Soumare, he makes me happy

[Balham]

If we decide that the Soumaré experiment is a failure (or not enough of a success) then we shake hands with him at the end of the season and wish him all the best. He'll have cost us €1m in loan fees and about €300k in wages for the season.

Compare and contrast with Tahith Chong and Mark McGuinness, each of whom is going to cost us more than that per season for the next four seasons on both transfer fees and wages - probably treble that in wages for each of them. Those two are down to Jamie Hoyland but let's not pretend that the current manager wasn't sounded out for an opinion on them.

Agree with all that. Not only is the article absurd but I actually rate Soumare.

Yes he’s been inconsistent and had a couple of moments. He’s also had a couple of cracking games - Stoke away stands out.

However, as you say, he’s positive in possession. He, without doubt, has something that both Arblaster and Peck don’t. A player like that, who looks to progress play with key, forward-thinking passes is naturally going to expose himself to making mistakes. Well, more than Peck and Arblaster who play much safer and rely more on magic from others. Soumare deserves credit for being more adventurous in his play.

Is he a culture carrier though because we all know that’s what will ultimately determine whether he can make a go of it here.

Hamer is the prime example (I am not saying Soumaré is at the same level as Hamer, before his detractors jump on me). Pass completion of ~70% but we accept it for the moments of brilliance.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

It would be mad to pay £10m for him so it's a good job that the compulsory purchase option is set at €7m and is triggered on promotion, at which point we'd receive an increase in revenue of £120m.

Ok it would be mad to pay €7m then. He's nowhere near good enough for this level never mind if we went up and he's already 23.

That's a hypothetical "how mad it would be".
Why not try a real life "how mad was it" ?
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How mad was it to pay more than £10 and a long contract for the utter numbskull , non-footballer that is Tom Cannon ?

Ok how mad was it to agree to sign this guy if we went up.

For DH to suddenly destroy a young athletic kid who's merely on loan , smacks of his total devotion to making money out of his Wilder books.

Well , just fuck off DH , you're as pathetic as the local rag for whom you write incessant bollocks and have the barefaced cheek to put stuff behind a paywall.

So over the top. Just hysterical Wilder guff.

There's a lot of mad signings in our squad so why pick on the youngest one who is in a foreign country and doing his best to forge a career, at least hes available to play ffs unlike some others

He's nowhere near the level and it becomes more obvious whenever he plays which happened at Portsmouth. He's also the one of the ridiculous summer signings they obviously thought make an impact, which is becoming more obvious it's not gonna hapen eaxh time he plays, hence the article.

 

[Carlton Blade]

The article is pretty much bang on for me. Little harsh with the dig at the end maybe. But I agree it's weird some folk rate him. His technique is awful and the good things he does are usually by accident after he's had to react to the ball bouncing off him. He epitomises the summer recruitment perfectly. Complete punts that were never going to come off. DH is correct about how mad it would be to have to pay £10m for this guy.

Everyone agrees the lad’s wasted his chance. That’s not in dispute.

What is being defended here is an article that openly mocks a player. "Bang on" you call it. It’s not analysis, it’s a hit piece, and one the author would never say to the player’s face.

If this had been written about a player Wilder actually signed or likes, you’d be straight on here arguing the opposite. The standards change depending on who it might reflect badly on.

You can criticise performance without pretending ridicule is insight, but that would mean dropping the need to promote certain people at all costs. It's boring

 

[Champagneblade]

Soumaré is only just 23 this past January.

He is new to the country and the language.

It takes time to adapt.

Seriki is a player I’ve got a lot of time rode, but early on, he was lucky not to give a penalty away against Forest in his debut game and let’s not dress it up, he got torn a new one away at Pompey.

Arblaster is coming back from injury and needs time to get up to speed and adapt to the rigours once more so Wilder calls for patience.

What about for a young lad in a foreign country for the first time at a new club in a different language and culture? No patience.

Remember Paul Coutts? Ended up being loved by the fans and had his own song. He was a total liability for the first two years.

What about Brooks? He was still in and out last year. Now he looks like a genuine star player.

Players need time. I’m not saying we rush Soumaré or we even buy him for the fixed fee. But he’s got room to improve in his game and some decent attributes to coach. Yes he gets caught in possession too much. That’s not so hard to eradicate with experience.

There should be an agenda for Sheffield United. There shouldn’t be an underlying agenda that anything bought under Bord cannot be salvaged and must be seen as tarnished goods.

 

[Bladesman]

Dreadful article. The absolute arrogance of him. He's appalling to listen to on co-comms and the only inexplicable thing as far as he's concerned is that anyone would pay to read shit like this that he writes.

As I said on Saturday, it was painful listening to him and Giddings on Radio Sheffield. Neither of them were paying enough attention to tell us what was going on during the match. Neither knew how much injury time had been added at the end as well. Danny had nothing really informative to add, Giddings may as well have commentated on his own.

Asaba is a 100 times better on co-comms and usually calls the game spot on.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Danny Hall hates Soumare & Ruben Selles.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Danny Hall hates Soumare

That’s enough alone to make me like Soumare

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Everyone agrees the lad’s wasted his chance. That’s not in dispute.

What is being defended here is an article that openly mocks a player. "Bang on" you call it. It’s not analysis, it’s a hit piece, and one the author would never say to the player’s face.

If this had been written about a player Wilder actually signed or likes, you’d be straight on here arguing the opposite. The standards change depending on who it might reflect badly on.

You can criticise performance without pretending ridicule is insight, but that would mean dropping the need to promote certain people at all costs. It's boring

Was it that bad? It's just the last paragraph that is maybe uncalled for but he's a journalist giving his opinion. He's just stating what most can see as you say. Don't think it's a hit piece at all.

