Sordell

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Have you seen the footage of it in real time or are you just basing your opinion on the photo. The photo should be ignored. It shows exactly what you think it should, it's a snapshot in time

From Coutts point of view that's an unfortunate choice of words.

I've said on a previous thread that sordell is slow, has very little skill and has the turning ability of a HGV. He's just a donkey who should be playing in the lower leagues. Utb

Don't worry in six months he will be.

 

[blade too long]

sorry but its part and parcel of football , players trying to block a shot lift their feet up , even us



breaks are rare its just bad luck , and the mechanics say its coutts power hitting a stuck out foot that broke his leg they always say on bad tackles hed have broke his leg IF the foot was planted ,which implies the force was applied from Coutts follow through on his shot

 

[spadge]

No matter if Sordell meant to hurt Coutts or not, which I believe he didn't. The challenge in today's game is not allowed and a red card. His stoods are showing and it's dangerous.

 

[blade too long]

studs are showing every time a player lifts his foot of the floor , are you implying football should be played using star walking or micheal jackson sliding
as I put above the blades go in with block tackles to stop shots all the time
its very misfortunate what happened to Coutts and im gutted about it, butit was accidental

 

[GaryHamsonsLeftBootLace]

The rules are stated as:

"Careless" means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making his challenge or that he acted without precaution - no further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless.

"Reckless" means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or the consequences for, his opponent - a player who plays in a reckless maneer shall be cautioned.

"Using excessive force" means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent - a player who uses excessive force shall be sent off.

"Playing in a dangerous manner" is defined as any action that, while trying to play the ball threatens injury to someone (including the player himself). Playing in a dangerous manner can only be regarded if there is no contact between the players.

Considering Sordell's foot was excessively high (half way up Coutt's shin, was excessively late (the ball was already 2/3 metres away on impact) and it was obviously putting Coutts in "danger of injury" because that's what happened, then Sordell should have been sent off or should be retrospectively disciplined as the referee was clearly blind or ball watching and didn't spot it at the time.

 

[blade too long]

But the laws state the offender going through the other player .But it was the other way round

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Committed challenge chasing down a shot. It was reckless and a free kick, definitely a booking, but possibly a red.

Coutts was unlucky based on where the player hit him as he was striking the ball.

Penalty. It was inside the box.

But I don't think it was a red. Yellow at worst. the type of block tackle you see in every game but that bit clumsier as it was being done by a forward.

 

[spadge]

what a load of crap. its dangerous play you see it every week, you simply can't go in to tackle like that so stop saying things for arguments sake.

 

[1889]

sorry but its part and parcel of football , players trying to block a shot lift their feet up , even us

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breaks are rare its just bad luck , and the mechanics say its coutts power hitting a stuck out foot that broke his leg they always say on bad tackles hed have broke his leg IF the foot was planted ,which implies the force was applied from Coutts follow through on his shot

Those two photos are in no way representative, or remotely similar to what happened between Coutts and Sordell, they only serve to show you are seriously missing the point.......

 

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Those two photos are in no way representative, or remotely similar to what happened between Coutts and Sordell, they only serve to show you are seriously missing the point.......

just showing boots in the air showing studs is common place, just in this case coutts leg made contact , at speed , from coutts , with it

simple physics
it was the force of Coutts follow through from shooting that broke his leg on a static boot , stuck out to block a shot
we see it in every game players closing down a shot,

how many times do you hear them say if his leg was planted itd broke his leg , its because a leg in the air wont break if its not travelling at speed ,
Coutts leg was the speed element here Sordells boot the fixed point the leg impacted with

 

[metalblade]

Watched it over and over, you do not block a shot the way Sordell did you raise your leg across the ball rather that point your studs at where the ball is coming from. That could only have one outcome whether he blocks the shot or not he is going to put his studs into the players leg in much the same way as a karate kick meant to take out someone at the knee, that twat knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[SwissBlade]

Penalty. It was inside the box.

But I don't think it was a red. Yellow at worst. the type of block tackle you see in every game but that bit clumsier as it was being done by a forward.

Hadn't actually checked if it was inside the box, good spot

 

[Davalon]

studs are showing every time a player lifts his foot of the floor , are you implying football should be played using star walking or micheal jackson sliding
as I put above the blades go in with block tackles to stop shots all the time
its very misfortunate what happened to Coutts and im gutted about it, butit was accidental

Some clearly should stick to Futsal.

 

[Davalon]

Seen footage now....
Player makes genuine attempt to block a possible goal bound shot, foot and shooters leg collide, sadly resulting in worst outcome.
100% of players would attempt that block in same circumstances.
I know I would.
Sad accident. Sadder it's our key player.

Too much common sense for this topic mate.

We're all sad for Couttsy and naturally concerned how it may affect us considering his contribution over the last year.

However it seems we must scream for Sordell to be hanged and wail about football Gods.

