush stadium is like going to watch Mrs Browns boys the musical at the san siro

 

[Old Programme seller]

Been to Sunderland’s stadium a few times and yes they always get a good crowd but it does seem very tinny they made it so if they can get the big crowds of yesteryear they can build on reasonably easy and cheap unlike when Liverpool re developed Anfield apparently that cost a fortune Fenway wanted to move but in all fairness you can understand the fans wanting to stay there.

 

[yamyamblade]

Been to Sunderland’s stadium a few times and yes they always get a good crowd but it does seem very tinny they made it so if they can get the big crowds of yesteryear they can build on reasonably easy and cheap unlike when Liverpool re developed Anfield apparently that cost a fortune Fenway wanted to move but in all fairness you can understand the fans wanting to stay there.

Went Corporate at SOL and the quality of everything was excellent and speaking to some locals and employees it is reasonably busy most weeks with events etc so that is the side that also brings income to the Club.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Have any clubs retained their old grounds?

And do any of the new grounds have a decent atmosphere.

West Ham's ground in particular is completely soulless compared to Upton Park, but the Stadium of Light had a good atmosphere - though it helps when the opposition, us, gifts the home team, them, a couple of goals.

It seems harder to build a new ground and give it atmosphere.

Liverpool, Newcastle, Villa,Man Utd still have their iconic grounds (at the time of writing).

 

[Classof85]

Think i've said it before, if we get to point where we have redeveloped the south stand and kop and need further development we could always purchase the land behind the Bramall Lane end and build up and over the road creating a tunned for the existing road, and for John St buy up the houses on the land behind to add on an extra tier

 

[HarryHaslam]

I have sometimes wondered if we could rebuild huge South and Kop stands. Perhaps even a giant L shape thing that's fully connected in some way (not accessibly connected obviously).

The other two stands are on the roads. Can't really do much except upgrade facilities etc within them(?).

Well one of the stands on a road (John st) had no problem previously when knocking down a whole stand and building a new one from scratch so it shouldn’t be a problem were it to happen once again. Granted the Bramall Lane stand is the problem but if we had the money to build a completely new L shape on one side or even three sides (with John st) then we would certainly have the money to go all the way and build a whole new stadium, and the very simple solution for the Bramall Lane end is to rotate the pitch giving a much larger building footprint and making it easily doable for the Bramall Lane side.

Unless there is a billionaire lurking in the background we can only dream.

 

[AnglesWithDirtyFaces]

Think i've said it before, if we get to point where we have redeveloped the south stand and kop and need further development we could always purchase the land behind the Bramall Lane end and build up and over the road creating a tunned for the existing road, and for John St buy up the houses on the land behind to add on an extra tier

Classof 85, I was thinking the same about building the Bramall Lane end over the road, to me this would be the obvious thing to do, but being uneducated in architecture and planning permissions, would this be allowed.

If it would be allowed, I can see that working for that stand.

 

[Norwood's 6 iron]

Agree…..I watched a few Everton Bramley Dock 1st opening videos on YouTube last night.

The consistent feedback was…..they loved Goodison Park, so many memories and they never wanted to leave
But they all said this new stadium at Bromley Dock is just stunning inside, a stunning location, on a totally different level.
Almost like going to posh theatre instead of watching a 80’s style football match.

It made me think….is tradition and nostalgia overrated? Must admit it does look a very impressive stadium.
It had a bit of character and wasn’t a boring bowl like many of the others.

However regards Sheff Utd I’d prefer to remain at Bramall Lane because if offers so many advantages.
City centre location, brilliant transport links and it has so much history.
Think rebuilding/ extending the Kop and putting a 2nd tier on the back of the South stand would be sufficient, it would be a modern 41K stadium then.

Like on several occasions, the club missed the opportunity to really develop the ground. The whole site, which the club now owns, must be one of the biggest inner city football grounds in the country. I just feel we haven't made the most of it.
Even now I would like to see plans to knock the south stand down and turn the pitch 90 degrees.
It would give the opportunity to develop all 4 stands over a period of time. Of course it might be cheaper to knock it down and start again but it would be interesting to see what could be done.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Think i've said it before, if we get to point where we have redeveloped the south stand and kop and need further development we could always purchase the land behind the Bramall Lane end and build up and over the road creating a tunned for the existing road, and for John St buy up the houses on the land behind to add on an extra tier

Any idea of cost? In millions that is, not loose change.

 

[KeyffSmyff]

At some point a percentage of income has to go into non team resources and stadium development. Otherwise we will end up like the neighbours. At what point and how much is anyone's guess. Previous suggestion of a new stadium being built at 90 degrees and part built along Shoreham St would be an interesting compromise.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Just been reading the thread on Mondays game. which I would hasten to add is probably the most important game of this season, which we can not sell out. I doubt we will expanding the ground anytime soon.

 

[Classof85]

Any idea of cost? In millions that is, not loose change.

