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<long post going over old ground that has long since bored me to death whilst completely ignoring my post>

This is why we have enquiry #273, so that by the 2037/38 season, we'll have all this malarky sorted once and for all.

Hi Sendo,

I really really have nothing against West Ham Fans they had nothing to do with this, however, its the double lying by those running the club at the time thats the problem, and those judging it seen to agree with this view. If you look at the thread you will see that Charlton have said they have no problem with the way the deal was done. You are trying to compare chalk and cheese, just try to imagine the boot on the other foot.

Hello Vistoma

Firstly, from the point of view of West Ham fans, we are less than happy with the way that, first Terrence Brown, and the the Icelandics and Duxbury have dragged the good name of our club through the mire. Personally, I just want to be able to get on with watching football, and laughing at Spurs.

I personally don't have a problem with the way the deal has been done. I do think the FA/PL/FL or whoever should stop this sort of thing, but hey ho it's not illegal. Right? It just seems funny to me, West Ham were caught out on a technicality, and chastised by the whole country for it, and hounded by Sheff Utd for two years since to the tune of £30m odd, when in reality, deals of this sort happen day in day out in football.

Just a little consistency would be nice wouldn't it?
 

when in reality, deals of this sort happen day in day out in football.

Just a little consistency would be nice wouldn't it?

And to think, one of the excuses for the pathetic punishment was that nothing of this sort had ever happened before?

The respective deals are somewhat different. One of the differences is, that we haven't been deemed guilty of breaking the rules and then continued to lie and break the rules after such a ruling :)
 
I'm sorry you found my post boring, Sendo, but the fact of the matter is that no matter how many of these 'gentlemens' agreements' you dig up, they're not comparable to what WHU did. Also, as pointed out, the main beef of the Blades is that WHU actively lied and then didn't do as they were told to, not that they were playing a player with potential third party influence per se.

Surely you can see the difference? If WHU had not played Tevéz and you'd still stayed up, there still would have been a lot of Blades disgusted by the relatively lenient punishment you got for the first infringement, but there would have been no legal recourse.
 
This is why we have enquiry #273, so that by the 2037/38 season, we'll have all this malarky sorted once and for all.




Just a little consistency would be nice wouldn't it?

Yep couldn't agree more, the consistancy that sees points deducted/thrown out of competition in just about every other cheating case?
 
Samuel has responded...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1130053/Martin-Samuel-Belgian-dopes-aid-cheats.html

Kevin McCabe, chairman of Sheffield United, thinks I have a claret-and-blue-tinted vendetta against his club. Not true. I do think football is hiding, though. Hiding behind the notion that, if the Carlos Tevez affair is pursued to the utmost degree, all those other sneaky little third-party carve-ups that take place every season can be neatly brushed under the carpet. And, yes, some of them do involve Sheffield United.

Double standard: McCabe

This is significant as it shows a double standard at work. On one side a campaign for fairness, on the other a desire to continue operating with the nod-and-a-wink, you- scratch-my-back, practices that have been part of football for too long. Post-Tevez, the Football League have not even bothered to rewrite their rules to include sanctions
for third-party ownership or influence. Those at the Football Association are, at best, vague and the Premier League could do with tightening a few loopholes, too. The only explanation for this is that clubs wish to have it both ways, a handshake on the sly when it suits them, crying foul when it does not.

McCabe also says I have an allegiance to West Ham United, but it has never coloured my professional judgement. West Ham were wrong over Tevez. I have stated this many times. The week after the Premier League hearing, I wrote that had the club been summarily relegated for lying over the transfer there could have been no complaint. I stand by that. What changed, however, as I began looking at the way
the loan system was being abused with gentlemen’s agreements and deals not in writing (there is no mention of Sheffield United’s side arrangement with Charlton Athletic over Matthew Spring in the papers lodged at the Football League, which seems strange if it was all above board), was the belief that only one club were playing fast and loose with the third-party rules.
The Spring story, like the investigations into the transfers of Tim Howard and Steve Kabba, were about the loan system and the way it is corrupted by poor administration, allowing clubs to operate in a way that is unhealthy for the competition. What happened over Spring, who scored for his new club against Crystal Palace last night, was not meaningless or victimless for it allowed Sheffield United to face a weakened Charlton team in the FA Cup, and then ensure a stronger one in the Championship for the rest of the season when Charlton will face all but Sheffield United and Queens
Park Rangers from the top nine. It is not the crime of the century but it is hardly irrelevant, either.
Anyone who cares about fairness should care about the loan and third-party issues. The Football League said on Monday that they would now be looking to change their rules and the Football Association were still agonising over the legality of the Spring deal more than four days after it had been brought to their attention. How can this be?
How, after all that has gone on, can we still be operating with transfer legislation that is not unequivocally black and white? Nobody expects harsh sanctions over this, just clearer rules. And if we now succeed in getting them, I don’t call that a vendetta, Kevin: I call that a victory. And if you are as concerned with fairness as you claim, so should you.
 
