So... what are we lacking?

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Ricky said:
Sick of reading that, and I hope it's not a big factor for Wilder.

He's a very talented attacking player. How about focusing on what he's good at?

People seem to talk about Brooks and the 'defensive side of the game' as though he'd somehow be a total defensive liability from an attacking midfield position and as if none of the other midfielders ever get caught out, give the ball away or make defensive mistakes. I can think of plenty from Fleck recently.

Citing the defensive side as a reason not to 'risk' Brooks or players like him is largely bullshit in reality, IMO.
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I'm sure Fleck and Coutts could have coped perfectly well with Brentford's 3 midfielders if Carruthers hadn't been tackling back :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, I know where you're coming from, but we do not have a dominant centre midfield in terms of pace, engines of tackling. They need help.

As someone else said above, there's a debate to be had as to whether Brooks should have come on for Carruthers and given us more of an outlet and presented more danger to their defence. It's wasn't the greatest time to roll the dice though!

I think there's a good argument to giving Brooks a full game in midweek and see how he fares in a meaningless game.
 



Ricky said:
Sick of reading that, and I hope it's not a big factor for Wilder.

He's a very talented attacking player. How about focusing on what he's good at?

People seem to talk about Brooks and the 'defensive side of the game' as though he'd somehow be a total defensive liability from an attacking midfield position and as if none of the other midfielders ever get caught out, give the ball away or make defensive mistakes. I can think of plenty from Fleck recently.

Citing the defensive side as a reason not to 'risk' Brooks or players like him is largely bullshit in reality, IMO.
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If you're a midfielder then you need to be able to defend as well as attack. I equally get fed up with people who define a certain midfield role and expect them to not do the other parts a midfielder should be doing.

Yesterday didn't need Brooks and our manager should be getting huge credit for it. At times though, not only should Brook be used as a sub he should be starting and our manager will know when to do it.
 
robbiez666 said:
I'm sure Fleck and Coutts could have coped perfectly well with Brentford's 3 midfielders if Carruthers hadn't been tackling back
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So are you saying Brooks wouldn't tackle/track back then? Would he just swan around refusing to break sweat despite all Wilder's instructions?

I wasn't bothered about Brooks coming on yesterday because only one team was having the ball, but if he was to come on it should've been next to Carruthers, with Sharp coming off earlier. That way there'd be two attacking midfielders to share the workload in that area, Carruthers would've lasted longer, and we may have made it harder for Woods to dictate - the strikers weren't stopping the ball getting to their midfielders so we could have at least looked to make it harder for them once they had the ball.
 
Ricky said:
So are you saying Brooks wouldn't tackle/track back then? Would he just swan around refusing to break sweat despite all Wilder's instructions?

I wasn't bothered about Brooks coming on yesterday because only one team was having the ball, but if he was to come on it should've been next to Carruthers, with Sharp coming off earlier. That way there'd be two attacking midfielders to share the workload in that area, Carruthers would've lasted longer, and we may have made it harder for Woods to dictate - the strikers weren't stopping the ball getting to their midfielders so we could have at least looked to make it harder for them once they had the ball.
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This is a fair assessment but as it stands we got the three points so the jobs a goodun.
 
wizadry said:
If you're a midfielder then you need to be able to defend as well as attack. I equally get fed up with people who define a certain midfield role and expect them to not do the other parts a midfielder should be doing.
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But attacking midfield is clearly different to a deeper central midfield position. And some attacking midfielders will be pure attacking midfielders. I don't expect them to be totally unable to do certain things but they don't need to be as good at it as the other type of midfielder.
 
Ricky said:
But attacking midfield is clearly different to a deeper central midfield position. And some attacking midfielders will be pure attacking midfielders. I don't expect them to be totally unable to do certain things but they don't need to be as good at it as the other type of midfielder.
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I get that, and I agree they don't have to be as good as others at a certain role but an attacking player like Brooks in this day and age can't get away with just attacking and that's my point.

For instance yesterday, if Brooks came on and they got an equaliser or dare I say it a winner it wouldn't have gone down very well even if it wasn't directly down to Brooks.

What Wilder did in saving Brooks for the right time not only kept his reputation intact but it also kept his own intact and Brooks talents behind closed doors so to speak. I can't wait for Brooks to be unleashed but we'll just have to be patient.

If we manage to keep Brooks and we don't see much of him this season then my guess is we'll have done pretty well.
 
Brooks could be our pace up top.
Brayford could be our CD cover.
Moore will soon be our GK cover.
Thomas will be the winger we need.

What we are missing is a midfield general. We might not always need him, he probably won't dislodge either of our starting 3 central midfielders straight away but that's all we are desperately in need of in my eyes.
 
From the pig end said:
Brooks could be our pace up top.
Brayford could be our CD cover.
Moore will soon be our GK cover.
Thomas will be the winger we need.

What we are missing is a midfield general. We might not always need him, he probably won't dislodge either of our starting 3 central midfielders straight away but that's all we are desperately in need of in my eyes.
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Connor Coady, but as he's still in the plans of Wolves he's out of reach.
 
We could be lacking nothing............IF, we grow into the season as we did last season.

Good teams grow in stature and confidence as the season progresses. No one knows yet which of our players are suitable to this division, but the frightening thing after yesterday is quite a few could get better very quickly. Brentford were a good barometer as to where we need to improve and I am sure it will not have been lost on all of the management team.

