Simon Jordan - got McCabe right, getting Wilder right

[blade too long]

The sale of DCL and Adams were needed at the time for the club and helped allow the signings that summer of the likes of JOC, S.Moore even L.Clarke.
When we sold Ramsdale similar situation, helped us bring in the likes of Stearman, Baldock and even Lundstram.
Similar the season after selling David Brooks meant we could sign John Egan

this was the usual blades method of getting players sell those we had cover in that position to buy where we were weaker
simple question looking back
was Leon Clarke a better buy for 150k than any forward Wilder bought when he had prem money to fritter away
personally think his getting Hanson was better than any once in the prem

 

[vegleeds]

Can we just not all get our heads together and agree to ignore a certain poster on here.

He spouts nothing but drivel, constantly seeks attention and reiterates the same 'FACTS' over and over again (he needs to learn what the word actually means)...

Agree. Every time the bloke posts I automatically think "Colley's A1 Tripe". (Used to be a shop on Spital Hill about 60 years ago.)

 

[CPB]

this was the usual blades method of getting players sell those we had cover in that position to buy where we were weaker
simple question looking back
was Leon Clarke a better buy for 150k than any forward Wilder bought when he had prem money to fritter away
personally think his getting Hanson was better than any once in the prem

L.Clarke turned out to be a great signing. Better than I think even Wilder thought.
He was signed to give us another option and firepower in L1. He only played consistently towards the end.
Championship 1st year up though he hit the form of his career it has to be said, all starting from that fateful trip to S6 that season.

In the prem in terms of forwards signed yeah it's not really good reading.
However when we signed McBurnie and Robinson they seemed on paper good options and one's that we could use if relegated.

Moussett was a bit left field and actually of those 3 after a few months looked a steal.

Burke needs little explaining.

Brewster we got caught up in the Liverpool hype, however I do think he could still come good. Worth noting here that I've been told before Wilder wanted Brewster but only on loan for the season. Prince decided to buy instead.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Wilder gave many of us the best football we will see in the last 40 years and until we get a stroke of luck with our manager are ever likely to see in the next 40.

I watched back 2018/19 and 2019/20 up to lockdown last night and could cry when I think that this was only 3 years ago.

What a fucking cluster fuck.

 

[Brewster Cost £70 million]

still hearing the same owd tripe, what about the good years,yeah he gave us great years which he got plaudits for and rightly so he was mentioned for the England job etc so what about the relegation season saying he's had enough of this shit and walking when the going git tough,it's like anything in life if you do summat good ya get praise if you fuck up you take ya pelters on the chin,ah chrissy didn't accept the pelters though he turned and walked away from his "club".

 

[blades14]

L.Clarke turned out to be a great signing. Better than I think even Wilder thought.
He was signed to give us another option and firepower in L1. He only played consistently towards the end.
Championship 1st year up though he hit the form of his career it has to be said, all starting from that fateful trip to S6 that season.

In the prem in terms of forwards signed yeah it's not really good reading.
However when we signed McBurnie and Robinson they seemed on paper good options and one's that we could use if relegated.

Moussett was a bit left field and actually of those 3 after a few months looked a steal.

Burke needs little explaining.

Brewster we got caught up in the Liverpool hype, however I do think he could still come good. Worth noting here that I've been told before Wilder wanted Brewster but only on loan for the season. Prince decided to buy instead.

That’s a load of shit. Prince would never have spent 24m on Brewster if wilder didn’t persist on this, signing Brewster is one of the reasons Prince is skint

 

[Sean Thornton]

You're been deliberately obtuse as per Shaun

Wilder was forced into a position where he had no option but to leave as the working relationship was untenable

Any one with half a brain can understand that

“Was forced”? The man who threatened to leave and wanted pay rises on more than one occasion?

 

[Frankie as in Howard]

Why is he getting wilder right ?

Wilder left because the prince told him we would only be able to sign loan players and that would be financed by selling 2 major players

CW said either we have one go at it or i leave

He left and we did exactly what the prince said to CW this time last year

In hindsight if we would have kept CW and had a sensible go at it for one season we would have cakewalked the league

Instead poundland princer sacked the manager who he hired after 3 months because he wasn't given what he was promised and we appointed a glorified Youth team coach

All this anti CW nonsense is BS yes he through a strop but he was also the best manager we have had or the second best ever

Those are FACTS

Have you forgot about the £130m he spent?

