Short Corners.........in all the crap, did anyone notice?

[Fulwood Blade]

After all the fall out in the past 24 hours - presume the ones that went should have been impressed with the fact we mixed up the corners a bit.

It is simple things like this that keeps defenders on their toes.

More of the same please? All you need to do in training is perfect a dozen different ones and do a few each game - not rocket science really - EVEN IF IT MEANS PRACTICING IN THE AFTERNOON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UTB

 

[oaklandrdblade]

At least one of the short corners in the 2nd half was rubbish though, Murphy short to Harris and he was already under pressure, didn't want to put it in the box as nobody was expecting it from our team. Looked like Murph took it quick and short without thinking.

 

[Crofton Blade]

Yesterday we took 2 short corners in the first half. Scored from one and goalie tipped over from the other.
It took us about 30 minutes to take another one short (in the 2nd half)- I reckon Cloughie b0llocked them for doing it at half time.

 

[Chezzy Blades]

Yesterday we took 2 short corners in the first half. Scored from one and goalie tipped over from the other.
It took us about 30 minutes to take another one short (in the 2nd half)- I reckon Cloughie b0llocked them for doing it at half time.

I doubt that, there was a noticeable difference in all of the corners yesterday and only 1 or 2 from Baxter were dinked to the front post.

 

[Blade56]

Ironic though that we always put high balls into the box when we had midgets up front then as soon as we put Davies up there we go short! What's that all abart?

 

[LSF]

I think short corners always have a place in set piece situations.
As we are weak on the long version, we may as well try and wrong foot the defenders with a short routine. The short ones looked way more threatening (but ultimately unproductive) than all the long routines ( hoist it in the middle and chase back for the clearance) this season.

 

[DazBlade88]

I don't mind trying short corners, we actually looked dangerous a couple of times.

What I did mind, is that we over-hit about 10 corners, and still nobody thought it might be an idea to make a run towards the back post...

 

[Foxy]

I don't mind trying short corners, we actually looked dangerous a couple of times.

What I did mind, is that we over-hit about 10 corners, and still nobody thought it might be an idea to make a run towards the back post...

That particular annoyance isn't a one off either!

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

After all the fall out in the past 24 hours - presume the ones that went should have been impressed with the fact we mixed up the corners a bit.

You're right - and God Bless You for finding something positive from yesterday.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I don't mind trying short corners, we actually looked dangerous a couple of times.
What I did mind, is that we over-hit about 10 corners, and still nobody thought it might be an idea to make a run towards the back post...

TBF this seems to happen at all levels of football - doesn't make it right though.

Wouldn't be the worst idea in the world for someone to peel off and head out there. Initially they might not even be followed, and therefore they'd be left unmarked, as it's such an unusual run to make.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

I don't mind trying short corners, we actually looked dangerous a couple of times.

What I did mind, is that we over-hit about 10 corners, and still nobody thought it might be an idea to make a run towards the back post...

I think that is something we keep overlooking at United, nobody seems to expect the ball to go past the players. We really need to start thinking about a player at the back post for the sole purpose of picking up the lose ball to create another chance.

 

[Davie Blade]

Ironic though that we always put high balls into the box when we had midgets up front then as soon as we put Davies up there we go short! What's that all abart?

It is utterly astounding how long it has taken our management to work this all out.
How many games into the season is it?
I fear it only dawned on Chough because of a media interview and was a response to fans pressure.( I exaggerate but)
Listen to this and be astounded at the guys cringy sheer incompetence.

Questions Chough :-
Who bought in all the midgets?
They maybe good players in your eyes but if we pose no goal threat at set plays and corners, and concede defending them, what fecking use are they?
Surely football is about getting the balance of the side correct?
Do you have any idea of what percentage of goals are scored from set plays these days in L1?
No maybe you don't because you don't believe in any of this fancy ''high tech''stuff .
Little wonder it was one of the things brought in at Derby as soon as you were removed.
Do you know one of the leading teams using modern methods of ground breaking statistical science data for player recruitment is Brentford!

Little wonder why I want your amateurish stubborn old fashioned crap ways out of my club.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Whilst saying short corners isn't rocket science - all the club has to do is:

get a computer, get on the internet and put "short corners - youtube"

You don't even have to make your own up - just pick the 12 you want, fucking practice them, and lets see a few more.

HELLO, SUFC.........IT Isn't ROCKET SCIENCE...................