Boro will be a massive test followed by Cardiff. Remain unbeaten in those two and this forum will be the exact opposite of the porkalk meltdown yesterday.

Although it was game 1, we passed a massive test yesterday.

Game 2 on TV - i'm taking the unbeaten run to continue.

UTB
 
All we need is a squad filling centre half to supplement Jake wright,a box to box midfielder (leonard or spearing) to do the breaking up. And a forward with express pace to chase the ball into the corners for the last 10 minutes to allow us to see out games (Marvin Emnes type) simple I don't know why Chris hasn't sorted it yet ffs!
 
Pace. Someone who has has quality as well though, not just a player that runs around a lot.
 
robbiez666 said:
I'm not sure how anyone can think we're fine with what we've got.

First XI is arguably fine, but we have little else within the squad to step-up when needed. Our bench looked very weak.

We need someone who can play the CB role Basham does as cover.
We need a midfielder who can do the hard work. Box to box preferably. Leonard would be perfect, but failing that at least someone on loan to January (when we could perhaps slot Whiteman into the squad.
We need another striker. Someone with pace and trickery. Clarke was great yesterday but can he do that every game? I don't see him as a starting striker for all the season.

If we lost two key players to injuries (Basham and Fleck, for instance), we'd be screwed.

The bench potentials are:

Duffy - question marks over fitness?
Brooks - untested. Can he do the defensive side?
Wright - Can he step-up again, and if so, is it only into the position occupied by Stearman?
Evans - Can he get fit and be anything like the player he was?
Hanson - Is he good enough for this league?
Lavery - Could he step-in to become a regular starter, if needed?
Baldock - The one I think will be fine
Thomas - Where does he fit in and can he play at this level?
Lafferty - Think he can fill in at LWB or LCB but not sure he's good enough to do so if Stevens picks up a bad injury

Goalkeeping looks fine to me. The rest of the team looks a little short.
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You mean like when Brooks tackled back at Chesterfield ? Then ran the full length of the pitch and scored.
 
A lot won't like this one but Semedo who the pigs have would be a good addition, not many players get past him and it would allow our better players to be more influential. He breaks up play well and gives the ball to those who can do something with it. He can also bomb forward if given the chance to, admittedly not from much evidence.

And no, I'm not a pig ya silly twats! I just recognise our needs and want what's best for us. Plus the pigs would be gutted, what's not to like? :)
 
wizadry said:
A lot won't like this one but Semedo who the pigs have would be a good addition, not many players get past him and it would allow our better players to be more influential. He breaks up play well and gives the ball to those who can do something with it. He can also bomb forward if given the chance to, admittedly not from much evidence.

And no, I'm not a pig ya silly twats! I just recognise our needs and want what's best for us. Plus the pigs would be gutted, what's not to like? :)
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Sorry mate not seeing that, think we can do much better! Give me Jay Spearing over him any day ;)
 



i dont understand this clamour for a box to box midfielder, who are you dropping? fleck or coutts
 
I think we could do with abut more pace at the back, going forward we look promising and entertaining but if we get caught on the counter don't think many would be able to get back as quick
 
dazzlingblade said:
i dont understand this clamour for a box to box midfielder, who are you dropping? fleck or coutts
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There's no clamour from anyone I don't think but if we did get one who's to say he'll replace Coutts or Fleck?
 
wizadry said:
A lot won't like this one but Semedo who the pigs have would be a good addition, not many players get past him and it would allow our better players to be more influential. He breaks up play well and gives the ball to those who can do something with it. He can also bomb forward if given the chance to, admittedly not from much evidence.

And no, I'm not a pig ya silly twats! I just recognise our needs and want what's best for us. Plus the pigs would be gutted, what's not to like? :)
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I like a converted Pig,we have a history of making them better players once they have seen the light,but has`nt this lad gone missing?,or was that just a ruse to escape from the Darkside?
 
sorry i should have said i understand leonard as he will be prepared to come and try and force his way in, spearing would expect to start i think.
 
dannysufc_ said:
I'd say he's more defensively minded that what we have
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That I agree with but Spearing can also spray a pass where as Semedo can't. Semedo is better defensively though out of the two and Spearing is a bit better venturing forward.
 
I think we definitely need a calming ,experienced defensive type midfielder, someone to take the ball and pressure off the back 3.
I would love to see Gareth Barry here in that position, out of favour at Everton. .might be a decent loan signing?
 
We need a young up and coming CB with a bit of pace. Maybe someone like Nelson from Oxford, but upfront we need someone left sided pacey and can do things out of the norm. The one thing I saw on Saturday is that Brentford had a few players when on their game could quickly change a game. That's what I feel we are missing.
 
wizadry said:
That I agree with but Spearing can also spray a pass where as Semedo can't. Semedo is better defensively though out of the two and Spearing is a bit better venturing forward.
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I imagine Semedo could drop quite easily into a back 3 too.
 



With the team we've got at the minute, I defiantly feel we'll be comfortably safe, around abouts 16/17th.
However to make that next step forward I think we defiantly need someone with a bit of pace whether that's out wide or up top. Also a strong midfield general who will sit in front of the back 3 and isn't afraid to put a foot in
 
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