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[Eza Blade]

Red card or not red card, I would rather beat a team playing our brand of football than hoping they have that many injuries or suspensions it helps us out.
Fingers crossed for Gomes that his recovery is a speedy one

 

[wavy-blade]

Son is a fantastic player , it wasn't his fault , it would be a bonus to us if he does not play though .

 

[JackSUFC]

Son is a fantastic player , it wasn't his fault , it would be a bonus to us if he does not play though .

He is, but like pretty much all of Spurs’ players, he’s massively out of form. Feel like we could be playing them at the right time.

 

[bromtom]

I've just rewatched the live coverage, it's 100% Son that did the damage, not Aurier (although crashing into Aurier probably didn't help the situation).

You can hear a snap as Son tackles him, there's a mic right by it (previously got absolutely twatted by a ball and had to be reassembled).

Gruesome stuff.

Son had just been elbowed in the face by Gomes and got nowt. Fair red, and a nasty red the more I see (and hear) it.

 

[wavy-blade]

He is, but like pretty much all of Spurs’ players, he’s massively out of form. Feel like we could be playing them at the right time.

We win next week at Spurs and I will explode !

 

[wavy-blade]

I've just rewatched the live coverage, it's 100% Son that did the damage, not Aurier (although crashing into Aurier probably didn't help the situation).

You can hear a snap as Son tackles him, there's a mic right by it (previously got absolutely twatted by a ball and had to be reassembled).

Gruesome stuff.

Son had just been elbowed in the face by Gomes and got nowt. Fair red, and a nasty red the more I see (and hear) it.

I stand to be corrected then . Will watch it on MOTD .

 

[Sheffsteel]

He is, but like pretty much all of Spurs’ players, he’s massively out of form. Feel like we could be playing them at the right time.

Agree Son is out of form but he always has a good attitude and works hard, like his style.
He’s provides the energy and tends to be the one that makes things happen.
where as when Ericsson is out of form it’s like Spurs are down to 10 men.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Looked like a dislocated ankle to me

Looked like his his shin snapped in half to me.

 

[bromtom]

I stand to be corrected then . Will watch it on MOTD .

I doubt they'll show it to be honest.

The first image is the frame where Son dives in, seems to pincer his foot, the second frame is the frame with the crack sound. As Gomes arrives at Aurier, his broken leg is underneath him and I think the damage had been done.

 

[Bladesman]

Pretty poor game and the amount of diving from some was embarrassing. Refs and VAR keep getting blame which is understandable to a degree but its high time more is made of the constant simulation and feigning injury.

Martin Atkinson is a waste of space.

 

[bromtom]

Martin Atkinson is a waste of space.

He's had multiple shockers this season and we're only 11 games in. Needs pensioning off.

 

[1066blade]

I'm just glad Everton equalised, I just want everyone to draw these days, 2 points dropped everywhere, totally selfish and relegation protectionist.

 

[Bladesman]

He's had multiple shockers this season and we're only 11 games in. Needs pensioning off.

It is rare you ever see him have a good game.

 

[tomtheblade]

I'm just glad Everton equalised, I just want everyone to draw these days, 2 points dropped everywhere, totally selfish and relegation protectionist.

Other teams drawing is generally a good result wherever you are in the table, it just means a lot of points being dropped, lowering the amount needed to finish in any position, be that survival, mid table or more

 

[bromtom]

They muffled the sound on MOTD

Statement from Everton says fractured and dislocated ankle, surgery tomorrow.

 

[PokerBlade]

Sometimes consequences aren't proportionate. A player goes for that tackle every other game and usually all that happens is it trips someone over. Whether it was the challenge itself, the way the player fell, or the collision with the second opponent, doesn't really matter. You can tell from the player reactions no one meant that. It's not high, it's not two footed, he doesn't jump into it, he just catches him badly. Really felt for Son. Felt even more for Gomes, that could be his playing days over.

My instinct is that Spurs probably won't appeal. Feels like its in poor taste to even if it wasn't a red card challenge.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

For the record i dont think it was a red. It was a foul and a yellow, it caused Gomes to trip and collide with Aurier, who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, no fault on his part. Football can be a dangerous game sometimes, these things can happen unfortunately.

