Simon Jordan - got McCabe right, getting Wilder right

[Champagneblade]

Was an amazing 4 years, awesome, but he lost the plot when the going got tough and ultimately wasted millions on players and blew all our PL money earned
Back to square one for us unfortunately

I'm pretty aligned with the theme of Simon Jordan's sentiments to be honest with you. I'd certainly prescribe to the sentiment that he blotted his copy book in terms of my impression of him.

There must have been a point where Wilder could have nailed his colours to the mast, taken the 'R' and gone again and created a lasting legacy synonymous with Sheffield United, fortunes of manager and club intertwined.

However for whatever his reasons, and it was his prerogative, he seemingly started to believe that the club were lucky to have him, rather than him being fortunate to be given a step up from Northampton.

Now he's no better off, only his reputation is tarnished by the way he left.

We'll never know if this would have been a wonderful marriage for the longer term but the components were there if he wanted it. For all 'the plan' mantra, how far off his idea of the plan are we?

We lost Ramsdale. He may have been loathe to do that given his personal connection but Ramsdale to a massive club like Arsenal always had an inevitability once linked and his ready made replacement has become a fan fave anyway. Everyone else we've kept. We didn't spent silly money on fees but we did spend 3.5m on Agent fees and we did bring in a decently waged group of senior pros in Robin Olsen/Adam Davies, Charlie Goode, Ben Davies, Conor Hourihane, Adlène Guédioura, Morgan Gibbs-White and latterly Filip Uremovic.

If either Hecky or Chris has been at the wheel from August we'd be top two without a doubt even given the injuries.

When he has time to reflect I'd imagine he has fleeting moments of regret at minimum and what Simon says rings true for me - when adversity came, these could have been portrayed as 'our' problems rather than somebody else's fault.

 

[Bashamed]

Do you think Wilder would do the same now having reached this level, with the ability to get other well paid jobs?

Probably not. Don't think that's anything to hold against him. He's done it twice already. Not many of us would work for nowt

 

[Houso]

The amount of blades who dislike our successful managers baffles me.

I think Wilder is the best manager in my 40+ years supporting the Blades. I think he would have had us top two this season.

I also think he made baffling decisions in his last months in charge, wasted tens of millions while in the Prem and then gave the Prince an impossible ultimatum when he'd got a secure job despite the shitshow of that season.

 

[Torrix1889]

CW said this wasnt the agreed plan so he left

So did he leave or was he sacked....because you have said both in this very thread....FACT

 

[Bell4]

I'm pretty aligned with the theme of Simon Jordan's sentiments to be honest with you. I'd certainly prescribe to the sentiment that he blotted his copy book in terms of my impression of him.

There must have been a point where Wilder could have nailed his colours to the mast, taken the 'R' and gone again and created a lasting legacy synonymous with Sheffield United, fortunes of manager and club intertwined.

However for whatever his reasons, and it was his prerogative, he seemingly started to believe that the club were lucky to have him, rather than him being fortunate to be given a step up from Northampton.

Now he's no better off, only his reputation is tarnished by the way he left.

We'll never know if this would have been a wonderful marriage for the longer term but the components were there if he wanted it. For all 'the plan' mantra, how far off his idea of the plan are we?

We lost Ramsdale. He may have been loathe to do that given his personal connection but Ramsdale to a massive club like Arsenal always had an inevitability once linked and his ready made replacement has become a fan fave anyway. Everyone else we've kept. We didn't spent silly money on fees but we did spend 3.5m on Agent fees and we did bring in a decently waged group of senior pros in Robin Olsen/Adam Davies, Charlie Goode, Ben Davies, Conor Hourihane, Adlène Guédioura, Morgan Gibbs-White and latterly Filip Uremovic.

If either Hecky or Chris has been at the wheel from August we'd be top two without a doubt even given the injuries.

When he has time to reflect I'd imagine he has fleeting moments of regret at minimum and what Simon says rings true for me - when adversity came, these could have been portrayed as 'our' problems rather than somebody else's fault.

I fully agree

Loved Wilder and thankful for what he did and gave us because I may never ever see Utd finish 9th again the the top league ( hope springs eternal though) but the way it seemingly played out didn’t put him a very good light at all

As someone else put it - he was happy to take the glory (and rightly so ) but he should have also actively taken some of the blame .

But - we need to move on and not keep trawling up the same conversations , don’t we ?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

So did he leave or was he sacked....because you have said both in this very thread....FACT

As I have also said he didn’t quit Nor was he sacked

He was forced into a position where the working relationship was untenable , the prince wouldn’t stick to the agreed plan and CW decided he couldn’t stay

I know for many on here it is hard to have an opinion where it is balanced everyone is either the best thing since sliced bread or the worst player in the world

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Put the troll on ignore

What’s incorrect about that comment ?

