Silence is deafening

[I should coco]

All you'd get at this stage would be vague platitiudes.

Which would of course be helpfully seized on by the anti-Kevs, as more 'evidence' of how he robs the club blind and won't sell etc etc etc......

 

[LJBlade]

Neil Harris has 'Millwall written right through him like Wilder has SUFC. Thing is Wilder has 800 games experience and has success elsewhere.

You seem to have missed my point. What Wilder has achieved with us isn’t unique. If he left we would have options, we wouldn’t be destined for League 1 as the person I quoted suggested

 

[snootyfenooty]

No one knows what the dispute is all about but what is apparent is that McCabe has let himself into something without drawing up a cast-iron agreement. Again.

If there is any uncertainty then McCabe has only himself to blame. Again.

Lets not forget it was his great idea to bring the Prince on board in the first place and it looks to me he hasn't built into the agreement any steps to solve the issues that have arisen when the trigger point was reached. Looks like he's fucked up. Again.

 

[The Crab]

Which would of course be helpfully seized on by the anti-Kevs, as more 'evidence' of how he robs the club blind and won't sell etc etc etc......

Yep, one or two holes in my theory

 

[LJBlade]

No one knows what the dispute is all about but what is apparent is that McCabe has let himself into something without drawing up a cast-iron agreement. Again.

If there is any uncertainty then McCabe has only himself to blame. Again.

Lets not forget it was his great idea to bring the Prince on board in the first place and it looks to me he hasn't built into the agreement any steps to solve the issues that have arisen when the trigger point was reached. Looks like he's fucked up. Again.

I might have missed something but how is any of that ‘apparent’? Like you say, nobody knows anything about what is happening

 

[BladeInIreland]

Just trying to see it from their perspective. Wilder is fantastic, and the owners may well slap themselves on the back for having made the choice to employ him. And subsequently (though to a lesser degree, accepted) back him with the players that gained promotion and found us at the top end of mid table in the Championship. You and I place the responsibility (obviously) at the door of the manager. But I can see that the owners may think they are the ones with the strategic oversight. (History may point to an alternative version, but just stepping away from the tactical and trying to view the strategic. Which is probably one of the reasons I'll never be destined for management)

I don't doubt your right, they probably do think it's down to them. I think they would soon find out if he left who really drove us up.

 

[BladeInIreland]

You seem to have missed my point. What Wilder has achieved with us isn’t unique. If he left we would have options, we wouldn’t be destined for League 1 as the person I quoted suggested

I see what your saying there is other options. But given our track record with appointments id say we would likely be back in league one.

 

[Sean Thornton]

No one knows what the dispute is all about but what is apparent is that McCabe has let himself into something without drawing up a cast-iron agreement. Again.

If there is any uncertainty then McCabe has only himself to blame. Again.

Lets not forget it was his great idea to bring the Prince on board in the first place and it looks to me he hasn't built into the agreement any steps to solve the issues that have arisen when the trigger point was reached. Looks like he's fucked up. Again.

Or, much more likely, lawyers for both sides are trying to interpret the original agreement to suit whoever they are acting for.

 

[LJBlade]

I see what your saying there is other options. But given our track record with appointments id say we would likely be back in league one.

Maybe I have a different understanding of the term 'likely' or maybe i'm just a positive person but I don't see it like that.

 

[I should coco]

McCabe has let himself into something without drawing up a cast-iron agreement. Again.

Do you have any evidence at all to support that ludicrous allegation?

Is it really likely that a 70 year old businessman well versed in the need for contracts in the property industry, would just stroll blithely into an agreement with no thought as to possible outcomes?

Lets not forget it was his great idea to bring the Prince on board in the first place and it looks to me he hasn't built into the agreement any steps to solve the issues that have arisen when the trigger point was reached. Looks like he's fucked up. Again.

He brought him on board because he HAD to. He can't afford to shoulder all the losses himself. How many more times.....

 

[snootyfenooty]

Or, much more likely, lawyers for both sides are trying to interpret the original agreement to suit whoever they are acting for.

The same lawyers that drew up the original agreement?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Is it really likely that a 70 year old businessman well versed in the need for contracts in the property industry, would just stroll blithely into an agreement with no thought as to possible outcomes?

So why the impasse?

 

[I should coco]

So why the impasse?

Valuation of a club in the Premier; £150m plus

Valuation of a mid ranking Championship team; £ 10 - 40m

The agreement will set out rights and procedures but the sticking point would always be the valuation. I would suggest that since last Saturday that has probably got a bit easier.