I'll await with interest the reaction the next time one of our players makes a similar challenge. Probably only have to wait until tomorrow night.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Watched it over and over, you do not block a shot the way Sordell did you raise your leg across the ball rather that point your studs at where the ball is coming from. That could only have one outcome whether he blocks the shot or not he is going to put his studs into the players leg in much the same way as a karate kick meant to take out someone at the knee, that twat knew exactly what he was doing.

Yes he did,a very nasty twat Sordell.

 

[1889]

just showing boots in the air showing studs is common place, just in this case coutts leg made contact , at speed , from coutts , with it

simple physics
it was the force of Coutts follow through from shooting that broke his leg on a static boot , stuck out to block a shot
we see it in every game players closing down a shot,

how many times do you hear them say if his leg was planted itd broke his leg , its because a leg in the air wont break if its not travelling at speed ,
Coutts leg was the speed element here Sordells boot the fixed point the leg impacted with

Yes players tackle and try to block a shot with their studs showing of course they do, it's all a part of the game and occasionally someone might get injured.

But this is totally different, very infrequently will you ever see anyone do what Sordell did, which was to brace his leg, position his studs in line with Coutts shin and wait for the impact created by the follow through from the shot.
I don't believe Sordell intended to break Coutts leg, (although more often than not if you lock your leg straight like he did that's usually what will happen) but he most definitely was not trying to block the shot and certainly made contact exactly where he was intending to make contact.

You know, if this was just an unintentional accident or an innocent coming together, why didn't Sordell stand over Coutts, get the attention of the ref and generally show some empathy. But he ran off to the halfway line to disassociate himself with what had happened, probably in fear of get sent off.

As for seeing this sort of tackle week in week out at Bramall Lane, I don't think so.

 

[Harrisblade]

I'm afraid it's a typical "I probably won't get the ball, but If I don't I'll bloody well slow the cunt down"
As they say, it's a physical game

see #29

 

[LJBlade]

Yes players tackle and try to block a shot with their studs showing of course they do, it's all a part of the game and occasionally someone might get injured.

But this is totally different, very infrequently will you ever see anyone do what Sordell did, which was to brace his leg, position his studs in line with Coutts shin and wait for the impact created by the follow through from the shot.
I don't believe Sordell intended to break Coutts leg, (although more often than not if you lock your leg straight like he did that's usually what will happen) but he most definitely was not trying to block the shot and certainly made contact exactly where he was intending to make contact.

You know, if this was just an unintentional accident or an innocent coming together, why didn't Sordell stand over Coutts, get the attention of the ref and generally show some empathy. But he ran off to the halfway line to disassociate himself with what had happened, probably in fear of get sent off.

As for seeing this sort of tackle week in week out at Bramall Lane, I don't think so.

I think you're overestimating the speed in which Sordell's brain functions as there's no way he's put that thought process together in the split second that the incident happened. Jake Wright carried out a much worse (and much later) tackle when we played Ipswich a few weeks ago but luckily it didn't result in a serious injury. Wright isn't the sort of person to intentionally hurt a player and there's no evidence that Sordell is either.

He didn't stand over Coutts because the play carried on. Did you notice that there was very little complaint or reaction from the United players on the pitch at the time?

 

[LJBlade]

Too much common sense for this topic mate.

We're all sad for Couttsy and naturally concerned how it may affect us considering his contribution over the last year.

However it seems we must scream for Sordell to be hanged and wail about football Gods.

I'll await with interest the reaction the next time one of our players makes a similar challenge. Probably only have to wait until tomorrow night.

Completely agree. If a United player had put that tackle in there would be many on here saying there was no intention. Also, if a United player hadn't attempted that tackle and the opposition would have scored there would have been many on here with comments like 'he's got to stick a leg out there and attempt to block the shot'.

 

[blade too long]

But this is totally different, very infrequently will you ever see anyone do what Sordell did, which was to brace his leg, position his studs in line with Coutts shin and wait for the impact created by the follow through from the shot.

well your affording Sordell the ability in a nano second to read speed trajectory and impact area within 2cm tarfet area
some people spent 6 months plotting the right trajectory to get a space capsule in an exact spot to re enter earth but Sordell apparently can do it on the hoof

 

[1889]

well your affording Sordell the ability in a nano second to read speed trajectory and impact area within 2cm tarfet area
some people spent 6 months plotting the right trajectory to get a space capsule in an exact spot to re enter earth but Sordell apparently can do it on the hoof

It isn't a nano second though is it, if your ten foot away you can see what someone is going to do and get there, not necessarily in time , but close enough to look like your going for the ball.

Your naivety in relation to the professional athletes ability to move and counter in a split second leaves me incredulous to be honest, do you watch a boxing match and assume one party is randomly throwing punches in the hope that their opponents equally random evasive movement will malfunction and end in a knockout?

You've never played football have you, BTL

 

[1889]

I think you're overestimating the speed in which Sordell's brain functions as there's no way he's put that thought process together in the split second that the incident happened. Jake Wright carried out a much worse (and much later) tackle when we played Ipswich a few weeks ago but luckily it didn't result in a serious injury. Wright isn't the sort of person to intentionally hurt a player and there's no evidence that Sordell is either.