UTB

 

[mattbianco1]

I doubt that, there was a noticeable difference in all of the corners yesterday and only 1 or 2 from Baxter were dinked to the front post.

I noticed it. Not a single lofted corner and we must've had about 8 corners in the game

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Does anyone remember that short corner we used to use under Bassett(?) which involved the player receiving the short corner turning and running with the ball back towards our goal and then basically backheeling, or more accurately, back-dragging, the ball into the path of the kicker as he ran into the box.

I remember the bloke sitting next to me remarking on the level of scouting and research pointing out that we did it every week and nobody had cottoned on.

Always looked very dangerous - though I don't remember us ever scoring from it.

 

[Groucho Blade]

I think we scored from that routine away at Wolves...in the 2-2 draw. No doubt I'll be corrected if I'm wrong!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It is utterly astounding how long it has taken our management to work this all out.
How many games into the season is it?
I fear it only dawned on Chough because of a media interview and was a response to fans pressure.( I exaggerate but)
Listen to this and be astounded at the guys cringy sheer incompetence.

Questions Chough :-
Who bought in all the midgets?
They maybe good players in your eyes but if we pose no goal threat at set plays and corners, and concede defending them, what fecking use are they?
Surely football is about getting the balance of the side correct?
Do you have any idea of what percentage of goals are scored from set plays these days in L1?
No maybe you don't because you don't believe in any of this fancy ''high tech''stuff .
Little wonder it was one of the things brought in at Derby as soon as you were removed.
Do you know one of the leading teams using modern methods of ground breaking statistical science data for player recruitment is Brentford!

Little wonder why I want your amateurish stubborn old fashioned crap ways out of my club.

A reasoned opinion on why you want Nigel out.

Whilst I don't agree it's refreshing to see an argument that is well put and not just a rant.

 

[Silent Blade]

Does anyone remember that short corner we used to use under Bassett(?) which involved the player receiving the short corner turning and running with the ball back towards our goal and then basically backheeling, or more accurately, back-dragging, the ball into the path of the kicker as he ran into the box.

I remember the bloke sitting next to me remarking on the level of scouting and research pointing out that we did it every week and nobody had cottoned on.

Always looked very dangerous - though I don't remember us ever scoring from it.

The first time we used this was in the FA Cup match at Norwich in February 1989. Martin Pike passed the corner to Tony Agana who turned round and then back heeling it to Pike who whacked a cross that just missed the heads of Bob Booker and Deano. The first success of this short corner routine was Stancliffe heading in a Roberts and Agana move at Wolves in May 1989.

There were more successes

Paul Beesley (Hodges and Agana) v West Ham (h) in August 1991
Brian Gayle (Hodges and Carr) v Spurs (a) in March 1994

 

[Davie Blade]

A reasoned opinion on why you want Nigel out.

Whilst I don't agree it's refreshing to see an argument that is well put and not just a rant.

I do live amongst a ton of derby fans. so take that as opening salvo.
So in some ways I do get a few insights.

One day soon, I might just feed a lot host more reasons to get rid and post it to Jim Phipps.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

It is utterly astounding how long it has taken our management to work this all out.
How many games into the season is it?
I fear it only dawned on Chough because of a media interview and was a response to fans pressure.

The first time we used this was in the FA Cup match at Norwich in February 1989. Martin Pike passed the corner to Tony Agana who turned round and then back heeling it to Pike who whacked a cross that just missed the heads of Bob Booker and Deano. The first success of this short corner routine was Stancliffe heading in a Roberts and Agana move at Wolves in May 1989.

There were more successes

Paul Beesley (Hodges and Agana) v West Ham (h) in August 1991
Brian Gayle (Hodges and Carr) v Spurs (a) in March 1994

Thanks for posting that, especially Stan's goal.

We were at this for five years without being sussed!? The routine looked dangerous - and I was always surprised more didn't come of it.

 

[Silent Blade]

Thanks for posting that, especially Stan's goal.

We were at this for five years without being sussed!? The routine looked dangerous - and I was always surprised more didn't come of it.

I remember we had one more in the 7-2 ZDS win against Oldham. Bryson took the corner and Gannon twisted and turned (no backheel) then passing it back to Bryson to play the ball low for our scorer (cant remember who) to put it in

The first goal in the 6-0 win against Spurs in March 1993 fooled the Spurs defence cos they seemed prepared for it only for Carr to turn round and blasting the ball into the net instead of passing the ball back to the corner taker (two Spurs defenders were running towards the corner taker)

 

[Silent Blade]

We were at this for five years without being sussed!? The routine looked dangerous - and I was always surprised more didn't come of it.