Thats outside my areas of expertise but imagine it would be costly but if we got to a position where we were looking id imagine the cost wouldnt be a restricting factor

 

[bladesmanluke]

Would have thought a little matter like the team would come first, if that fails all your left with is a parking lot......

Such a stupid argument to never develop your stadium. If every team listened to the likes of you all football clubs would still be playing on the same empty fields they were in the 19th century.

There's never going to be a perfect time where the team doesn't need to "come first"

 

[jimmymuir]

Did you ever go to Filbert Street? The Dell? Burnden Park? They were complete dumps! I struggle to see how you can suggest the old falling to bits stadiums were better.

The old stadiums have character and history, but that’s it.

Much rather go to a dump with character, than a soulless bowl with zero atmosphere.

 

[TJ blade]

Just been reading the thread on Mondays game. which I would hasten to add is probably the most important game of this season, which we can not sell out. I doubt we will expanding the ground anytime soon.

Correct mate

 

[borbokis]

Agree…..I watched a few Everton Bramley Dock 1st opening videos on YouTube last night.

The consistent feedback was…..they loved Goodison Park, so many memories and they never wanted to leave
But they all said this new stadium at Bromley Dock is just stunning inside, a stunning location, on a totally different level.
Almost like going to posh theatre instead of watching a 80’s style football match.

It made me think….is tradition and nostalgia overrated? Must admit it does look a very impressive stadium.
It had a bit of character and wasn’t a boring bowl like many of the others.

However regards Sheff Utd I’d prefer to remain at Bramall Lane because if offers so many advantages.
City centre location, brilliant transport links and it has so much history.
Think rebuilding/ extending the Kop and putting a 2nd tier on the back of the South stand would be sufficient, it would be a modern 41K stadium then.

Nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be.

I think the days of people paying 2 bob to stand and watch a game in the pissing rain in a stand made of concrete and corrugated iron have long since passed. If you want to attract more people and have the ground make money and be useful all year round it needs to be comfortable and have modern facilities

 

[Isar]

Correct mate

Disagree. The potential to increase the fanbase is there. A developed stadium with increased capacity would be a long term benefit.
This club could really take off if the new owners push it forward.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Liverpool, Newcastle, Villa,Man Utd still have their iconic grounds (at the time of writing).

Inserting the disclaimer was interesting - were you concerned one of those clubs might have announced and built a new stadium by the time you’d finished?

 

[TJ blade]

Disagree. The potential to increase the fanbase is there. A developed stadium with increased capacity would be a long term benefit.
This club could really take off if the new owners push it forward.

Get were your coming from mate, but I've been told the reason we can't sell out Monday's game is because tickets are expensive, and half of sheffield are on low wages. And due to economic situation can't afford it. So it's not going to happen long term with blades fans!

 

[Isar]

Get were your coming from mate, but I've been told the reason we can't sell out Monday's game is because tickets are expensive, and half of sheffield are on low wages. And due to economic situation can't afford it. So it's not going to happen long term with blades fans!

I think this topic could be argued back and forth. Economics play a part.
I firmly believe that there's scope to increase the fan base. I am still in the optimistic camp of the new owners having done their homework and will put this club firmly in the Premier League.
The rest would take care of itself.
I also think Sheffielders do have a glass half empty mentality, a bit suspicious of anything that seems too good.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

The Everton stadium does look pretty impressive TBF.

Can’t say I’m too impressed. Doesn’t look much different to many others to me. Tottenhams though…

 

[Gin&Juice]

bin told weer moving to Waverley.

fucking fight me

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Inserting the disclaimer was interesting - were you concerned one of those clubs might have announced and built a new stadium by the time you’d finished?

Man United are talking about a new stadium

 

[Isar]

Can’t say I’m too impressed. Doesn’t look much different to many others to me. Tottenhams though…

I thought it looked great, nice steep stands. Reminds me of some of the German stadiums.
I bet the Everton fans will create a great atmosphere, the initial responses seem positive.

 

[FriethBlade]

At some point a percentage of income has to go into non team resources and stadium development. Otherwise we will end up like the neighbours. At what point and how much is anyone's guess. Previous suggestion of a new stadium being built at 90 degrees and part built along Shoreham St would be an interesting compromise.

That would involve moving to someone else's stadium for at least one if not two seasons.

I'm not necessarily against that and I think the ideal compromise is redeveloping into a 40-45k seater stadium. We don't need any bigger so i think there is no point of relocating and spending 100s of millions on a 60k seater that we will never fill.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Bollocks to a singing section, I want a zip line

Nagasaki new stadium

 

[Blade56]

Just open a a Wateralls pork pie shop in lieu of the feckin hot dog turds in dried up bread at £5.50 a pop

 

[Grey Blade]

Going back to the opening post. Are those plans still in Place? I'd forgotten about them. If the South Stand was developed, could part of the kop be removed and the south stand taken round the corner - allowing part of the kop to be kept open whist construction takes place. Once that's completed the rest of the kop could be removed and connected to the existing south stand + corner (assuming there aren't really unexploded bombs there).
I'm no building expert though!