Short Goal Kicks

[Macfarlane21]

Slav obviously wants to play out from the back and that always comes with an element of risk which managers and fans have to understand that style of play comes with. However, our short goal kicks our causing us issues most of the time. I personally feel like this is down to the amount of time we take to set up for the goal kicks which allows for the opposition to push up really high and box us in. Furthermore, we then are too deep for a long goal kick. Going forward Olsen needs to be taking the short goal kicks much quicker which means the outfield need to get set quicker too. Anyone else notice this?

 

[FTPE]

I don't like them.
Even against better teams in our first Premiership season I always thought we had a chance of nabbing possession back really high up the pitch.

Even if they are done well they only really commit their strikers to the press anyway, the passing and the movements has to be really crisp to get their midfield pushed forward too. I probably like them less because its my team doing it and it makes me a nervous wreck, we might have the players to do it, I just feel that until our confidence is up and we become much better at defending breaks against us, that it'd suit us better to get wide and and compete to hold the ball up or win 'seconds' deep into their half from a goal kick instead.

 

[Webding]

They have their place and I can see it working for us, but it seems to be that they’ve been told they have to do it every time, so all autonomous thought has gone out the window. There’s a time and a place for just booting it, including a few times yesterday at Bournemouth.

 

[Stu_Blade]

Another problem is when you invite the pressure on it usually ends up back at the keeper which more often than not invites the keeper into kicking long/out of play and handing over the advantage for probably 2 or 3 pointless passes. If you are doing short goal kicks do them for a purpose not just because you can. Most if not all keepers can kick accurately to a zone of 60-70 yards if we are playing hoofball just need a striker that can be competiting with it there.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Another problem is when you invite the pressure on it usually ends up back at the keeper which more often than not invites the keeper into kicking long/out of play and handing over the advantage for probably 2 or 3 pointless passes. If you are doing short goal kicks do them for a purpose not just because you can. Most if not all keepers can kick accurately to a zone of 60-70 yards if we are playing hoofball just need a striker that can be competiting with it there.

The point is that if you get pressed back to your goalkeeper, space has been created. The passes cause the opposition to leave their tight formation to press the ball, which benefits us either way: if we play around the press we can attack with space, if the keeper has to kick long we've got more chance of winning the second ball.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Didn’t see many people complaint when Berge scored against Preston after we played out

Same people moaning will be the same ones wanting mick McCarthy as manager no doubt

 

[Stu_Blade]

The point is that if you get pressed back to your goalkeeper, space has been created. The passes cause the opposition to leave their tight formation to press the ball, which benefits us either way: if we play around the press we can attack with space, if the keeper has to kick long we've got more chance of winning the second ball.

We should have more chance of winning the 2nd ball totally agreed there. The problem is we don't seem to win the 2nd ball/get the luck of winning it which can be frustrating at the best of times

 

[Stu_Blade]

Didn’t see many people complaint when Berge scored against Preston after we played out

Same people moaning will be the same ones wanting mick McCarthy as manager no doubt

When it works it looks quality and we genuinely look a threat but when it doesn't and whoever is playing in goal smacks it into row Z then the confidence drops the opposition crowd lifts and the season in particular the inevitable happens.

 

[Varkanoid]

I actually thought we were better playing out the back than Bournemouth especially first half. With them playing out the back we pressed them quite a few times to either give us the ball or it went out for a throw in.

However I just wish Olsen would hoof it he rarely kicks it out of his hands for the strikers to chase.

 

[1973Blade]

Didn’t see many people complaint when Berge scored against Preston after we played out

Same people moaning will be the same ones wanting mick McCarthy as manager no doubt

I was moaning about it up until we scored, then I shut up!

 

[AWetFlannel]

We should have more chance of winning the 2nd ball totally agreed there. The problem is we don't seem to win the 2nd ball/get the luck of winning it which can be frustrating at the best of times

Agree, but I find it as frustrating as when we kick long straight from the goal kick and lose the 2nd ball.

 

[sitwell]

They are shit. Play in their half instead. When our keeper has the ball our last defender should be 20 yards further up than the penalty area , not behind the fucking keeper ,bollocks to Guardiola. Its alright being a clever cunt when you have Walker ,Stones Laporte etc.

 

[Bartleby]

Carl Asaba (good matchday pundit IMO) mentioned it in the match commentary on Radio Sheff, said (words to the effect of) Olsen is an international keeper and should have the confidence/experience to know when it's not safe to do that and just follow his own instinct rather than obey blindly.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

They are shit. Play in their half instead. When our keeper has the ball our last defender should be 20 yards further up than the penalty area , not behind the fucking keeper ,bollocks to Guardiola. Its alright being a clever cunt when you have Walker ,Stones Laporte etc.

Who went up last season ?

Brentford/Norwich/Watford

All teams who played out from the back

Wouldn’t surprise me if the same blades wanted Steve evans as next manager

 

[sitwell]

And who didnt go up ?