I think the situation added the danger that made it a red – with Aurier coming in fast, there was a risk that taking Gomes down would risk a collision. Do the tackle elsewhere and it’s nowhere near as dangerous, but this was a risk. As an equivalent, if you shoulder barge someone over in the middle of the pitch it’s unlikely that’s going to see much of a punishment. Do the same thing though by the side of the pitch to cause someone to smash against the advertising hoardings and you’d expect punishment.

 

[tomtheblade]

I think the situation added the danger that made it a red – with Aurier coming in fast, there was a risk that taking Gomes down would risk a collision. Do the tackle elsewhere and it’s nowhere near as dangerous, but this was a risk. As an equivalent, if you shoulder barge someone over in the middle of the pitch it’s unlikely that’s going to see much of a punishment. Do the same thing though by the side of the pitch to cause someone to smash against the advertising hoardings and you’d expect punishment.

Yeah it's a good point, and opens up a question. What determines the disciplinary response: the action, the consequence, or both?

It would be a rare case, but it's possible to shoulder barge someone and for them to fall and do serious damage eg a neck injury. However shoulder barges are normally considered a physical but fair way to contest a 50/50 ball.

Likewise, a physical challenge on Chris Morgan may not affect him much, but the same tackle on David Brooks could do considerable harm given his physique.

In all cases the player could take an action that on 99% of occasions would be waved away, do they deserve to be punished for the same action if it happens to result in a serious injury?
We could change the rules to rule out even that 1%, we could make football a non-contact sport and prevent many fouls and injuries but it would then cease to be the same sport.

I dont have any answers i just think these are interesting things to think about

 

[tomtheblade]

Just to add as well, in Sons case even though I don't think he meant to hurt Gomes, if you look at the full clip you can see him chasing down the other Everton player and clip his heels just before he launches into the tackle against Gomes

This greater context makes it look worse for Son as he comes off as being overly aggressive and attempting consecutive risky challenges from behind. It looks as though he's a bit wound up; others have mentioned he was also getting roughed up all game so it's possible this affected his mindset.

Just to clarify, I still think the tackle itself was more like a yellow, but if you take into account the greater context both before and after the challenge it can seem worse than that.

 

[bromtom]

Just to add as well, in Sons case even though I don't think he meant to hurt Gomes, if you look at the full clip you can see him chasing down the other Everton player and clip his heels just before he launches into the tackle against Gomes

This greater context makes it look worse for Son as he comes off as being overly aggressive and attempting consecutive risky challenges from behind. It looks as though he's a bit wound up; others have mentioned he was also getting roughed up all game so it's possible this affected his mindset.

Just to clarify, I still think the tackle itself was more like a yellow, but if you take into account the greater context both before and after the challenge it can seem worse than that.

In the passage of play before the one in which the tackle happened, Son had just had an arm to the face from Gomes. Didn't get anything and was angry about it.

As you said, he nibbles at Iwobi I think it is before launching in on Gomes.

He does go from behind so it's a strong yellow, and if the ref thinks he's endangering an opponent then fair enough, that was borne out.

The problem is the PL and referees have brought the consequence into the decision it seems with their statement, if Atkinson had come over with the red I wouldn't have a problem with it, but Atkinson having a look at Gomes and then coming back to Son is setting a precedent.

Personally having rewatched it, though my initial thought live was yellow, I'd say red is fair and he shouldn't appeal (because the more you look at it the easier it is for Son to be cast in a bad light, what with his previous temper tackles), it's probably as bad as the Soton player that got sent off against Leicester, he went in high enough and with enough force to snap his ankle.

Generally though, just an unfortunate incident to see and for those players to be involved in.

 

[tomtheblade]

In the passage of play before the one in which the tackle happened, Son had just had an arm to the face from Gomes. Didn't get anything and was angry about it.

As you said, he nibbles at Iwobi I think it is before launching in on Gomes.

He does go from behind so it's a strong yellow, and if the ref thinks he's endangering an opponent then fair enough, that was borne out.

The problem is the PL and referees have brought the consequence into the decision it seems with their statement, if Atkinson had come over with the red I wouldn't have a problem with it, but Atkinson having a look at Gomes and then coming back to Son is setting a precedent.