 

[Torrix1889]

As I have also said he didn’t quit Nor was he sacked

He was forced into a position where the working relationship was untenable , the prince wouldn’t stick to the agreed plan and CW decided he couldn’t stay

I know for many on here it is hard to have an opinion where it is balanced everyone is either the best thing since sliced bread or the worst player in the world

But yours isn't balanced....you just hedge your bets....a broken Clock/Fallowfield is right twice a day....

 

[Sean Thornton]

As I have also said he didn’t quit Nor was he sacked

He was forced into a position where the working relationship was untenable , the prince wouldn’t stick to the agreed plan and CW decided he couldn’t stay

I know for many on here it is hard to have an opinion where it is balanced everyone is either the best thing since sliced bread or the worst player in the world

So he decided he couldn’t stay but didn’t quit?

 

[Bashamed]

This thread is pretty much the exact reason we don't deserve promotion.

Ever again

 

[Vass Borbokis]

Can we just not all get our heads together and agree to ignore a certain poster on here.

He spouts nothing but drivel, constantly seeks attention and reiterates the same 'FACTS' over and over again (he needs to learn what the word actually means).

I can easily ignore his pre-game threads, have done a long time ago, but he's now filling up every post and you lot keep falling for it.
Just ignore, don't get drawn in, he'll soon go away when he's not getting the attention he so dearly craves.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Can we just not all get our heads together and agree to ignore a certain poster on here.

He spouts nothing but drivel, constantly seeks attention and reiterates the same 'FACTS' over and over again (he needs to learn what the word actually means).

I can easily ignore his pre-game threads, have done a long time ago, but he's now filling up every post and you lot keep falling for it.
Just ignore, don't get drawn in, he'll soon go away when he's not getting the attention he so dearly craves.

The ignore button should be everyone's friend. I can honestly say that not displaying his posts hasn't made my experience of using this forum any worse, quite the opposite.

 

[SouthportBlade]

He was forced into a position where the working relationship was untenable , the prince wouldn’t stick to the agreed plan and CW decided he couldn’t stay

I know for many on here it is hard to have an opinion where it is balanced everyone is either the best thing since sliced bread or the worst player in the world

The issue is you are presenting conjecture and assumptions as fact. Oddly it’s also quite one sided, given the broad critique of others not being balanced…

I don’t know what happened, neither do you.

I could reposition that 2nd paragraph quite easily to say ‘Wilders uncompromising demands made his own position untenable, PA tried and wanted to accommodate but couldn’t and the relationship broke down after numerous attempts to resign’ - and you literally cannot prove that isn’t true, nor I that it is.

For absolute clarity, throughout the demise neither side covered themselves in glory and both made huge mistakes.

Shit happens, we move on.

 

[wadblade]

i take it that wilder turned the Palace job down

 

[Bladey_blade]

As I have also said he didn’t quit Nor was he sacked

He was forced into a position where the working relationship was untenable , the prince wouldn’t stick to the agreed plan and CW decided he couldn’t stay

I know for many on here it is hard to have an opinion where it is balanced everyone is either the best thing since sliced bread or the worst player in the world

Do you think Wilders side of the agreed plan involved being down by Christmas?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

So he decided he couldn’t stay but didn’t quit?

You're been deliberately obtuse as per Shaun

Wilder was forced into a position where he had no option but to leave as the working relationship was untenable

Any one with half a brain can understand that

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

The issue is you are presenting conjecture and assumptions as fact. Oddly it’s also quite one sided, given the broad critique of others not being balanced…

I don’t know what happened, neither do you.

I could reposition that 2nd paragraph quite easily to say ‘Wilders uncompromising demands made his own position untenable, PA tried and wanted to accommodate but couldn’t and the relationship broke down after numerous attempts to resign’ - and you literally cannot prove that isn’t true, nor I that it is.

For absolute clarity, throughout the demise neither side covered themselves in glory and both made huge mistakes.

Shit happens, we move on.

Nobody will ever know it as a fact

However you can make a strong case for that happening based on what the Prince has said on record what wilder has said on record and what has actually happened eg no signings

The prince has put a great deal of money into the club however that was house money (TV MONEY) as soon as he was forced to use his own money eg right now he has done a vanishing act appointed the U23 manager and put Ginalucca the c@ck womble in charge

 

[Stevo]

Simon Jordan being paid to talk about football is like getting OJ Simpson to give marriage guidance counselling.

