Simon Jordan - got McCabe right, getting Wilder right

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FATTYFOULKE said:
Do you actually read what you’re replying to?

Nowhere have I stated he got the £4m he asked for.

Of course it’s my money and everyone else’s going into his back pocket. Indirectly granted but how can you not see that?

I have paid my money into Sheffield United and a lot of it, not into foreign clubs but yes, it has paid off Slav. Difference being with Slav he was sacked and as far as we know Wilder was not. We don’t know for sure because he snuck out the back door and hasn’t told us what happened.

”I walked in the front door and I’ll walk out the front door” Not my words, not the Prince’s. Hiis.
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Wasting your time l’m afraid. Lurching from one deluded opinion to the next and doesn’t even read posts properly before trying to rewrite history. FACT lite, unsurprisingly.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
The amount of blades who dislike our successful managers baffles me.
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I don’t hate him. I just don’t go in for all this canonisation of Wilder - he was fantastic for 4 years and wank for 1.
I thank him for the good times and moved on. However, I will say, if he wants the plaudits for the good times he needs to accept the pelters for his part in the bad 1.
 
FATTYFOULKE said:
Do you actually read what you’re replying to?

Nowhere have I stated he got the £4m he asked for.

Of course it’s my money and everyone else’s going into his back pocket. Indirectly granted but how can you not see that?

I have paid my money into Sheffield United and a lot of it, not into foreign clubs but yes, it has paid off Slav. Difference being with Slav he was sacked and as far as we know Wilder was not. We don’t know for sure because he snuck out the back door and hasn’t told us what happened.

”I walked in the front door and I’ll walk out the front door” Not my words, not the Prince’s. Hiis.
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Do you read what you put because there is zero logic to it ?

CW was effectively sacked / forced out the door he didn’t quit he was happy to stay with the plan he and the prince supposedly agreed

It’s the prince who backed him into a corner and effectively forced CW hand


Nobody knows 100% what actually happened We can only base it on what has been put out there and has actually happened

From what has happened and what each party has said it’s quite clear that wilder didn’t quit he was forced out the door because the prince went back on an agreement
 
Rodley said:
What a manager he was for us though? Hopefully not the usual 10 years until we happen on the next great one.
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Worst thing is I’m sure if both parties could go back the best decision for both would have been to compromise


We wouldn’t have been in a poor position and CW would have had a better season with us
 
Auld Reekie Blade said:
I don’t hate him. I just don’t go in for all this canonisation of Wilder - he was fantastic for 4 years and wank for 1.
I thank him for the good times and moved on. However, I will say, if he wants the plaudits for the good times he needs to accept the pelters for his part in the bad 1.
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I'd say the good outweighs the bad so much that I can't even factor it in. We were listless in league one!!
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
Do you read what you put because there is zero logic to it ?

CW was effectively sacked / forced out the door he didn’t quit he was happy to stay with the plan he and the prince supposedly agreed

It’s the prince who backed him into a corner and effectively forced CW hand


Nobody knows 100% what actually happened We can only base it on what has been put out there and has actually happened

From what has happened and what each party has said it’s quite clear that wilder didn’t quit he was forced out the door because the prince went back on an agreement
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Quite clear…….

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FallowfieldBlade said:
Do you read what you put because there is zero logic to it ?

CW was effectively sacked / forced out the door he didn’t quit he was happy to stay with the plan he and the prince supposedly agreed

It’s the prince who backed him into a corner and effectively forced CW hand


Nobody knows 100% what actually happened We can only base it on what has been put out there and has actually happened

From what has happened and what each party has said it’s quite clear that wilder didn’t quit he was forced out the door because the prince went back on an agreement
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Nobody knows but it’s quite clear ?
The prince went back on the plan ? , where is it in print that wilder and the prince has agreed a plan ?
You are just plucking things out of the air to suit your argument, put some links up to back up your points … if they exist !
 
nopigfansintown said:
Wilder had zero money to spend except the money generated from player sales. One of the lowest budgets and wage budgets in the league. Ramsdale was an academy player that had played in one cup game. Those sales earned the club 300 million and the squad we had when we got there. Amazing business. The sell on clause was part of the deal that meant we got him back for substantially less than the #Fakenews you posted. If it's Wilder's fault we sold him (bollocks by the way) it's his fault we benefited from the sell on clause. You can't have it both ways. Now imagine an alternative reality where we had a board that allowed us to keep Calvert Lewin, Adams, Ramsdale, Brooks etc.
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The club makes no money,it goes to the players and agents and your mate Wilder of course
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
Why is he getting wilder right ?

Wilder left because the prince told him we would only be able to sign loan players and that would be financed by selling 2 major players

CW said either we have one go at it or i leave

He left and we did exactly what the prince said to CW this time last year

In hindsight if we would have kept CW and had a sensible go at it for one season we would have cakewalked the league

Instead poundland princer sacked the manager who he hired after 3 months because he wasn't given what he was promised and we appointed a glorified Youth team coach

All this anti CW nonsense is BS yes he through a strop but he was also the best manager we have had or the second best ever

Those are FACTS
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Honestly you crack me up.
 
Chilttheblade said:
The club makes no money,it goes to the players and agents and your mate Wilder of course
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If you spend your money on something you don't blame other people for it unless you're braindead. No football manager has ever spent a club's money; the club spends it.If it owed Wilder money that's the club's fault.What do you expect Wilder to say - "its ok, don't pay me I'll work for free" 🤣.The club made a 9 million + profit last season by the way

Wilder isn't my mate either. Bloody good manager for United though. Apart from that your tweet is 100% accurate.
 