 

[Frankie as in Howard]

With Boro's improvement and our improvement under Hecky (Wilder ball) it's a hard argument to make that we wouldn't be challenging the autos under Wilder. The shit pre season and crap fitness of the players wouldn't be a factor for starters. Nor would we have blown the Jan budget on sacking cheque book Slav.

Heck and Wilderball do not fit in same sentence, Wilder's overlapping defenders was novel, exciting, and got results in brilliant fashion. When that stopped working he left through back door blaming everyone and weather.
Hecky's team play far more intricate passing incisive football, however he has been hammered by injuries like never before.
They both excellent managers in different styles.
I would have Hecky any day after Wilder's stroppy walk out.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

“Was forced”? The man who threatened to leave and wanted pay rises on more than one occasion?

He threatened to leave because he was forced into a corner

 

[Chingo]

He threatened to leave because he was forced into a corner

Because he couldn’t get his own way more like !

 

[Pedro Verde]

Brewster we got caught up in the Liverpool hype, however I do think he could still come good. Worth noting here that I've been told before Wilder wanted Brewster but only on loan for the season. Prince decided to buy instead.

Brewster was going to be a loan
Liverpool moved the goalposts at the end of the transfer window and said it had to be a sale
The Princes didnt have a choice

 

[Tom Bott]

"Wilder left because the Prince told him..." - there was no money left to spend - why do think that was?

Because the Prince needed £ 50 million to buy the club, plus paying for some legal fees.

 

[CPB]

That’s a load of shit. Prince would never have spent 24m on Brewster if wilder didn’t persist on this, signing Brewster is one of the reasons Prince is skint

But it isn't.

You could argue that having to buy the ground and hotel etc. is another reason too.
We have made more money than we spent in fee's and operating costs in those 2 seasons in the PL.

The reason it's not as much is because of the above.

 

[184blade]

When wilder said he was going to treat the clubs money like it was his own I thought he meant he’d be careful with it, not demand he could spend entirely how he saw fit then take a big chunk of it with him when he left.

 

[Big Hitter]

.Clarke turned out to be a great signing. Better than I think even Wilder thought.
He was signed to give us another option and firepower in L1. He only played consistently towards the end.
Championship 1st year up though he hit the form of his career it has to be

Clarke always looked like a thoroughbred, he moved with the grace of a two year old stallion. We've got some donkeys now though, bring back Alan Warburton..

 

[Tom Bott]

his decisions cost us millions

Or made us millions.

Funny thing opinions.

 

[Chingo]

But it isn't.

You could argue that having to buy the ground and hotel etc. is another reason too.
We have made more money than we spent in fee's and operating costs in those 2 seasons in the PL.

The reason it's not as much is because of the above.

Are you sure we made more ?
If so there can’t have been much in it

 

[Tom Bott]

he saw fit then take a big chunk of it with him when he left.

He probably earned £ 300 million for the club (Gross) during his time with us.

 

[CPB]

Are you sure we made more ?
If so there can’t have been much in it

In the 2 years in the PL we've made a profit.

We made £17.6m profit in 19-20 and £9.6m profit in 20-21.
The club spend £45m buying the ground back in 19-20 season too.

Without the ground purchase the profits from out two seasons up would have been £72m over the course of two seasons.
Even without it, it's been £27m.

That doesn't necessarily mean too much now because our income takes such a big hit being relegated that this is why we had to sell Ramsdale.
But what it does show you is that no Wilder did not spend all of our money. And actually the board sanctioned off every transfer too, so can't just be on CW.

 

[Sean Thornton]

He threatened to leave because he was forced into a corner

How was the Prince able to talk him round before then? Pay increase?

Your take on this is farcical.

 

[Sean Thornton]

In the 2 years in the PL we've made a profit.

We made £17.6m profit in 19-20 and £9.6m profit in 20-21.
The club spend £45m buying the ground back in 19-20 season too.

Without the ground purchase the profits from out two seasons up would have been £72m over the course of two seasons.
Even without it, it's been £27m.

That doesn't necessarily mean too much now because our income takes such a big hit being relegated that this is why we had to sell Ramsdale.
But what it does show you is that no Wilder did not spend all of our money. And actually the board sanctioned off every transfer too, so can't just be on CW.

The ground purchase isn’t a profit and loss item and has not reduced any profit. Like so many do, you mix up cash flow and profit.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Hang on, and I've no intention of reading the whole thread, but since when did Simon Jordan become the best judge of character?

Isn't he a massive tuppence himself?!

