Should we try to swap Brayford...

[TonyAgana]

I can't get my head round why people wouldn't want Brayford back.

Without sounding like I'm descending into a beardy-love-fest, he's a cracking player and better than every other RB in this league.

Based on the 'Wilder effect' on the likes of Coutts, who's to say that the boss couldn't have Brayford playing better than Clough ever did?

I'd take that, wouldn't you?

For the more sensible-headed of those not wanting to see him return, it's probably more to do with the money. There's a very strong likelihood that the saving in his wages is already funding our newer players. We probably can't afford to have him back even if any party involved wanted to.

 

[finlaytheblade]

If there's any swap to be done it's with McFadzean.

Clough would definitely swap him for his lovely Brayford. McFadzean's lack of discipline has pissed Clough off recently, and I think we're still interested in him.

The problem would be Brayford's wages. Would Burton commit to paying them for another year?

Thats the problem Ricky wages !!, Burton are paying his wages at present ( Wilder made that a condition when they took him ) unless Brayford is willing to take another pay cut ( he took one to join us ) there's no way Burton could take him.If by chance they do stay up it could be on but I still think his wage
over a 2 :: 3 year contract might be two much for them.I would take either or both players mentioned but surprised if it happened.

 

[beatific blade]

Maybe because what we have is already better?

Would you agree that Brayford at his best is better than Freeman at his best?

Totally in agreement that what we have already is working very well for us.

What I do suggest is that having both options can't hurt - that is, if the player wants to return. And even then, that's if the manager wants him.

 

[beatific blade]

For the more sensible-headed of those not wanting to see him return, it's probably more to do with the money. There's a very strong likelihood that the saving in his wages is already funding our newer players. We probably can't afford to have him back even if any party involved wanted to.

I did wonder if cash was the prime motivating factor for all concerned.

If Freeman (whose role is vital to our system) gets injured long-term, I hope we can have adequate cover. Brayford would be my answer, given that he's already ours. Wilder could get him motivated and playing well, I'm sure.

 

[Harry's Game]

Would you agree that Brayford at his best is better than Freeman at his best?

Totally in agreement that what we have already is working very well for us.

What I do suggest is that having both options can't hurt - that is, if the player wants to return. And even then, that's if the manager wants him.

I think freeman is better than Brayford he's more defensively aware, scores every now and again and although his crossing isn't much cop it's no worse than Brayfords.

Take out that three month loan Brayford had initially and Freeman has been consistently the superior player.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You really need to stop getting so wound up over nothing.

My point about McFadzean is that, errrr..... it's the most likely swap deal with Brayford.

It's not a daily occurrence from me. I'm just the one you notice.

I hope we get as much as we can for Brayford. I'm just sure it won't be more than 300k.

You only seem to remember the bad ones like Higdon and Hall. They have nothing to do with Brayford obviously but it's been a while since you've shoehorned this into anything so I'll let you off.

You think it's the most likely deal. That's not quite the same thing as it actually being the case.

You clearly can't see any irony in your "wound up" comment when you mention it non stop on two boards.

There are a lot more than Higdon and Hall although seeing as Hall had been on a steady decline for four years he is the stand out.

Thanks, that's very generous of you.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think freeman is better than Brayford he's more defensively aware, scores every now and again and although his crossing isn't much cop it's no worse than Brayfords.

Take out that three month loan Brayford had initially and Freeman has been consistently the superior player.

Based on the vast majority of this season he has been better. Whether I'd say superior overall, is something else. Plenty wanted Freeman moving on last year remember. Being better than an injured Brayford didn't make him good last season.

 

[SHOREHAMST.com]

I'd be happy with EEL going back and Brayford replacing him at centre half. I was a little surprised Brayford didn't get put there early on in the season when the defence blatantly needed a reshuffle - something it eventually got.

 

[Ricky]

You think it's the most likely deal. That's not quite the same thing as it actually being the case.

You clearly can't see any irony in your "wound up" comment when you mention it non stop on two boards.

There are a lot more than Higdon and Hall although seeing as Hall had been on a steady decline for four years he is the stand out.

Thanks, that's very generous of you.

Well, I'd like to hear an argument for what's a more likely swap with Burton than McFadzean.

That's because there's zero irony. Unless I've got the meaning of 'wound up' all wrong.

Hall was declining for 4 years when he'd scored or created 35 goals for Southend in the 2011/12 season? We signed him in September 2013. If that's my worst, I'll take that!

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

I really,really,really hope we don't sign McFadzean. He is an agricultural very,very,very poor mans Chris Morgan. At best he's a red card waiting to happen.

 

[MobileBlade]

Think in amongst the bitchfest people have forgotten we actually released Brayford to ease up on the wages.

 

[Jonboy60]

Think in amongst the bitchfest people have forgotten we actually released Brayford to ease up on the wages.

Not according to Deej on page 2 of this thread.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well, I'd like to hear an argument for what's a more likely swap with Burton than McFadzean.

That's because there's zero irony. Unless I've got the meaning of 'wound up' all wrong.

Hall was declining for 4 years when he'd scored or created 35 goals for Southend in the 2011/12 season? We signed him in September 2013. If that's my worst, I'll take that!