He didn't stand over Coutts because the play carried on. Did you notice that there was very little complaint or reaction from the United players on the pitch at the time?

Everyone who's played football knows that trick for fucks sake, he hasn't had to think it through, it's instinctive, you know you can't block the shot/pass, but you know you for sure can stick one on your opponent with impunity.

What Jake Wright did was nothing to what Sordell did and the fact that you suggest it was much worse just destroys any credibility you may have, as far as I remember Martyn Waghorn continued and finished the game, didn't he?

 

[awblade]

I think you're overestimating the speed in which Sordell's brain functions as there's no way he's put that thought process together in the split second that the incident happened. Jake Wright carried out a much worse (and much later) tackle when we played Ipswich a few weeks ago but luckily it didn't result in a serious injury. Wright isn't the sort of person to intentionally hurt a player and there's no evidence that Sordell is either.

He didn't stand over Coutts because the play carried on. Did you notice that there was very little complaint or reaction from the United players on the pitch at the time?

I did notice the complaint and reaction of players on the pitch, as I was there. When the ball was kicked out of play, Duffy and sharp went to the sideline with the fourth official and wilder. Both demonstrating that they believed it was a stamp, they were there for most of the time that coutts was being looked at, so a good few minutes.

 

[davidblade]

Maybe it was intensional maybe it wasn’t perhaps it was reckless or perhaps it was just an unfortunate accident. I’m not sitting in judgement.
But what I can’t understand is why they (FA) are my looking again at the incident .

 

[LJBlade]

Everyone who's played football knows that trick for fucks sake, he hasn't had to think it through, it's instinctive, you know you can't block the shot/pass, but you know you for sure can stick one on your opponent with impunity.

What Jake Wright did was nothing to what Sordell did and the fact that you suggest it was much worse just destroys any credibility you may have, as far as I remember Martyn Waghorn continued and finished the game, didn't he?

Martin Waghorn may have finished the game but you’re focusing on the result of the tackle rather than the tackle itself. Wright’s tackle was just as bad if not worse and it was a much later than Sordell’s. I’ve seen much worse tackles than the one in question that haven’t resulted in injury because the people involved got lucky, does saying that also destroy my credibility?

If it was that instinctive you’d also be aware of the chances of giving a penalty away, which it should have been, but the point is that it happened too quickly for him to think about it or the consequences (penalty and potential injury). There was no ‘malice aforethought’ because there was no time to think.

 

[LJBlade]

I did notice the complaint and reaction of players on the pitch, as I was there. When the ball was kicked out of play, Duffy and sharp went to the sideline with the fourth official and wilder. Both demonstrating that they believed it was a stamp, they were there for most of the time that coutts was being looked at, so a good few minutes.

The reaction wasn’t immediate like you normally get when the players on the pitch know there has been a bad tackle made. If they were thought there had been a stamp they would have been wrong because there wasn’t one. Has Wilder complained about the tackle in any interviews at all? All I’ve seen is him saying it should have been a penalty, which is obvious.

 

[blade too long]

It isn't a nano second though is it, if your ten foot away you can see what someone is going to do and get there, not necessarily in time , but close enough to look like your going for the ball.

Your naivety in relation to the professional athletes ability to move and counter in a split second leaves me incredulous to be honest, do you watch a boxing match and assume one party is randomly throwing punches in the hope that their opponents equally random evasive movement will malfunction and end in a knockout?

You've never played football have you, BTL

played for ,retford matlock and refereed in the national league and got on the league line

no matter how distressing it was the break was caused by Coutts swinging his leg into the boot , you claim put in the perfect place by sordell in a viscious attempt to mame
I think its just pure bad luck , and so did the ref on the night and the lino never flagged,
Your implying that Sordell could read the exact arc Coutts leg would follow

you no doubt think Morgan knew exactly where to elbow Hume to fracture his skull then , that he read the direction his elbow would go for maximum damage and that Humes head would just be where it was just a little lower than normal, thats what Barnsley fans think

 

[Harrisblade]

Your implying that Sordell could read the exact arc Coutts leg would follow

He doesn't have to - he just has to know in which direction the leg will be travelling and where his own studs are going to be - and then, whether he cares or not.

 

[blade too long]

He doesn't have to - he just has to know in which direction the leg will be travelling and where his own studs are going to be - and then, whether he cares or not.

again you could say that about morgans elbow

I refuse to believe any player goes out to break legs or skulls

you cant really believe he thought I know Ill break his leg here
he had to be cautious as he was in he box , so hed be in 2 minds as he might give away a penalty

 

[I should coco]

I refuse to believe any player goes out to break legs or skulls

Roy Keane on Haaland.

Ben Thatcher?

Chopper Harris / Dave Mckay / Johnny Giles / Jack Giraffe-pig / Tommy Smith all used to enjoy getting retaliation in first and were pretty ambivalent about the consequences.