Terrible analogy

 

[bertieblade]

Nobody will ever know it as a fact

However you can make a strong case for that happening based on what the Prince has said on record what wilder has said on record and what has actually happened eg no signings

The prince has put a great deal of money into the club however that was house money (TV MONEY) as soon as he was forced to use his own money eg right now he has done a vanishing act appointed the U23 manager and put Ginalucca the c@ck womble in charge

The prince could have kept the money in very much the same way that the Burnley owners, you know those who McCabe had lined up for us. Instead he gave wilder all the proceeds from the promotion to the premiership which he wasted, whilst managing into a position of relegation by Christmas. Yet you wanted to give him more ?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

The prince could have kept the money in very much the same way that the Burnley owners, you know those who McCabe had lined up for us. Instead he gave wilder all the proceeds from the promotion to the premiership which he wasted, whilst managing into a position of relegation by Christmas. Yet you wanted to give him more ?

Nope from what wilder said he wanted to keep the group together for one more season , Prince wanted to sell two and only loans , we would have sold Berge if he wasn't out for 6 months with a hamstring injured


The bloke is skint and he has squandered our best opportunity to come straight back up

The prince had to remortgage his own house in LA to fund the club that should tell you everything you need to know about his financial situation (Said in the united way podcast)

 

[CPB]

NDA's arent legally enforceable if the other party talks about the issue so the princes interview would have allowed Wilder to give his side or if untrue take necessary action, the fact he did neither would say that the Princes version is the correct one regardless of what people think of either camp,

re: press conferences while at the bottom of the table one of the questions posed to CW was the issue of his contract bear in mind we were at the bottom of the league and CW ( or his agent) gets a local radio station to plant a question asking if there had been any movement the last thing he should have been talking about was his contract that still had nearly 2 years to run

Interesting take. I would think it becomes a grey area but one that could still be enforced if you've signed an NDA still regardless of the other party talking about the matter.

Ever thought that Wilder deciding to "Give his side" would do more harm to the Sheffield United than good and so he decided not to do this?
It could also come across wrong if he misteps a few comments.

I find it absolutely baffling how so many can trash talk him. I'm not saying he was perfect, I'm not saying that the way he left was not exactly great but I don't think many are realistic about matters.

Despite the Prince's statement/interview unless he's thick he would have known about frustrations from CW in the transfer market, lack of facility improvements and changes to structure that he was kept in the dark about. You don't even need to be in the know so to speak about this.

But if you are at odds with your employer and you've had a pretty torrid time with it (Warnings, don't feel supported and also lack of communication from the board) even if this company (club) holds a special place in your heart sometimes you have to just leave for your own health. The CW at the end of his tenure here looked unwell to me.
He looks a healthier soul now again.

This all said, he's not our manager anymore and we have an outside chance of the playoffs still under Heckingbottom.
I'll remember Wilder fondly, I don't think we've had a manager that achieved the success and that we were so connected too as well.
Perhaps this is the real crux of it.

 

[Chingo]

As I have also said he didn’t quit Nor was he sacked

He was forced into a position where the working relationship was untenable , the prince wouldn’t stick to the agreed plan and CW decided he couldn’t stay

I know for many on here it is hard to have an opinion where it is balanced everyone is either the best thing since sliced bread or the worst player in the world

Where has it ever been said that the prince and wilder had agreed a plan ?
Sounds like it was just Wilders plan to me or he would threaten to quit if he didn’t get his way !

 

[Bladey_blade]

Interesting take. I would think it becomes a grey area but one that could still be enforced if you've signed an NDA still regardless of the other party talking about the matter.

Ever thought that Wilder deciding to "Give his side" would do more harm to the Sheffield United than good and so he decided not to do this?
It could also come across wrong if he misteps a few comments.

I find it absolutely baffling how so many can trash talk him. I'm not saying he was perfect, I'm not saying that the way he left was not exactly great but I don't think many are realistic about matters.

Despite the Prince's statement/interview unless he's thick he would have known about frustrations from CW in the transfer market, lack of facility improvements and changes to structure that he was kept in the dark about. You don't even need to be in the know so to speak about this.

But if you are at odds with your employer and you've had a pretty torrid time with it (Warnings, don't feel supported and also lack of communication from the board) even if this company (club) holds a special place in your heart sometimes you have to just leave for your own health. The CW at the end of his tenure here looked unwell to me.
He looks a healthier soul now again.

This all said, he's not our manager anymore and we have an outside chance of the playoffs still under Heckingbottom.
I'll remember Wilder fondly, I don't think we've had a manager that achieved the success and that we were so connected too as well.
Perhaps this is the real crux of it.

If CW was allowed to "give his side" and it hurt Sheffield United but helped Brand CW he would do it without a second thought

 

[Tarqs]

Nope from what wilder said he wanted to keep the group together for one more season , Prince wanted to sell two and only loans , we would have sold Berge if he wasn't out for 6 months with a hamstring injured


The bloke is skint and he has squandered our best opportunity to come straight back up

The prince had to remortgage his own house in LA to fund the club that should tell you everything you need to know about his financial situation (Said in the united way podcast)

When was this 'keeping side together for one season' arranged/agreed? Beginning of season, Jan?

