Sir Dave Bassett - Spot on!

[Sothall_Blade]

As Bassett, critical of Speed’s appointment as a first-timer, also told the Telegraph: “Too many clubs appoint inexperienced managers and it all ends in tears. Gary Speed is a very nice lad. It’s just that I don’t think he should have been thrown into a club like Sheffield United.

“You can jump in too quickly and it wouldn’t have hurt Gary to have worked with another manager first. Experience is a dirty word in football. Everybody wants the new star on the block. Micky has got that experience, which is vital. He’s tasted both success and failure. That’s how you learn. I see him as a good choice."

http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk...ce_micky_ready_to_master_the_blades_1_2903995

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

As Bassett, critical of Speed’s appointment as a first-timer, also told the Telegraph: “Too many clubs appoint inexperienced managers and it all ends in tears. Gary Speed is a very nice lad. It’s just that I don’t think he should have been thrown into a club like Sheffield United.

“You can jump in too quickly and it wouldn’t have hurt Gary to have worked with another manager first. Experience is a dirty word in football. Everybody wants the new star on the block. Micky has got that experience, which is vital. He’s tasted both success and failure. That’s how you learn. I see him as a good choice."

http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk...ce_micky_ready_to_master_the_blades_1_2903995

Does lenners know about this?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Work with another manager first, what like Blackwell for instance?

 

[Oreyt]

Work with another manager first, what like Blackwell for instance?

Hmmm, that's what I thought.....

Although I do think Championship is pretty high up to be trying your first proper job.

 

[Kenilworth]

I believe he meant as assistant manager not just a head coach. Of course SmEllis was in that seat.
Different level of experience and not just for 12 months or so - you can see where he was coming from.

 

[Grecian2000]

Work with another manager first, what like Blackwell for instance?

No, a proper manager.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I believe he meant as assistant manager not just a head coach. Of course SmEllis was in that seat.
Different level of experience and not just for 12 months or so - you can see where he was coming from.

While he was on given the title of coach for the last 18 months of Blackwell charge Speed was working alongside Blackwell on the managerial aspects.

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No, a proper manager.

Blackwell however crap has a better recent record at our level than Adams. Apart from the promotion at Leciester (during which they dumped all their debts while keeping much of their premiership squad) his work at Coventry was hardly inspiring.

 

[Kenilworth]

Blackwell however crap has a better recent record at our level than Adams. Apart from the promotion at Leciester (during which they dumped all their debts while keeping much of their premiership squad) his work at Coventry was hardly inspiring.

Not Adams fault he had the players - he still had to get them back up - more than Robson did with us - we didn't even come close and would have gone the other way had it not been for Blackwell.

Coventry, hardly inspiring? That must be a slight at the City rather than Adams time there (I would agree with the comment if so) - Shit hole club, which he consistently got to top 8 when he was there without spending a large stash of money. I think he has the right credentials to be a success at this level. Whether the board can back him enough remains to be seen.

 

[Tuns]

I'd be surprised if we hadn't sounded out Bassett's views on who to appoint (along with one or two others) as part of the recruitment process.

Experienced managers certainly seem to dominate in the Prem.

 

[sothall blade]

Work with another manager first, what like Blackwell for instance?

blackwell ........manager ???????

 

[alcoblade]

While he was on given the title of coach for the last 18 months of Blackwell charge Speed was working alongside Blackwell on the managerial aspects.

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Blackwell however crap has a better recent record at our level than Adams. Apart from the promotion at Leciester (during which they dumped all their debts while keeping much of their premiership squad) his work at Coventry was hardly inspiring.

Didn't Coventry manage their highest ever Championship finish under him (question, I'm not sure)? Either way, your over use of the word "recent" smacks of someone who can't really back up their point. You don't rate him, fair enough. But your wish to erase a decade of managerial experience because it doesn't back up your case is a little too convenient, surely?

UTB

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Does lenners know about this?

No, Len agrees. Adams was his close 2nd choice. What's bothering him is that they used a blue marker, not standard black, when mapping out the process for selecting the new manager.

UTB

 

[WorkingtonBlade]

Didn't Coventry manage their highest ever Championship finish under him (question, I'm not sure)?


He took over there when they were in a similar position to us, and saved them from relegation. The following season (his only full season) they finished eighth (which is indeed their highest finish since they were relegated from the top flight). The season after that they struggled again, and he was sacked.

Hardly his finest hour, but in fairness they were selling their best players and it's probably the worst he's done anywhere.

 

[alcoblade]

Cheers fella.

UTB

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Cheers fella.

UTB

I hope you're right Alco, but apart a season at Leicester I don't think his history is impressive.

Go on Mickey prove me wrong, please.