If you think I'd be jumping to the defence of Cannon you are sadly mistaken. I've never defended Cannon because I think he was a terrible signing. Far better than Soumaré but still.

Dont really know who you referring to when you say promote certain people at all costs. The hate to every local journalist/radio presenters is weird.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Was it that bad? It's just the last paragraph that is maybe uncalled for but he's a journalist giving his opinion. He's just stating what most can see as you say. Don't think it's a hit piece at all.

If you think I'd be jumping to the defence of Cannon you are sadly mistaken. I've never defended Cannon because I think he was a terrible signing. Far better than Soumaré but still.

Dont really know who you referring to when you say promote certain people at all costs. The hate to every local journalist/radio presenters is weird.

Yes it was that bad, it was unprofessional. You're trying to deflect from that by pretending it’s about “hate” for journalists.

You're doing the same thing hdoes s in the article - "if you disagree with me, it's because you're too emotional". Nah, they're really poor words

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Yes it was that bad, it was unprofessional

Oh come off it. He's a journalist giving his opinion on what has been a very poor signing. What is unprofessional outside the last paragraph, that is fine anyway?

You're doing the same thing hdoes s in the article - "if you disagree with me, it's because you're too emotional".

Not really I just dont understand what is so bad about that article. I don't think its emotional to disagree on Soumare I think its not being able to see a player is way out of his depth.

Look at the nastiness in the comments about DH. They are miles worse than anything said in the article. Its such an average article.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Oh come off it. He's a journalist giving his opinion on what has been a very poor signing. What is unprofessional outside the last paragraph, that is fine anyway?


Not really I just dont understand what is so bad about that article. I don't think its emotional to disagree on Soumare I think its not being able to see a player is way out of his depth.

Look at the nastiness in the comments about DH. They are miles worse than anything said in the article. Its such an average article.

Even before the last paragraph, the article is peppered with sarcasm, unfair comparisons, and theatrical phrasing. It’s analysis disguised as ridicule, not something you’d say in a professional conversation with the player.

“Big Blades enigma” – Why? He's just not been good enough.
“Put out of his misery” – Makes a substitution sound like punishment, unnecessarily cruel.
“Inexplicably a vocal few” – Dismissing fans’ support in a sneering, condescending way.
“Short of match fitness, no doubt blowing a little and head spinning” Overly theatrical description of fatigue; more mockery.
“United careers are forged on consistency, not the chaos that Soumaré brings” – Turning a tactical observation into a personal jab.
Kalvin Phillips / Manchester City comparison – Completely unfair, comparing a Championship loanee to the world-class players Ohillips saw in training
Golf / Royal Birkdale analogy (“I could go to Royal Birkdale this weekend and break 100”) – Totally ridiculous metaphor; trivialises football performance and is irrelevant.

All of this could and should have been conveyed professionally and objectively. Hall has never written an article like this about any other player, and pre-emptively dismissing fans who question him as “inexplicable” is pure nonsense. Journalism shouldn’t be a personal attack wrapped in analysis.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Even before the last paragraph, the article is peppered with sarcasm, unfair comparisons, and theatrical phrasing. It’s analysis disguised as ridicule, not something you’d say in a professional conversation with the player.

“Big Blades enigma” – Why? He's just not been good enough.
“Put out of his misery” – Makes a substitution sound like punishment, unnecessarily cruel.
“Inexplicably a vocal few” – Dismissing fans’ support in a sneering, condescending way.
“Short of match fitness, no doubt blowing a little and head spinning” Overly theatrical description of fatigue; more mockery.
“United careers are forged on consistency, not the chaos that Soumaré brings” – Turning a tactical observation into a personal jab.
Kalvin Phillips / Manchester City comparison – Completely unfair, comparing a Championship loanee to the world-class players Ohillips saw in training
Golf / Royal Birkdale analogy (“I could go to Royal Birkdale this weekend and break 100”) – Totally ridiculous metaphor; trivialises football performance and is irrelevant.

All of this could and should have been conveyed professionally and objectively. Hall has never written an article like this about any other player, and pre-emptively dismissing fans who question him as “inexplicable” is pure nonsense. Journalism shouldn’t be a personal attack wrapped in analysis.

Inexplicably a vocal few” – Dismissing fans’ support in a sneering, condescending way.
After a brief chat with him last night condescending is very much the right terminology.
He couldn't understand why it was a poor poor article bordering on online bullying .

 

[Tongeincheek]

His last few appearances have been pretty poor - but on the flip side (in my opinion) he's one of very few players who can say that they put in some decent performances in our first 10 or so games this season (basically just him and Callum O'Hare, with occasional sprinklings of Tanganga).

I don't think he'll find his feet with us at this stage, but I've seen enough to feel like he will go on to have a good career elsewhere, maybe back in Portugal.

 

[Keen Blade]

Oh come off it. He's a journalist giving his opinion on what has been a very poor signing. What is unprofessional outside the last paragraph, that is fine anyway?


Not really I just dont understand what is so bad about that article. I don't think its emotional to disagree on Soumare I think its not being able to see a player is way out of his depth.

Look at the nastiness in the comments about DH. They are miles worse than anything said in the article. Its such an average article.

DH is in the media , publicly trashing a young footballer who cannot reply.
It's a disgusting bullying thing to do.
No wonder members of said public stand up and say so , in whatever terms they choose.
We don't have an audience following us in the media.
We're just individuals , sticking up for a player who's been bullied publicly.
Do you honestly think that CW is happy for one of his squad to be singled out in such a way ?
If so , you are a very strange fruit indeed.
Either DH has risked the wrath of CW and has a personal vendetta against the young lad ,
Or Wilder has been extremely disloyal to his own player by conniving in the article.
It's one or the other.
When have you ever seen such a piece written about our other "failures" ?