Cos I don't remember selling anyone.

I thought the issue was Wilder wanted more reinforcements in January (loans), despite being already down more or less. I could see why this was turned down.

Also, didn't wilder hand in his resignation twice during the first 4 months of the second season?

 

[Chingo]

Nope from what wilder said he wanted to keep the group together for one more season , Prince wanted to sell two and only loans , we would have sold Berge if he wasn't out for 6 months with a hamstring injured


The bloke is skint and he has squandered our best opportunity to come straight back up

The prince had to remortgage his own house in LA to fund the club that should tell you everything you need to know about his financial situation (Said in the united way podcast)

You just said it yourself , if the prince is skint how could he have given wilder more money ?

Maybe he could have done more this season if he didn’t have to give McCabe his cash ?

 

[MiserableBlader]

Didn't he more than double that money and then see us get 30 million of it back when we sold Ramsdale - or is that a different Wilder? Not to mention leaving the current squad who looked for from terrible once we got a competent person in charge? As you say:" You can shout and scream and hissy fit and claim facts in bold and capitals. But you'd still be #FakeNews".

Ahem.
What planet are some of you on.
Ramsdale was in our academy!
It was the cretin Wilder that 'sold' him.
In quotes because he got F ALL for any of them.
Along with Adams and DCL as soon as he came through the door.
Who did he sign as good as Che Adams (£2 million) let alone DCL (£800K -it wasn't that much according to Unsworth) for those £114 million plus another possible £14 million as 'bonuses'?
Did you listen to the details?
(Rhetorical question obviously)
Ramsdale was £24million PLUS 6 million possible add ons.
I said we should look for £50 million. (based on what Chelsea had paid for reserve keepers etc)
We could not negotiate because Wilder had spunked away so much.
We had to take out a loan to get the cash now.
So the interest will probably cancel any add ons in what appear to be generally badly negotiated deals (The Prince said because Wilder centred on one must have deal rather than options) .
Bogle sadly has zero value at the moment.
We would have to pay to get rid off McBurnie!

 

[CPB]

If CW was allowed to "give his side" and it hurt Sheffield United but helped Brand CW he would do it without a second thought

That's your opinion though, and I would disagree.
One day I believe we will hear more about this but not for years yet.

It probably wouldnt' help "Brand CW" either or more to put it his stock.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Haha love TalkSport. I don't listen anymore, but their whole ethos is to rile up angry truck drivers to call in at stupid rates. They're all briefed to say stupid things, it's the reason why Jamie O'Hara gets airtime, as he's more prone to saying controversial shit.

 

[CPB]

Ahem.
What planet are some of you on.
Ramsdale was in our academy!
It was the cretin Wilder that 'sold' him.
In quotes because he got F ALL for any of them.
Along with Adams and DCL as soon as he came through the door.
Who did he sign as good as Che Adams (£2 million) let alone DCL (£800K -it wasn't that much according to Unsworth) for those £114 million plus another possible £14 million as 'bonuses'?
Did you listen to the details?
(Rhetorical question obviously)
Ramsdale was £24million PLUS 6 million possible add ons.
I said we should look for £50 million. (based on what Chelsea had paid for reserve keepers etc)
We could not negotiate because Wilder had spunked away so much.
We had to take out a loan to get the cash now.
So the interest will probably cancel any add ons in what appear to be generally badly negotiated deals (The Prince said because Wilder centred on one must have deal rather than options) .
Bogle sadly has zero value at the moment.
We would have to pay to get rid off McBurnie!

The sale of DCL and Adams were needed at the time for the club and helped allow the signings that summer of the likes of JOC, S.Moore even L.Clarke.
When we sold Ramsdale similar situation, helped us bring in the likes of Stearman, Baldock and even Lundstram.
Similar the season after selling David Brooks meant we could sign John Egan for instance.
It's pretty normal in football especially if your at L1 or Champ level to have to let some go that you'd rather not do.

Ramsdale is not worth £50m. The club were hopeful for £30m plus maybe some add-ons. £24m rising to £30m isn't bad I think.
Taking out loans to get cash now seems to be the Prince's model for everything, it is fairly normal however but suggests that we are kicking things down the line a bit.

Bogle once fit again has value, not sure why he wouldn't.

 

[blade too long]

In hindsight if we would have kept CW and had a sensible go at it for one season we would have cakewalked the league

Those are FACTS

really on last seasons performances under wilder ??? a sensible go how much is that then