Siddarn!

[Cerberus Blade]

Been discussed a lot on RS this week. Are you willing to “siddarn” at the match or do you insist on standing?

If folks are standing in a seated area and refuse to siddarn then I don’t suppose you have much choice, seeing as it’s not enforced by police or stewards.

I’ve not taken my family to away matches for years (actually that’s not true, we’ve been to a few) but mainly because my kids wouldn’t have seen a thing as folks refuse to siddarn.

Now they are older and taller it’s not so much of an issue, but how about the old folk or disabled who can’t stand up for 90 minutes?

I’m in favour of “safe standing” btw and I’d like to see that brought back, but meanwhile is it asking too much of folks to take their seat in an all seater stadium so everyone can see the game?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I think it should be mandatory for everybody to squat or crouch for the full 90 mins.

This would mean everybody was sort of half standing/half sitting and everyone would be happy.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I think it should be mandatory for everybody to squat or crouch for the full 90 mins.

This would mean everybody was sort of half standing/half sitting and everyone would be happy.

Plus you'd have calves to die for.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Plus you'd have calves to die for.

Would they be counted in the attendance figures?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Plus you'd have calves to die for.

And what about those pelvic floors eh?

 

[SB_90]

depends where your sat if your on the top of half of the kop or at away game then you expect it. but ive always thought that if your sat near front of any ground then you should sit down, because you are intentionally being selfish. tickets at away games should be segrated if the safe standing comes in from seating at the front half to standing at the back

 

[Bruce Wayne]

With the state of the facilities on the kop i'm campaigning for safe sitting.

 

[Gateford Blade]

I’ve listened to some of this this week and my issue is if I want to sit and others stand, why should I sit at the front where the view is invariably worse than further back?

 

[SB_90]

I’ve listened to some of this this week and my issue is if I want to sit and others stand, why should I sit at the front where the view is invariably worse than further back?

Its just how its works you cant have your cake & eat it. Just a realistic compromise, because it defeats the object if your sat down at the back with people stood up. Just like tall people in photos are in the back

Ive been at on the 3rd row of family stand now for 16 yrs & i think its great view

 

[PokerBlade]

We've arrived at this ridiculous situation where we decided that, because terraces needed a major overhaul, we should leap banning all standing, but then because it's impossible to safely enforce standing (good luck sending a group of stewards to start a commotion at the back of the Kop) it ends up being tacitly accepted anyway. Of course no club will admit that they allow standing, because that's illegal, but it happens every week by the thousands of fans.

Clubs like ours will even warn fans that every seat is monitored by CCTV, but still standing goes on because no one would actually enforce sitting.

And since we still haven't settled the tragedy and conspiracy of Hillsborough, good luck getting this issue raised at any level at which change could actually be made.

The whole thing is a farce.

 

[bromtom]

Its just how its works you cant have your cake & eat it. Just a realistic compromise, because it defeats the object if your sat down at the back with people stood up. Just like tall people in photos are in the back

Ive been at on the 3rd row of family stand now for 16 yrs & i think its great view

I don't really think there's many seats with a bad view from the sides. Maybe first row near the corner flags.

Definitely better further up but nothing absolutely awful.

 

[s4-blade]

Ah the monthly sitting or standing thread, a great tradition of the football forum. If you want to sit, go to an area where sitting is the norm, if you want to stand then go to an area where people stand. If you’re disabled then go in the disabled section. If you’ve got kids then stop being a fanny and molly coddling them and get them brought up reyt at the lane. If you’re bringing a dog then you’re not allowed in. Nobody knows about cats though.

 

[Ricky]

What a fucking ridiculous time this is to be a football fan.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

depends where your sat if your on the top of half of the kop or at away game then you expect it. but ive always thought that if your sat near front of any ground then you should sit down, because you are intentionally being selfish. tickets at away games should be segrated if the safe standing comes in from seating at the front half to standing at the back

Other way round mate. If you had mixed standing and seating, you'd have the seats at the back higher up, with the standing in front.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Surely with streams leading to declining attendances, the way forward is safe lying.

Each supporter could be provided with a comfy recliner and served non alcoholic cocktails ( those tinkers still can’t be trusted to view the game with hard liquor in their hands).

Executive boxes could be replaced with cabanas with a lazy river allowing them to exit the ground as early as they like.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

What I would like to see personally, is the following:

1. Safe standing areas introduced to some parts of the ground.
2. Sitting down, in seated areas, enforced.

I think both will happen, eventually. And the game will be all the better for it.

Number 2 could happen now though - but the clubs are shirking their responsibilities for doing so. It will probably need some sort of disaster again before clubs take this seriously.

I've stood up in seated areas many times btw. But only because the folk in front of me for several rows are stood up. If they sat down, I'd gladly sit down. What I've never done though is stand up in a seated area when there's no one standing in front of me. I think you have to be some kind of ignorant moron with no respect for others to do that. But I appreciate if that's what you are, you probably don't have the sense to realise it anyway.

 

[grafikhaus]

What a fucking ridiculous time this is to be a football fan.

True. There was (I think) a Barnsley fan on FH last night who rightly pointed out that Barnsley v Leeds was changed to a Saturday lunchtime kick-off on police recommendation. The pigs v Leeds game has been moved to Friday night on Sky recommendation. Still, it will give Durham constabularly some valuable overtime.

Surely with streams leading to declining attendances, the way forward is safe lying.

They've had this at Hillsborough for years.

Lying bastards.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Plus you'd have calves to die for.