About 16 other clubs who played out from the back.

Pigs do it ,do we use them as a guide ?

Its boring, negative ,dangerous and a fad that wont happen in a couple of years.

Steve Evans ? whats that fat cunt got to do with anything ?

 

[jt64]

They have their place and I can see it working for us, but it seems to be that they’ve been told they have to do it every time, so all autonomous thought has gone out the window.

If something has been worked out to be better, then you keep doing it unless the gamestate tells you not to do it. Twatting it long just concedes possession unless McBurnie is on for the most part, possession is a good thing

 

[Webding]

If something has been worked out to be better, then you keep doing it unless the gamestate tells you not to do it. Twatting it long just concedes possession unless McBurnie is on for the most part, possession is a good thing

Exactly. I’m all for trying it where possible, but the gamestate (is that a word? I’m blaming you if not) on about 20 minutes should have told Olsen to twat it long rather than fluff it straight to Billing.

 

[sitwell]

If something has been worked out to be better, then you keep doing it unless the gamestate tells you not to do it. Twatting it long just concedes possession unless McBurnie is on for the most part, possession is a good thing

Twatting it long isnt the only alternative though is it? What happened to rolling it , throwing it, accurate passing or occasionally taking a gamble on your player winning it MGW did before releasing Sharp for our goal (watch it back) ? Its bollocks just inviting pressure ,if your centre half has it in your box ,you dont want two other defenders there pissing about before losing it or twatting it ,whats the point ?

 

[sitwell]

Didn’t see many people complaint when Berge scored against Preston after we played out

Same people moaning will be the same ones wanting mick McCarthy as manager no doubt

Did you moan after we scored against Bournemouth?

 

[jt64]

Twatting it long isnt the only alternative though is it? What happened to rolling it , throwing it

Could have sworn the thread was about goal kicks?

 

[Jan Age]

I watched Liverpool and Man City today who both play out from the back… difference being they have technically gifted players who can operate in tight spaces and don’t panic when pressed …

 

[Sheff de party]

It’s an accident waiting to happen in my view. We don’t have the players for it because whilst our centre halves are alright on the ball, Norwood and Fleck aren’t strong enough to get the ball facing their own goal and keep it.

 

[Paddy1]

If anyone scores directly from the keeper playing it out to the centre half on the six yard box it’s the fucking goal of the season cos there’s got to be another 15/20 passes before it’s in the back of the net. Once in a blue moon does this happen. Opposition closing centre half down and banging it in the net - happens all the time. Not an advocate of banging it long aimlessly but nothing wrong with put it in the oppositions half when there’s nothing on

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Playing out from the back is fine, pissing about at the back and playing yourself into trouble isn't. It's a subtle difference that some coaches don't seem to recognise, it's one of the main reasons Bournemouth got relegated in the first place, as they had little or no actual playing out, just smaller and smaller triangles getting closer to their own goal until somebody made a mistake. Like most tactics it's best to mix it up rather than doing the same thing every single time.

 

[Blade56]

Slav obviously wants to play out from the back and that always comes with an element of risk which managers and fans have to understand that style of play comes with. However, our short goal kicks our causing us issues most of the time. I personally feel like this is down to the amount of time we take to set up for the goal kicks which allows for the opposition to push up really high and box us in. Furthermore, we then are too deep for a long goal kick. Going forward Olsen needs to be taking the short goal kicks much quicker which means the outfield need to get set quicker too. Anyone else notice this?

I don’t understand tactics evidenced by the fact I’ve been going ‘t Lane for 64 years but these short goal kicks have worked wonders for exercising my prostrate and can go a full 6/7 hours sleep without getting up for a pee.

only thing I have noticed is that real footy teams int PL do it and they get in as much sh!t as we do

 

[Kop sufferer]

Carl Asaba (good matchday pundit IMO) mentioned it in the match commentary on Radio Sheff, said (words to the effect of) Olsen is an international keeper and should have the confidence/experience to know when it's not safe to do that and just follow his own instinct rather than obey blindly.

That's correct, first rule is your GK needs to be comfortable with the football at his feet, from what I've observed so far is Olsen isn't.

 

[Smirth]

We should just kick it as far up the pitch as possible and let Billy Sharp challenge the big centre halves for the ball every time, that's proper football.

 

[Davalon]

Kick it, kick it harder, kick it longer.

Stegosaurus isn't the only dinosaur on here.

 

[Bert]

Bert hates those short goal kicks, but until we have a big battering ram of a centre forward who can win headers or it leads to a few horrendous cock ups it's going to continue.

 

[Need4speed]

From watching football recently I thought the laws had changed and you had to take goal kicks to someone in the box I noticed our under 23s doing it as well. The worse ones are when the defender takes the kick to the keeper and then he just wangs it What is that all about?