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Didn't Coventry manage their highest ever Championship finish under him (question, I'm not sure)?


He took over there when they were in a similar position to us, and saved them from relegation. The following season (his only full season) they finished eighth (which is indeed their highest finish since they were relegated from the top flight). The season after that they struggled again, and he was sacked.

Hardly his finest hour, but in fairness they were selling their best players and it's probably the worst he's done anywhere.

Took over 23rd Jan 2005, brought in 23 players in during his time there the only major player to be sold was McSheffrey.

So in fairness they sold their best goalscorer and then slid down the league with the ones he brought in.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Woah woah Bob, He was forced into selling Pressman too!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Woah woah Bob, He was forced into selling Pressman too!

Indeed although selling would be a misrepresentation that some money came in for him.

 

[WorkingtonBlade]

Fair enough about the buying and selling at Coventry FB - your knowledge is obviously greater than mine. However, I wouldn't agree that apart from a season at Leicester his record is unimpressive.

At Fulham he took over when they were bottom of the league, avoided relegation, than got them promoted the following season. He was then dismissed only because Al-Fayed came in and wanted someone higher profile (Keegan).

At Brighton he took over with them in dire trouble, and got them promoted in his second full season there, choosing to leave for Leicester.

At Port Vale he again took over a team in trouble, and left with them 2nd in the division.

He hasn't succeeded everywhere, but he's continually brought in as a 'fire-fighter' to teams in trouble, yet his teams have won far more games than they've lost with him in charge.

To me it's a good managerial record. I think he's the right person to keep United up this season. The question mark will be whether he can achieve steady improvement, or whether it'll be improvement for a while with improved motivation and desire, then a drop off back to where we started as that effect inevitably wears off. We shall see.

 

[Nick Jansky]

While he was on given the title of coach for the last 18 months of Blackwell charge Speed was working alongside Blackwell on the managerial aspects.

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Blackwell however crap has a better recent record at our level than Adams. Apart from the promotion at Leciester (during which they dumped all their debts while keeping much of their premiership squad) his work at Coventry was hardly inspiring.

Blackwell inherited pretty much the same thing when he took over from Robson that MA did at Leicester. Other than that, MA has had a long career in management with 3 promotions on his CV, and a record of identifying very good players from lower or non leagues. No comparison, in my opinion.

 

[travellingblade]

Why all this analysis of Micky's past, it's called EXPERIENCE, and for me, he seems to learned from it, which is all we can ask.

 

[Rattly Noise]

Well said. Very few managers are 100% successful at every club they're at. It's how successful Micky is with us that counts. As far as I'm concerned he could have been the crappest manager ever, but if he keeps us in the Championship then he's got my vote.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Fair enough about the buying and selling at Coventry FB - your knowledge is obviously greater than mine. However, I wouldn't agree that apart from a season at Leicester his record is unimpressive.

At Fulham he took over when they were bottom of the league, avoided relegation, than got them promoted the following season. He was then dismissed only because Al-Fayed came in and wanted someone higher profile (Keegan).

At Brighton he took over with them in dire trouble, and got them promoted in his second full season there, choosing to leave for Leicester.

At Port Vale he again took over a team in trouble, and left with them 2nd in the division.

If we were in the League 1 or 2 I would agree. But I think there were better options, my favourite of which is rumoured to have been offered the Palace job.
As Palace are actually in a worse financial state than us, with a smaller wage bill I will be watching Howe's approach with interest if he takes the job. Personally I think he is too good for them.
He hasn't succeeded everywhere, but he's continually brought in as a 'fire-fighter' to teams in trouble, yet his teams have won far more games than they've lost with him in charge.

To me it's a good managerial record. I think he's the right person to keep United up this season. The question mark will be whether he can achieve steady improvement, or whether it'll be improvement for a while with improved motivation and desire, then a drop off back to where we started as that effect inevitably wears off. We shall see.[/QUOTE]

 

[Sean the Blade]

Isn't Adams' record at Vale only 19 defeats in 81 games? Personally I think that's fairly impressive, even at that level.

 

[alcoblade]

Took over 23rd Jan 2005, brought in 23 players in during his time there the only major player to be sold was McSheffrey.

I'm strugling here fella. If he brought in 23 then it's a fair shout that there were plenty who left. "The only major player" is very subjective.

And remember, it's widey accepted that the sale of Brian Deane in itself got us relegated from the premier league.

UTB

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I'm strugling here fella. If he brought in 23 then it's a fair shout that there were plenty who left. "The only major player" is very subjective.

And remember, it's widey accepted that the sale of Brian Deane in itself got us relegated from the premier league.

UTB

Bloody hell Alco I suppose I'll do all the hard work for you

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