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Not to mention the fact that Talksport is almost a parody of itself now. I tuned in the other day, and it's horrendous. Plays to the ultra male ego, no braincells needed, lager swilling, joking about bird's tits, greasy diet munching, pie eating, high blood pressure, gammon fuelling, brexit voting, lads lads lads market.

You can imagine that it's a backwards, un-inclusive, page 3 taped to the wall, cockfest of a place to work.

 

[SUFC Guy]

He didnt spunk anything he bought assets some depreciated and some appreciated

Bogle / Ramsdale went up in value
Mcburnie/Berge/Brewster went up in value

He also earnt us another £100 million plus from finishing 9th

 

[nopigfansintown]

Ahem.
What planet are some of you on.
Ramsdale was in our academy!
It was the cretin Wilder that 'sold' him.
In quotes because he got F ALL for any of them.
Along with Adams and DCL as soon as he came through the door.
Who did he sign as good as Che Adams (£2 million) let alone DCL (£800K -it wasn't that much according to Unsworth) for those £114 million plus another possible £14 million as 'bonuses'?
Did you listen to the details?
(Rhetorical question obviously)
Ramsdale was £24million PLUS 6 million possible add ons.
I said we should look for £50 million. (based on what Chelsea had paid for reserve keepers etc)
We could not negotiate because Wilder had spunked away so much.
We had to take out a loan to get the cash now.
So the interest will probably cancel any add ons in what appear to be generally badly negotiated deals (The Prince said because Wilder centred on one must have deal rather than options) .
Bogle sadly has zero value at the moment.
We would have to pay to get rid off McBurnie!

A different one to you obviously. United had no money but a few academy lads and Adams that could get us a few quid to build a squad. We sold over 20 million worth of players and got to the Premier league with only two players that cost over a million pounds (Egan 3.5 million, Norwood 1.2 million). With one of the smallest wage bills in the Championship to boot. You aren't happy with the money we got for them, so how much do you think you could get for a few academy kids that played less than five games in league one, and another (Adams) that had looked half decent in league one and wanted out? Bear in mind we got 2 million for Maguire after 150 + appearances and several league one team of the year and SUFC player of the year awards. The Ramsdale thing that you don't seem get is the fact that he never cost that much due to the sell on we had when we sold him the first time.
A half decent board and United arrive in the Prem with those players all still on our books as they would've given Wilder that shit budget without having to sell the kids. Then instead of buying the keeper back and Mcburnie and Brewster etc when we got to the Prem we'd be bolstering other positions. We'd still be in the Prem now with Adams, DCL, Ramsdale etc tearing it up.

It doesn't matter how skint you are, you can still negotiate. You don't broadcast your finances, you negotiate the best deal. Nobody wanted Ramsdale at that price. The truth is United didn't have the money to compete when you look at wage and fees combined. Especially when you factor in that the squad we came up with had no real investment for four or five years, and had sold all its top young players as a matter of necessity.

We can see how good their recruitment ideas are by this season's business. Spoiler: not very! See Slav's moaning interviews by the way.

 

[Frank the tank]

Nobody will ever know it as a fact

However you can make a strong case for that happening based on what the Prince has said on record what wilder has said on record and what has actually happened eg no signings

The prince has put a great deal of money into the club however that was house money (TV MONEY) as soon as he was forced to use his own money eg right now he has done a vanishing act appointed the U23 manager and put Ginalucca the c@ck womble in charge

Didn't he put 20 million of his own money in when we were losing money in league one ?

 

[CPB]

The ground purchase isn’t a profit and loss item and has not reduced any profit. Like so many do, you mix up cash flow and profit.

Hey I'm no accountant so I'll take your word for it.

In fact thinking about it didn't the club take out a mortgage on it, so yeah we didn't buy it one £45m swoop did we (ground etc.)

We still did however post the profits according to the accounts summarys.

 

[Old Programme seller]

I think Simon Jordan is there to create ‘talk’ he may know something we don’t know but it’s all conjecture because none of us know anything everyone is playing mind chess there may be a master plan somewhere and CW playing his part in getting what he wants Ie going to Burnley, higher wages, longer contract, more transfer money he seems to be good at it though.

 

[tincan]

Again the turd was a decent meal , but that meal turned to second season heartburn and a 9 month long toilet session. He could have stayed and left with dignity but he decided to stink the place out with resignations.
Even talkshite gobbies see him for the mercenary that he has become. Good luck to him, his dinosaur antics can kiss the badge of the latest victim and stink out our competitors.
I prefer we employ professionals, to do the job we ask them to, make us attractive enough for billionaires to make enough profit to keep us competitive.