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NotFallowfieldBlade said:
Went down to the lane to get a ticket for Fallowfield Jnr's first game this week and it is £20 for a 3-year-old which is bonkers

Had to double-check the lad at the ticket office, and they have done away with a junior ticket an 18-year-old will pay the same as a 3-year-old

Great way to attract the next generation of blades it should be free IMO £5/10 max for all juniors
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That is insane.

Should be free.
 
Lama said:
I don’t need to check the threads to know that all the discussion about immigration, Southport and the other assorted bollocks doesn’t belong on General Blades Chat.
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I'm with you now. I haven't read every single post so I've missed the posts you're on about, and yes, ideally such comments ought to be made elsewhere. However, when the forum was set up, it was intended to be a reflection of typical conversations that you might get in a pub and you know what happens in pub conversations. Start off on one topic and you often get distracted. You'll get used to it.
 
Scoips said:
I'm intrigued that you think that the people in charge of ticketing policy and marketing at Bramall Lane have the capacity to think so strategically. On balance I think the evidence points to the reason for us selling 3 to 4,000 less tickets than we ought to be selling is utter incompetence or just bone idleness.
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And prices
 
NotFallowfieldBlade said:
Went down to the lane to get a ticket for Fallowfield Jnr's first game this week and it is £20 for a 3-year-old which is bonkers

Had to double-check the lad at the ticket office, and they have done away with a junior ticket an 18-year-old will pay the same as a 3-year-old

Great way to attract the next generation of blades it should be free IMO £5/10 max for all juniors
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Or at least bring back kid for a quid even if that’s a add on to an existing season ticket holder
 
Keen Blade said:
And prices
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I was including pricing as a function within 'ticketing policy and marketing.' I agree that ticket prices are far too high, particularly match day tickets, but I also believe we would have had 1-2,000 more season ticket sales if prices had been frozen or increased by less than inflation. I laughed on Saturday when they displayed the names of people for whom this was their first match. There were about five names on the board. They failed to tell you about the 2,000 who tried but failed get past the club's North Korean style bureaucracy and 'security checks.'
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I see Luton are looking to build a new 25k capacity Stadium.

www.bbc.com

Luton Town Football Club submits plans for new ground

New images show what The Hatters' new home could look like.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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But, but, but why?????
They don't even fill their current 12,000 capacity say the fans of two football clubs in Sheffield

But watch them get 24,750 when it's done, they still won't sell out completely because nobody ever does, including Man City, Man Utd and Liverpool, but it doesn't mean they won't almost sell out an even bigger stadium
 
Scoips said:
I was including pricing as a function within 'ticketing policy and marketing.' I agree that ticket prices are far too high, particularly match day tickets, but I also believe we would have had 1-2,000 more season ticket sales if prices had been frozen or increased by less than inflation. I laughed on Saturday when they displayed the names of people for whom this was their first match. There were about five names on the board. They failed to tell you about the 2,000 who tried but failed get past the club's North Korean style bureaucracy and 'security checks.'
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Good points.
Re STs , I know they were available for existing members this summer but I don't recall them going to general sale.
So I think the club deliberately limit their sales.
Re match tickets , I think they are too expensive for most people.
The club might say it has to maximise revenue and ST holders don't want their "discount" eroding but my answer to those two points is :

1. We sold only 3k home match tickets v Derby. Dropping from c£40 to c£30 would lose £30k. But 1k extra tickets sold would recoup that £30k AND potentially get 1k more people interested in coming to some matches , especially how we are currently playing.
It is very disappointing to see the BLUT only half-full for such an attractive fixture. Also , I dunno why so many seats on there are described as RV (at the John St side) , imo they're not.
2. At c£30 for a match ticket , there is still a substantial saving for STs.

This is why I am sceptical about ground expansion - the club doesn't seem to be bothered about filling the Lane as it is. So where is the ROI to justify investment ?
Dropping match tickets to c£30 would really test the market - if we can't sell-out at c£30 , just forget expansion.
Some on here say "build it and they will come" , but there is no better view in football than from the BLUT , so if we can't fill it now , why do they expect us to get bigger gates from a bit more capacity ?
 
Keen Blade said:
Good points.
Re STs , I know they were available for existing members this summer but I don't recall them going to general sale.
So I think the club deliberately limit their sales.
Re match tickets , I think they are too expensive for most people.
The club might say it has to maximise revenue and ST holders don't want their "discount" eroding but my answer to those two points is :

1. We sold only 3k home match tickets v Derby. Dropping from c£40 to c£30 would lose £30k. But 1k extra tickets sold would recoup that £30k AND potentially get 1k more people interested in coming to some matches , especially how we are currently playing.
It is very disappointing to see the BLUT only half-full for such an attractive fixture. Also , I dunno why so many seats on there are described as RV (at the John St side) , imo they're not.
2. At c£30 for a match ticket , there is still a substantial saving for STs.