McCabe also says I have an allegiance to West Ham United, but it has never coloured my professional judgement. West Ham were wrong over Tevez. I have stated this many times.

Of course it hasn't, just like your allegiance to pies, mash and jellied eels hasn't led to you looking like Jabba the Hutt with a beard.
 
And to think, one of the excuses for the pathetic punishment was that nothing of this sort had ever happened before?

That was the reasoning given for not deducting points - there was no precedent.

The respective deals are somewhat different. One of the differences is, that we haven't been deemed guilty of breaking the rules and then continued to lie and break the rules after such a ruling :)

Of course, but the point is, the rules are wooly, and teams circumvent them all the time to suit themselves.

The only reason there was such a big deal made of when West Ham did it, was the way it was splashed across the press, and the fact that Tevez was a good player.

I'm sorry you found my post boring, Sendo, but the fact of the matter is that no matter how many of these 'gentlemens' agreements' you dig up, they're not comparable to what WHU did. Also, as pointed out, the main beef of the Blades is that WHU actively lied and then didn't do as they were told to, not that they were playing a player with potential third party influence per se.

It's more the subject matter than your post. I was trying not to rehash old ground. I didn't mean to infer that you were boring me.

The "didn't do as they were told to do" still remains to be seen, though.

Surely you can see the difference? If WHU had not played Tevéz and you'd still stayed up, there still would have been a lot of Blades disgusted by the relatively lenient punishment you got for the first infringement, but there would have been no legal recourse.

We needed Tevez to stay up though. He was worth at least 3 points to us! ;)

Yep couldn't agree more, the consistancy that sees points deducted/thrown out of competition in just about every other cheating case?

I agree with the sentiment. There does need to be consistency. PL clubs should not be given leniency because they are PL clubs.

That said, what the Football League have done to the bottom of league 2 is a joke, and makes a total mockery of the whole game.
 
The "didn't do as they were told to do" still remains to be seen, though.

If you think that unilaterally cancelling a contract between two or more parties is legal, then I'd love to have you work with me ;)
 
and again...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1133688/MARTIN-SAMUEL-ON-MONDAY-Shut-window-pact-devil.html

Fatboy said:
Spring here for Sheffield, again, as FA stay quiet

Well, a week has passed and the Football Association still do not appear in a position to rule on the legality of Matthew Spring’s transfer from Luton Town to Charlton Athletic, which included a third party agreement saying he could not play in the FA Cup against Sheffield United, where he had been on loan.

In the meantime, Charlton did find a team that Spring is allowed to play against, Crystal Palace, who are Sheffield United’s rivals for promotion, and he helpfully scored the only goal of the game.

It was Charlton’s first league win since October 4 and afterwards, Phil Parkinson, the Charlton manager, was generous in his praise for Kevin Blackwell,manager of Sheffield United, whose help facilitated Spring’s deal.


Charlton's Matthew Spring scored the winner against Crystal Palace last week

‘We had a gentleman’s agreement with Kev that we wouldn’t play him if we met in the FA Cup,’ he said.
‘I see it that he was fresh for tonight, so I thank Kev for putting in that agreement.’

One problem.
As nice as it was of Kev to insert an agreement in Spring’s transfer, Kev is not an employee of Luton Town, the selling club holding his registration, or Charlton Athletic, the buying club now in possession of it.

This makes him what is known as a third party. Fact.

And Parkinson has admitted that by taking Spring out of the FA Cup tie, in his opinion it left the player fresher for a match against a team that is rivalling Sheffield United for promotion.
As explained last week, the Football League have no rules governing third party influence, but the FA do.

So why the delay? Or have the governing body mysteriously lost their appetite for such matters?
 
They've not printed my comment :(

It wasn't even that offensive!
 
Camara seals Stoke switch
Striker moves to Stoke after finding options limited at JJB Stadium

By Steve Pass Last updated: 2nd February 2009

Wigan striker Henri Camara has switched to Stoke City on loan until the end of the season.