Personally having rewatched it, though my initial thought live was yellow, I'd say red is fair and he shouldn't appeal (because the more you look at it the easier it is for Son to be cast in a bad light, what with his previous temper tackles), it's probably as bad as the Soton player that got sent off against Leicester, he went in high enough and with enough force to snap his ankle.

Generally though, just an unfortunate incident to see and for those players to be involved in.

Yes I wondered the same thing as well, that maybe Spurs won't appeal, even if they think a red was harsh, as it may come across as callous towards Gomes. Son may want to show contrition for his part in the injury and accept responsibility. Not saying this will happen but it's possible imo.

I agree also, I think it does set a potentially dangerous precedent for the ref to change his mind.
I can somewhat understand it, as he must think if that tackle can cause this then it must have been worse than I thought, therefore a red rather than yellow, but the rules should be clear either way.

 

[BushBlade]

Yeah it's a good point, and opens up a question. What determines the disciplinary response: the action, the consequence, or both?

It would be a rare case, but it's possible to shoulder barge someone and for them to fall and do serious damage eg a neck injury. However shoulder barges are normally considered a physical but fair way to contest a 50/50 ball.

Likewise, a physical challenge on Chris Morgan may not affect him much, but the same tackle on David Brooks could do considerable harm given his physique.

In all cases the player could take an action that on 99% of occasions would be waved away, do they deserve to be punished for the same action if it happens to result in a serious injury?
We could change the rules to rule out even that 1%, we could make football a non-contact sport and prevent many fouls and injuries but it would then cease to be the same sport.

I dont have any answers i just think these are interesting things to think about

I’ve heard refs discuss this before and it’s supposed to be the action rather than the consequences. As you say, innocuous fouls can sometimes cause bad injuries and reckless challenges don’t always seriously injure players.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Won’t be playing against us as it stands at the moment

Cant see it being over turned but he's unlucky really.
He's been traumatised by it so doubt he would play anyway.
He's a honest lad and I reckon he will be affected by it for sometime

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Post tackle, nothing wrong with leg.





It's the landing and collision with Aurier that breaks it, all his bodyweight going over it.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I dislocated a finger once and I only need to do a mild fart for it to pop out of it's joint now

My advice: take your finger out of your arse. That should solve it.

 

[bromtom]

Post tackle, nothing wrong with leg.

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It's the landing and collision with Aurier that breaks it, all his bodyweight going over it.


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You hear it crack after Son makes contact. It went under him when he put his foot down, damage was done before Aurier touched him.

MotD2 did a good analysis, and wouldn't show him placing his foot, Aurier was still a yard away at that point. Think gravity was keeping everything pointing roughly in the right direction while his leg was in the air, and he'd still have a broken ankle even if Aurier jumped over him.

 

[Rodley]

Has anyone red carded that John Lundstram “Tequila” song? The minute we’re nicking songs off Tranmere Rovers is the minute we need a period of self-reflection.

 

[PokerBlade]

Yeah it's a good point, and opens up a question. What determines the disciplinary response: the action, the consequence, or both?

It would be a rare case, but it's possible to shoulder barge someone and for them to fall and do serious damage eg a neck injury. However shoulder barges are normally considered a physical but fair way to contest a 50/50 ball.

Likewise, a physical challenge on Chris Morgan may not affect him much, but the same tackle on David Brooks could do considerable harm given his physique.

In all cases the player could take an action that on 99% of occasions would be waved away, do they deserve to be punished for the same action if it happens to result in a serious injury?
We could change the rules to rule out even that 1%, we could make football a non-contact sport and prevent many fouls and injuries but it would then cease to be the same sport.

I dont have any answers i just think these are interesting things to think about

It's all about keeping risks to an acceptable level, and that's going to be highly subjective but there are clearly extremes to be avoided. Even making the game non-contact still wouldn't keep it injury free (runners get injured often enough) and on the other end if we had an injury like Gomes' every week then there wouldn't be enough player lefts to play the sport.

Even though I don't think it was a particularly bad challenge, perhaps we could look to stamp out that kind of tackle from the game. It's not one likely to cause injury, but it is one that's purely a foul either out of frustration or as a tactic. It would probably improve the attacking element of the game to take them out.

 

[Argentinemanager]

On bbc website says spurs to appeal his red card, must be done by 1300

 

[Sean Thornton]

Looked like his his shin snapped in half to me.

A doctor writes.........