This is why I am sceptical about ground expansion - the club doesn't seem to be bothered about filling the Lane as it is. So where is the ROI to justify investment ?
Dropping match tickets to c£30 would really test the market - if we can't sell-out at c£30 , just forget expansion.
Some on here say "build it and they will come" , but there is no better view in football than from the BLUT , so if we can't fill it now , why do they expect us to get bigger gates from a bit more capacity ?
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Probably right in what you say!what surprised me on Saturday was the crowd I can usually tell when there are 30,000 in the ground judging it by the usually empty seats ! I got it wrong sat as I thought we had hit the 30,000 mark.
I was 2,000 out which surprised me.
 
What match day experience are people expecting from these improvements, where they'd be away from watching matches for 1 or 2 seasons?
I don't understand it.
I want to see us improve I'm areas that need it. Kop pillar removal, concourses etc.
But if I got a reclining massage chair, with drinks dispenser, I wouldn't give up a couple of seasons attendance to get it.
 

Forest, Everton, Bristol City, Leeds, Palace, Fulham, 6 clubs not a million miles from the pool in which we swim in recent years (2 of them relatively local) all planning or close to completing major stadium improvements. As much as we love the Lane, status as a club is quite closely tied to the stadium in which it plays. We really need to bring Bramall Lane kicking and screaming into the 21st century and at the very least do something with that fucking disgrace of a kop, making use of the space underneath and behind it as well.
 
Blade for Sale said:
Forest, Everton, Bristol City, Leeds, Palace, Fulham, 6 clubs not a million miles from the pool in which we swim in recent years (2 of them relatively local) all planning or close to completing major stadium improvements. As much as we love the Lane, status as a club is quite closely tied to the stadium in which it plays. We really need to bring Bramall Lane kicking and screaming into the 21st century and at the very least do something with that fucking disgrace of a kop, making use of the space underneath and behind it as well.
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It’s the Sheffield psyche I’m afraid. Scared of change… Then complain that the cities you mention are all better places.
 
Keen Blade said:
Good points.
Re STs , I know they were available for existing members this summer but I don't recall them going to general sale.
So I think the club deliberately limit their sales.
Re match tickets , I think they are too expensive for most people.
The club might say it has to maximise revenue and ST holders don't want their "discount" eroding but my answer to those two points is :

1. We sold only 3k home match tickets v Derby. Dropping from c£40 to c£30 would lose £30k. But 1k extra tickets sold would recoup that £30k AND potentially get 1k more people interested in coming to some matches , especially how we are currently playing.
It is very disappointing to see the BLUT only half-full for such an attractive fixture. Also , I dunno why so many seats on there are described as RV (at the John St side) , imo they're not.
2. At c£30 for a match ticket , there is still a substantial saving for STs.

This is why I am sceptical about ground expansion - the club doesn't seem to be bothered about filling the Lane as it is. So where is the ROI to justify investment ?
Dropping match tickets to c£30 would really test the market - if we can't sell-out at c£30 , just forget expansion.
Some on here say "build it and they will come" , but there is no better view in football than from the BLUT , so if we can't fill it now , why do they expect us to get bigger gates from a bit more capacity ?
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Have you been up there? Yes you get great views but the facilities up there are piss poor. Queuing for halftime refreshments is ridiculous you could get to the queue 10minutes before halftime & still not get served by the time the 2nd half starts & the reason for that is that they serve piss (beer) in paper cups from a can ( at extortionate prices), it really does show it's age up there (concourse & bogs) not to mention that the seats towards John St are covered in bird shit that's the reason why i'll never go back up there, but still ...... Great views
 
NotFallowfieldBlade said:
Went down to the lane to get a ticket for Fallowfield Jnr's first game this week and it is £20 for a 3-year-old which is bonkers

Had to double-check the lad at the ticket office, and they have done away with a junior ticket an 18-year-old will pay the same as a 3-year-old

Great way to attract the next generation of blades it should be free IMO £5/10 max for all juniors
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Same for season tickets as well. My 4 year old paying same price as 18 year olds, think it was £180.
 
Blade for Sale said:
Forest, Everton, Bristol City, Leeds, Palace, Fulham, 6 clubs not a million miles from the pool in which we swim in recent years (2 of them relatively local) all planning or close to completing major stadium improvements. As much as we love the Lane, status as a club is quite closely tied to the stadium in which it plays. We really need to bring Bramall Lane kicking and screaming into the 21st century and at the very least do something with that fucking disgrace of a kop, making use of the space underneath and behind it as well.
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In reality, the ground is fit for purpose as a whole, it’s safe in modern terms. So, generally speaking it’s fine.

The problem as you say, is the kop. Which is also fit for purpose in all criteria. So where is the solution that needs a problem? Well the facilities, seat sizes and spacing, the rake, the pillars….