 

[Revolution]

The same lawyers that drew up the original agreement?

Might be the same firm, unlikely to be the same lawyers.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Isn't the main point at issue the various freehold valuations?

 

[zablade]

If Wilder does go the only small crumb of comfort is that Van Winckle, the likely successor, is already at the club and will have a good idea of where we need to improve already.

He of course will face the same impasse as Wilder would in the current too and fro above him. Hopefully if it is him he can pick us up some undiscovered gems from the Belgium and Dutch leagues.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The same lawyers that drew up the original agreement?

Unlikely I would have thought.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Isn't the main point at issue the various freehold valuations?

Sigh.

 

[madeinsheffield]

If Wilder does go the only small crumb of comfort is that Van Winckle, the likely successor, is already at the club and will have a good idea of where we need to improve already.

He of course will face the same impasse as Wilder would in the current too and fro above him. Hopefully if it is him he can pick us up some undiscovered gems from the Belgium and Dutch leagues.

We're not going to be singing "Van Winckle, he's one of our own" are we

 

[Harry's Game]

If Wilder does go the only small crumb of comfort is that Van Winckle, the likely successor, is already at the club and will have a good idea of where we need to improve already.

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With hindsight It’s looking pretty obvious why Van Winckle was brought on board.

 

[zablade]

We're not going to be singing "Van Winckle, he's one of our own" are we

Not after Brexit.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

If Wilder does go the only small crumb of comfort is that Van Winckle, the likely successor, is already at the club and will have a good idea of where we need to improve already.

He of course will face the same impasse as Wilder would in the current too and fro above him. Hopefully if it is him he can pick us up some undiscovered gems from the Belgium and Dutch leagues.

Does anyone know yet whether after Brexit clubs will be still able to sign players from the EU on the same footing as British players?

 

[LJBlade]

With hindsight It’s looking pretty obvious why Van Winckle was brought on board.

Why is that?

 

[LJBlade]

Does anyone know yet whether after Brexit clubs will be still able to sign players from the EU on the same footing as British players?

Nobody has any idea how Brexit is going to affect anything.

 

[Harry's Game]

Why is that?

Cos they knew there was unrest on the horizon and CW was not likely to put up with it. Having someone at the club who could step in with a pre knowledge of what we already have and haven’t got in the squad makes sense.

 

[LJBlade]

Cos they knew there was unrest on the horizon and CW was not likely to put up with it. Having someone at the club who could step in with a pre knowledge of what we already have and haven’t got in the squad makes sense.

We must have a different understanding of the term 'obvious'.

 

[Harry's Game]

We must have a different understanding of the term 'obvious'.

Yes I comes from having something called an education.

 

[LJBlade]

Yes I comes from having something called an education.

Common sense and logic not something you've graduated in though?

Did this education you speak of cause your claims yesterday that it was all over the Sunderland forums that Wilder would be joining them, when it turned out that actually just a few people had mentioned it on twitter?

 

[Keen Blade]

If HRH had wanted to get a reply out then our responsive local media and the Star too, would all have happily made news of it.

Kev's 'propaganda' as you call it, was his slant on events. That is his perogative, as it yours, to see ill in all he says.

We have to accept as fans we have no legal right to hear anything. The club is owned by KM/HRH and they appoint directors to run it as per UK Company Law. We may be 'morally' owed involvement, but that counts for nothing.

We just have to let this one play out and stop getting sand in our collective fannies, because there has been no news for hours/ days/ weeks.

I don't see ill in what Kevin says.
I was just surprised to read on here that he'd made thinly veiled criticisms of his co-owner.
I appreciate that it was an SU Ltd meeting but one which would obviously get publicity from the handful of "fan-shareholders" who had a right to attend.
Obviously Kevin has made errors of judgment during his stewardship, but no sensible person should doubt that Kevin has backed SUFC enormously with his own money over many years.
He's said to be worth £100m , which will be the paper value of his companies , largely based on assets.
What's a decent ROC on that in today's economic climate ? 5% ?
For arguments sake , let's say his annual income stream is £5m pa.
In recent years he's put the whole bloody lot into keeping the Blades alive !
What would your missus say if you put all YOUR income into a footy club ?
At the risk of repeating myself , the poor guy is on the horns of a dilemma.
He really ought to curtail his great philanthropy at some stage before he kicks the bucket.
But how can he ensure the person to whom he sells will actually fund the whole £10m pa losses to keep the Blades going ad infinitum ?