More rumour and speculation is it? Like Cheds fee?

So there's no issue with Brayford Clough, just tongue in cheek again?

And they still wanted rid because of his attitude .

Scored 19 in two seasons at Southend. 2 since and currently unattached at 28.

 

[snootyfenooty]

There's a thread running parallel to this one as to who would cut it in the Championship. Brayford would be the first one on my list. Those who are preferring the likes of McFazdean and Freeman ahead of Brayford are having a laugh. I've said it before on here, Brayford would fly in the formation Wilder is employing. Those spewing bile at Clough and dismissing Brayford because of his association with Clough are plain fuckwits.

 

[MobileBlade]

Not according to Deej on page 2 of this thread.

I saw that. At the time, Wilder said:

"This is an opportunity for John to return to the Championship and, of course, he has worked with Nigel Clough on a number of occasions previously.
"This loan enables us to reinvest in other areas before the end of the transfer window. I feel we already have cover in that area of the pitch and we'll look to strengthen in the coming days."

 

[BushBlade]

Not according to Deej on page 2 of this thread.

He was quoting KM though. I've no doubt that KM said it.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

It went under the radar a bit this weekend (or at least I haven't seen it anywhere), but it was the AGM on Saturday and KM did a Q and A at the end.

I'd not heard about this. Any other points of interest, Deej or anyone else who was there?

 

[Sheff de party]

Sorry if someone else has posted this, we need to wait until we keep hold of EEL first before making any decision on Brayford.

If EEL leaves, we need a quality defender in and although they play in different positions, better the devil you know.

 

[blade too long]

lets not forget one of the main reasons for Brayford departing was his slow recovery from a bad injury
he appears to have recovered now, and is technically our player still

if we are in need of defensive cover there it is
a fully fit and functioning defender again

if we need a striker , we concentrate on getting a striker
bartering with makeweights rarely works

 

[Pinchy]

1. Freeman has been a revelation. Great credit to him.
2. Don't want "Fadz". We have other targets better than him.
3. Call for Brayford to replace EEL is crazy. He's not big or strong enough to play centre-back. At his best, he's a superb attacking full-back and there it ends.

 

[Revolution]

My take on Brayford:

- I have no inside knowledge, but the balance of the evidence seems to be that he wanted out at the start of the season, and United were willing to accommodate that.

- I still have a strong suspicion that Brayford was not giving his best effort at the start of this season, and possibly at times last season (when he wasn't alone)

- A fit, motivated Brayford would be a great asset to us, but I have my doubts as to whether he will stay fit and if he is motivated.

- I'd welcome him back if he actually knuckled down and does what is asked of him. Up to Wilder I suppose

- Whatever we do, I want us to not be paying some proportion of his wages despite him playing for someone else. If Burton can carry the lot, fine. If they can't, tough. Someone else will have him or we can have him. We hold all the cards here.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

A few things to throw into the mix:.

1. I'm not sure Burton will stay up.
2. I'm not sure Burton can afford him anyway.
3. Brayford himself has said he's open to a return.

 

[Bayingblade]

It's like the girlfriend that you've split up with, but still wish everything was fine.

You'd like to try again, but you know it won't work.

You probably don't know how profound that analogy is Russ.

 

[Darthblade]

You really need to stop getting so wound up over nothing.

My point about McFadzean is that, errrr..... it's the most likely swap deal with Brayford.

It's not a daily occurrence from me. I'm just the one you notice.

I hope we get as much as we can for Brayford. I'm just sure it won't be more than 300k.

You only seem to remember the bad ones like Higdon and Hall. They have nothing to do with Brayford obviously but it's been a while since you've shoehorned this into anything so I'll let you off.

Errr .... sorry mate but I have to disagree on Brayford's value .......

He's back to decent form now after injury and therefore is one of the better RB's in the championship. On that basis I would suggest that we should be looking for around £1m - £1.5m if we're selling him.

We regularly have our shorts dropped when we sell players so let's not miss out on a decent saleable asset this time .......

Whether the proceeds will be given to Tufty is open to debate ......

UTB & FTP

 

[Fraggle Blade]

I thought Brayford was now actually playing right side of a three at the back for burton?

 

[Grappler]

There is no evidence that John Brayford would do anything other than warm our bench at the minute. By that I mean that CW does not chop and change for the sake of it, he doesn't tinker with a winning team (unless through injury). Freeman has had a good season so far, been very consistent and has chipped in with goals.

 

[TonyAgana]

You probably don't know how profound that analogy is Russ.

Are you eluding to JB's personal circumstances? I read something from somebody's private twitter but that was the first and last time.

 

[JohnDenver]

I thought Brayford was now actually playing right side of a three at the back for burton?

I think that was correct up until they played Preston a couple of weeks ago. He was a traditional fullback there, but I'm not sure if they've reverted since.

 

[madeinsheffield]

I read the Brayford and Coutts partnership at Derby was really successful, we saw the odd flash of an understanding between them at times last season and they are also big mates, it could work again now Coutts is playing well and JB is fit. I think like Freeman he has defensive positioning mistakes in him playing as a back 4, but our current set up would work for him. I also rate him higher than Freeman, although he has improved this season

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I'd definitely bring Brayford back.