The irony is that if we’d rebuilt the kop and added a tier to the south stand when we went up under Warnock or when the first plans came out for the all new lane back in the 90’s or even when McCabe and the Prince drew up the new kop and south stand, it would probably not meet todays needs.

Like HS2, like so much town planning, we need to develop something for future needs.
The kop proves that, for many of us we’re happy to watch our team in the rawest form.

I guess nowadays it’s fanzones, fast pour, good food, fancy bogs and light/ sound shows in the fan experience.

As long as I can get in 10 mins after kick off when I’m pissed and leave easily at halftime when we’re 0-5 down I’m happy
 
Blade for Sale said:
Forest, Everton, Bristol City, Leeds, Palace, Fulham, 6 clubs not a million miles from the pool in which we swim in recent years (2 of them relatively local) all planning or close to completing major stadium improvements. As much as we love the Lane, status as a club is quite closely tied to the stadium in which it plays. We really need to bring Bramall Lane kicking and screaming into the 21st century and at the very least do something with that fucking disgrace of a kop, making use of the space underneath and behind it as well.
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100% agree with this although we don't have the "trendy Thames" to sell. Fulham have been very clever in building their hospitality stand around "The Fulham Pier"/Riverside Development (depends which stage you are looking at) which is a very good way of getting non match day income with cafes and restaurants using the stand space and hospitality areas and a small club for things like small stand-up comedy clubs etc and then they have the roof terrace with bar and even members club and swimming pool.

Yes Fulham is in a completely difference market in terms of customer base but coffee shops and restaurants could easily work within a larger build of Cherry Street carpark. Leeds are in a go bust or go home mentality and if it does go wrong, even when they were in the bottom end of the Championship they were struggling with 25,000 never mind when they dropped to League 1. They do have a lot of space around Elland Road but the major problem they have apart from it being in a complete dump is that it is nowhere near anywhere, its got good links to get out of Leeds by car but nothing else. Beeston doesn't offer anything to anyone, they are still clinging on to yesterday and the 70s.
 
fantastic pricing for our season tickets but im afraid its exactly what ive been saying for ages on here far too high pricing for match day tickets thats why were not getting 30k plus crowds
 
ancientblade said:
fantastic pricing for our season tickets but im afraid its exactly what ive been saying for ages on here far too high pricing for match day tickets thats why were not getting 30k plus crowds
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Agreed I think it’s the “combo factor” for me as I am at an age where the kids or the wife “don’t find me cool” its often just me and a mate I don’t mind paying £30+ for a ticket but if I had to take the family and it’s over £100 just for the tickets it becomes a very expensive day
 
S64 Blade said:
It’s the Sheffield psyche I’m afraid. Scared of change… Then complain that the cities you mention are all better places.
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If you think Fulham and Sheffield are similar places, and Everton is a model to follow, then I don't think you know much. That's not the Sheffield psyche speaking btw.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I see Luton are looking to build a new 25k capacity Stadium.

www.bbc.com

Luton Town Football Club submits plans for new ground

New images show what The Hatters' new home could look like.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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£100m to build a 25k seater capacity of that spec.
Very impressive.

Does make one wonder if we were to get promoted again whether we'd be better off accepting our fate (to an extent) and utilising the £30/40m towards ground improvements.
Saddens me somewhat that there's no legacy from our trips up to the PL.
 

Keen Blade said:
Good points.
Re STs , I know they were available for existing members this summer but I don't recall them going to general sale.
So I think the club deliberately limit their sales.
Re match tickets , I think they are too expensive for most people.
The club might say it has to maximise revenue and ST holders don't want their "discount" eroding but my answer to those two points is :

1. We sold only 3k home match tickets v Derby. Dropping from c£40 to c£30 would lose £30k. But 1k extra tickets sold would recoup that £30k AND potentially get 1k more people interested in coming to some matches , especially how we are currently playing.
It is very disappointing to see the BLUT only half-full for such an attractive fixture. Also , I dunno why so many seats on there are described as RV (at the John St side) , imo they're not.
2. At c£30 for a match ticket , there is still a substantial saving for STs.

This is why I am sceptical about ground expansion - the club doesn't seem to be bothered about filling the Lane as it is. So where is the ROI to justify investment ?
Dropping match tickets to c£30 would really test the market - if we can't sell-out at c£30 , just forget expansion.
Some on here say "build it and they will come" , but there is no better view in football than from the BLUT , so if we can't fill it now , why do they expect us to get bigger gates from a bit more capacity ?
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The thing that will test it is getting rid of the stupid one ticket per person policy.

At some point in time every club that has expanded their stadium has had to attract fans that have either never been before, or who haven't been for years, perhaps decades.

Now, put yourself inside someone shoes who is basically a United fan, but has never been or hasn't been for years. Why would this person go alone to a place he has never been to before?
 
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