The 31-year-old Senegal international has made the move to the Britannia Stadium after finding his options limited with the Latics.

Camara - who spent an unhappy season on loan with West Ham last season - admitted he needed to move for the sake of his career.

And it looks like he has played his last game for Wigan as his contract at the JJB Stadium runs out in the summer.

Camara told Wigan's official website: "I love it here and the fans have always been behind me, which is something I have always really appreciated.

"I hope they understand I need to play. I had a wasted year at West Ham, and I have spent most of this season on the bench. I understand and respect Steve Bruce totally.

"He is the manager and he has done brilliantly with the team, which is his team now.

"But when I was given this chance I felt I had to take it for the sake of my career.

"I want to say a really big thank you to the Wigan fans, who have been magnificent to me. I will never forget that and the club will always stay in my heart.

"What we achieved in that first season was special and I am so happy that the club has continued to progress."

Latics boss Steve Bruce said he sanctioned the move to give the player the chance to secure a permanent move elsewhere.

Bruce said: "I like Henri as a player. He's looked great whenever he has played this season, getting a couple of really crucial goals for us.

"However, I can understand that he wants to put himself in the shop window and play and I could not give him that promise here.

"Out of respect to him and to what he has done for the club in the past, I have not stood in his way now."

The striker has scored 20 Premier League goals for Latics, but has not been a regular since the 2006/07 season.

As part of the deal, he will not be eligible to play against Wigan when the two clubs meet at the Britannia Stadium on 16th May.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4887457,00.html

Martin Martin! Stoke and Wigan are being naughty!

Lets see if the smarmy cunt writes anything about this.

He might do so Wigan were on our side against the PL.
 
He can't, as there is now a PL rule that says loan players cannot play against their parent clubs.
 

Foxy, you missed a bit :
Fatty said:
I don't call this respect

Simon Davey, manager of Barnsley, was fined £500 and warned about his future conduct at a Football Association hearing last week.

Miserably, football’s sense of what matters has gone awry to such an extent that Chris Morgan, captain of Sheffield United, can commit an offence that leaves Iain Hume, the Barnsley striker, fighting for his life with brain damage and the FA take no action, while Davey, Hume’s manager, has a rant at a linesman in the same game and is nicked.

No respect, some people.

So just because of the injury, it means Simon Davey is allowed to break Football League rules? And i don't think Hume had brain damage, there was just the possibility or else he wouldn't be allowed to play again.
 
Foxy, you missed a bit :


So just because of the injury, it means Simon Davey is allowed to break Football League rules? And i don't think Hume had brain damage, there was just the possibility or else he wouldn't be allowed to play again.

He had a go at the linesman for doing his job and that is wrong how?
 

just on a point about the smarmy hack, after the dreadful showing on saturday, i felt compelled to watch MOTD, regardless of the idiotic pundits (I just muted that bit) to try and remember what passes looked like.

When the Portsmouth Vs Liverpool match, which began as always with the team information, i was interested to hear that Pompeys recent loan signing (Pennant from Liverpool) was in fact ineligible.... Now this shocked me, because as we all know, only sheffield united would be so underhand to allow this to happen.

I'd love to know what BIG FAT FATTY Samuels thinks of this................if he even mentions it
 
I'd love to know what BIG FAT FATTY Samuels thinks of this................if he even mentions it

In the Premier League, it is a rule from them that loanees cannot play against their parent club.
 
In the Premier League, it is a rule from them that loanees cannot play against their parent club.

i dont believe its a rule as such more than a standard that was set after the initial flare up between Man Utd and Everton after the Tim Howard debate
 
It's a rule.

The Premier League changed their rules last summer over a similar row surrounding American keeper Tim Howard's move from Manchester United to Everton. Howard joined Everton on a season-long loan with a 'gentleman's agreement' to make it permanent on the understanding that he would not face United.

That upset the Premier League who have clamped down on loan deals. Now players who are on loan are not allowed to face their parent clubs under any circumstances.

Taken from here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport-old/f...-a-return-to-white-hart-lane-115875-20357998/
 
Oi... fat twat!

Humble pie is still pie :D

Meanwhile United, who learned yesterday that the FA are not expected to take any further action over Matthew Spring's omission from the Charlton side they beat in the FA Cup fourth round in January...

From HERE... I don't see any mention of us being completely innocent elsewhere though!
 

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