..and a vastly increased spend on Germoloids

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

I propose this level headed position should be the future of spectating..

No matter how tall or short you may be, noone can complain about not having an unobstructed view from the same eye level...

And it also eradicates the above highlighted problem by georgebernardshaw of requiring germoloids!

 

[diode_blade]

I propose this level headed position should be the future of spectating..

No matter how tall or short you may be, noone can complain about not having an unobstructed view from the same eye level...

And it also eradicates the above highlighted problem by georgebernardshaw of requiring germoloids!

Ya see thats how it works in Australia....

 

[Its magnet you idiot]

Could I stand on my seat

 

[PokerBlade]

What I would like to see personally, is the following:

1. Safe standing areas introduced to some parts of the ground.
2. Sitting down, in seated areas, enforced.

I think both will happen, eventually. And the game will be all the better for it.

Number 2 could happen now though - but the clubs are shirking their responsibilities for doing so. It will probably need some sort of disaster again before clubs take this seriously.

I've stood up in seated areas many times btw. But only because the folk in front of me for several rows are stood up. If they sat down, I'd gladly sit down. What I've never done though is stand up in a seated area when there's no one standing in front of me. I think you have to be some kind of ignorant moron with no respect for others to do that. But I appreciate if that's what you are, you probably don't have the sense to realise it anyway.

I touched on enforcing seating a bit. It's the same problem everywhere. Stewards and police know that if anything were to kick off between them and fans in a seated area it would be a dangerous situation from the point of people falling over seats, and so they only go into the crowd when either it's near the front (like dragging out away fans who spill over after a goal) or an unavoidable emergency. The point being that allowing standing in a seated area is, ironically, safer than trying to enforce sitting.

The daft thing is that the safe standing areas aren't exactly rocket science, it's just that we had a huge knee-jerk reaction and banned them before thinking. And now we have this utterly stupid situation where everyone knows it's going on but no one other than fans can so much as admit to it.

I don't want to stand at games anyway, but I hate this absurd situation we have now and can't see anything wrong with safe standing areas.

As a side note, last season someone had a go at me because I was standing up after a goal and he couldn't see the replay on the big screen while seated. That, I thought, was quite the twattish move.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Been discussed a lot on RS this week. Are you willing to “siddarn” at the match or do you insist on standing?

If folks are standing in a seated area and refuse to siddarn then I don’t suppose you have much choice, seeing as it’s not enforced by police or stewards.

I’ve not taken my family to away matches for years (actually that’s not true, we’ve been to a few) but mainly because my kids wouldn’t have seen a thing as folks refuse to siddarn.

Now they are older and taller it’s not so much of an issue, but how about the old folk or disabled who can’t stand up for 90 minutes?

I’m in favour of “safe standing” btw and I’d like to see that brought back, but meanwhile is it asking too much of folks to take their seat in an all seater stadium so everyone can see the game?

Yep it’s def a silly time CB , I’d love to see safe standing but I’m afraid SAG & SYP would pin prick that ballloon while it was still in its packet I think also it would bring with it a.better atmosphere . I went to quite a few conference games 6 years ago & loved it standing up again particularly if the weather wasn’t the best .
Sadly I don’t think we’ll see that Sheff again after the events in S6 in 89 .. but that’s a whole different much discussed subject that I’ll verse away from

 

[cahill]

Sitting at football should be made illegal. Stewards should stop fowk at the turnstiles and do a « fit to stand test », if you can’t stand for ten minutes you should be directed to the nearest library or church which are opened by decree near the ground for a nice comfy lie down. Seats in’the ground should removed and cushions made available for a small fee for those décadent self negleçted individuals who need to rest, however this needs monitoring and stewards should pull people to their feet, and force them to stand facing the wall at the back’of the kop for a stated time dépendant on age. For the latter season tickets should be suspended pending a medical certificate from a qualified health professional.

Britain didn’t win an empire or become great by sitting down at football matches

 

[bromtom]

Just replace seats with those seats from old bus shelters, the brown ones that spin 90 degrees from vertical if you want to sit down, or even the metal lean against type. Generally bench-esque seating would be better for everyone I think. Backs of seats only exist to make nice patterns on stands and dig into people's shins in my opinion.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Nobody knows about cats though.

All cats are allowed in that's why the games are Cat A*, Cat B, etc.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Could I stand on my seat

From experience, the easiest way to stand on the seats is with one foot on one seat and the other on an adjacent seat. It's much more stable this way and less likely to fold up on you. Hope this helps.

 

[cahill]

All cats are allowed in that's why the games are Cat A*, Cat B, etc.

I went to school with a kid called Cat Enaccio, funny thing, he was always on the defensive.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Sitting at football should be made illegal. Stewards should stop fowk at the turnstiles and do a « fit to stand test », if you can’t stand for ten minutes you should be directed to the nearest library or church which are opened by decree near the ground for a nice comfy lie down. Seats in’the ground should removed and cushions made available for a small fee for those décadent self negleçted individuals who need to rest, however this needs monitoring and stewards should pull people to their feet, and force them to stand facing the wall at the back’of the kop for a stated time dépendant on age. For the latter season tickets should be suspended pending a medical certificate from a qualified health professional.

Britain didn’t win an empire or become great by sitting down at football matches

During the Adkins years, that would have been a blessing.

 

[CrookesBlade]

I went to school with a kid called Cat Enaccio, funny thing, he was always on the defensive.

Underrated post, sadly I don't think it will Regista with a lot of people.