Wilder didn't get everything right, but he got quite a bit right during his tenure which is why we shot from L1 to the PL in a few seasons.
The team he built performed exceptionally well until the pandemic hit.

Simon Jordan doesn't like the fact that Wilder publicly got annoyed at the Prince and owners for a lack of discussion about the plans for next season. Simon Jordan is probably also referring to that in press conferences Wilder last season often criticized the players (Nothing new there, that's his management style and it's worked)
Wilder however should have been a bit more savvy. He actually got a few formal warnings from the Prince for what he said to the press I believe too which further hindered their relationship.

However Simon doesn't know the full picture, nor do most of us.

What I would say is that, that Prince interview after Wilder left was entirely to calm and quell not only the shock of the departure but the animosity to him and the board.
It's well known Wilder had to sign a non-disclosure upon leaving the club, perhaps in connection to this mentioned pay off. You have to wonder why that is.
We haven't been privy to Wilder's side, I don't think we will be for years to come but there is more to it than, "He wasted money and walked out the back door" nonsense.
I genuinely don't think he wanted to leave, this club is the club closest to him.
I do know that the relationship between him and the Prince had really deteriorated, and basically they didn't really see eye to eye in how to move forward, this is probably simplifying too much but that's the crux of it.

One thing that is evident though is that there indeed wasn't much money in the summer for transfers, that the plan was to use the loan market and that there are genuine issues at the training complex that are desperately needing to be addressed. I actually think that part of the reason to remove Slav was because he was expecting more re-inforcements in the Jan window. Our board brought in Slav but thought it would work with most of the same personel.

I still trust Wilder more than the Prince, but at the same time the Prince isnt the worst owner around.

In the post McCabe and now post wilder time though what is the princes achievements?

Allowed finance for some PL signings.
Appointing Slav (seemed good at the time)
Appointing Heckingbottom.
Made this United world setup.
Brought the stadium back under club ownership. (Using the PL money mind you!)
 
CPB said:
Wilder didn't get everything right, but he got quite a bit right during his tenure which is why we shot from L1 to the PL in a few seasons.
The team he built performed exceptionally well until the pandemic hit.

Simon Jordan doesn't like the fact that Wilder publicly got annoyed at the Prince and owners for a lack of discussion about the plans for next season. Simon Jordan is probably also referring to that in press conferences Wilder last season often criticized the players (Nothing new there, that's his management style and it's worked)
Wilder however should have been a bit more savvy. He actually got a few formal warnings from the Prince for what he said to the press I believe too which further hindered their relationship.

However Simon doesn't know the full picture, nor do most of us.

What I would say is that, that Prince interview after Wilder left was entirely to calm and quell not only the shock of the departure but the animosity to him and the board.
It's well known Wilder had to sign a non-disclosure upon leaving the club, perhaps in connection to this mentioned pay off. You have to wonder why that is.
We haven't been privy to Wilder's side, I don't think we will be for years to come but there is more to it than, "He wasted money and walked out the back door" nonsense.
I genuinely don't think he wanted to leave, this club is the club closest to him.
I do know that the relationship between him and the Prince had really deteriorated, and basically they didn't really see eye to eye in how to move forward, this is probably simplifying too much but that's the crux of it.

One thing that is evident though is that there indeed wasn't much money in the summer for transfers, that the plan was to use the loan market and that there are genuine issues at the training complex that are desperately needing to be addressed. I actually think that part of the reason to remove Slav was because he was expecting more re-inforcements in the Jan window. Our board brought in Slav but thought it would work with most of the same personel.

I still trust Wilder more than the Prince, but at the same time the Prince isnt the worst owner around.

In the post McCabe and now post wilder time though what is the princes achievements?

Allowed finance for some PL signings.
Appointing Slav (seemed good at the time)
Appointing Heckingbottom.
Made this United world setup.
Brought the stadium back under club ownership. (Using the PL money mind you!)
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NDA's arent legally enforceable if the other party talks about the issue so the princes interview would have allowed Wilder to give his side or if untrue take necessary action, the fact he did neither would say that the Princes version is the correct one regardless of what people think of either camp,

re: press conferences while at the bottom of the table one of the questions posed to CW was the issue of his contract bear in mind we were at the bottom of the league and CW ( or his agent) gets a local radio station to plant a question asking if there had been any movement the last thing he should have been talking about was his contract that still had nearly 2 years to run
 
Sean Thornton said:
“Washing his hands of the club”


Anyone know where to file this “quote”?
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Yes Sean I would say appointing the u23’s manager and saying he won’t be judged on his results is one way to show that your have had enough

Another way would be to get you lawyer Gianlucca Cockface to say he doesn’t care what the fans and that it will only be youth players is another way

No doubt the prince will crawl out of his hole if we scrape promotion somehow
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
Yes Sean I would say appointing the u23’s manager and saying he won’t be judged on his results is one way to show that your have had enough

Another way would be to get you lawyer Gianlucca Cockface to say he doesn’t care what the fans and that it will only be youth players is another way

No doubt the prince will crawl out of his hole if we scrape promotion somehow
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But still pumping money in. You have no grasp of reality just many fantasy quotes to back up your claims of things that were never said. Or said by someone else when you get picked up on something. I don’t think you’ve been able to back up any of your, err, opinions with anything tangible.
 
Was an amazing 4 years, awesome, but he lost the plot when the going got tough and ultimately wasted millions on players and blew all our PL money earned
Back to square one for us unfortunately
 

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