Been thinking this morning about the occasions when this corner routine failed. I remember there were a few occasions when the linesman flagged the corner taker offside after the corner taker received the return pass because the opposition defenders had moved away from the net to put the corner taker in an offside position. We then stopped using this routine for a while

 

[Darthblade]

After all the fall out in the past 24 hours - presume the ones that went should have been impressed with the fact we mixed up the corners a bit.

It is simple things like this that keeps defenders on their toes.

More of the same please? All you need to do in training is perfect a dozen different ones and do a few each game - not rocket science really - EVEN IF IT MEANS PRACTICING IN THE AFTERNOON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UTB

What is all this talk about "practicing" ??
On the evidence of the home matches this season so far we just make it up as we go along, there is no evidence of practicing anything !!
We have dominated one single game at home .... Gillingham. This is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE by any standards and the players and Management should hang their heads in shame and offer a full and complete apology to all the long-suffering United supporters that have endured the utter dross we have invariably been subjected to this season.
UTB & FTP

 

[Fulwood Blade]

What is all this talk about "practicing" ??
UTB & FTP

It all depends what we do practice?

If I could say one thing to Nigel Clough and to his predecessors Wier and Wilson.

"WE NEED TO PRACTICE AGAINST TEAMS WHO COME TO BDTBL AND CLOSE OUR SPACE DOWN.

WE HAVE NOT NOW OR IN THE DISTANT PASTE GOT A CLUE HOW TO PLAY AGAINST THESE TEAMS

WE FAIL EVERYTIME WHEN A TEAM PRESSES US - IT MAKES ME SO CROSS BECUASE IT IS ONE OF THE BASICS OF FOOTBALL"

anyway, just in case anyone from the club wants to know the answer............it is called "pass and MOVE" - not pass to a static player who is stood still and then amble somewhere else"

Rant over.

UTB

 

[Darthblade]

It all depends what we do practice?

If I could say one thing to Nigel Clough and to his predecessors Wier and Wilson.

"WE NEED TO PRACTICE AGAINST TEAMS WHO COME TO BDTBL AND CLOSE OUR SPACE DOWN.

WE HAVE NOT NOW OR IN THE DISTANT PASTE GOT A CLUE HOW TO PLAY AGAINST THESE TEAMS

WE FAIL EVERYTIME WHEN A TEAM PRESSES US - IT MAKES ME SO CROSS BECUASE IT IS ONE OF THE BASICS OF FOOTBALL"

anyway, just in case anyone from the club wants to know the answer............it is called "pass and MOVE" - not pass to a static player who is stood still and then amble somewhere else"

Rant over.

UTB

Great point .... we noted it on Saturday that most of the time, a player made a pass and then stood still to " let somebody else get on with it " !!
Little or no movement off the ball ............ movement is how you usually break down "sitting" teams.
We seemed to have little in the way of ideas and have resorted to lots of aimless long balls recently, which are a complete waste of time.

And whilst we're having a rant .... why the f**k can we not cross a ball any more ??? We are back to the days of hitting the first man every time ...
Don't even get me started bloody goalkeeping errors ........
UTB & FTP

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Just watched Bayern's 3rd goal. Great goal and im(h)o worth resurrecting this thread for.

I expect to see something similar on Saturday at Scunthorpe.

UTB

 

[Darthblade]

Just watched Bayern's 3rd goal. Great goal and im(h)o worth resurrecting this thread for.

I expect to see something similar on Saturday at Scunthorpe.

UTB

I suspect; based on the evidence of this season so far, that you're more likely to experience a great "Muller Corner " this season whilst watching the R&W wizards ...... I cannot believe that we have practiced ANY corner or free kick routines for some considerable time !!
UTB & FTP

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Our short corner to go 1-0 up at Scunthorpe on Saturday starts at about 4:34. Video *should* too. Let's see.

 

[bornablade]

Just seen Jags have a greater header cleared off the line from an Everton corner. Maybe I've got it wrong but I can't remember Jags ever causing any problems when we had corners. The problem has probably been around for longer than we think.

 

[JohnDenver]

The problem has probably been around for longer than we think.

Not sure about that - Harry was a terrific threat from corners. Collins had loads of chances too, but was an appalling finisher.

Delivery is only half the story - you also need big, brave determined players to attack them. We have none.