Sheffield's Shame

[alcoblade]

I have to say that I feel a little sad and embarrased when I walk round Sheffield. The Moor is a complete dump and the rest of the city centre isn't much better...the money thats been squandered over the years by the city council (Hole in the Road, Town Hall extension etc.) borders on criminal.

That's the biggest shame. The credit crunch posponed the Moor and Sevenstone redevelopments leaving a mess. But there's lots of decent parts of the city, and not all the money has been squandered.

UTB

 

[boo radley]

There is still passion in the city.

This is a prime example, the perpetrators should be awarded the freedom of the city

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...m-so-hated-voters-spit-at-me-115875-22677401/

Dont you think he looks more like cameron every day - they say dogs look like their owners.
That bastards got a lot to do to start making good his wank calls so far.
Forgemasters a world renowned company that all the city supports will now not make that specialist steel. It will now be made in Japan or Korea.
yet cameron in his speach to the CBI last week said that government will try to become partners with industry and invest NOT LOAN invest.
Clegg just to appear unfavoring to Sheffield pulls the LOAN. Traitor of the highest order.
The City council dont help either. The world cup bid, they must have known that Hillsborough would be prefered and they could have told Mc Cabe and done some talking to the FA and McCabe. What did all that situation do but divide the city even further. Now a lot of us could not now give a toss if England win the world cup bid or not, it does appear sometimes that we are continually kicked in the teeth.
If Sheffield Has a prem club for more than one season it does start to generate interest throughout the world and further investment would surley follow. The council should therefore support the endevours of BOTH clubs to get there without appearing to do so at the cost of a school or Hospital.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Just a question, how many teams have not been relegated from the Premier League? I.e. How many clubs have been there from the 1st day when Deano slammed home two against Man U?

Seven. Arsenal, Aston Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United, and Tottenham.

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United have under-achieved throughout nearly 40 years I've supported them, bar the early 70s, a period under Bassett and maybe a couple of flashes from Warnock.
Wednesday have been better and achieved much more in the 80s and 90s though they've been a car crash for a decade now.
But I don't buy the city not making stuff argument. There's sod all left in Stoke, Wigan, Blackburn, Derby and plenty more places but better run, more successful football teams.
And plenty of northern cities rely on big numbers of public sector jobs, not just Sheffield.

Whoa whoa whoa. You're not allowed to say that on here. Apparently it means you're a Wednesday fan posting in disguise.

 

[JohnDenver]

Whoa whoa whoa. You're not allowed to say that on here. Apparently it means you're a Wednesday fan posting in disguise.

Err... It's a statistical fact using just about any measure you choose. But with a bit of luck they'll be in the bottom tier next season and these memories will be all they have.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Err... It's a statistical fact using just about any measure you choose.

I know it is but you're not allowed to say it. It upsets Deano and a few other posters too much.

 

[SwissBlade]

I have to say that I feel a little sad and embarrased when I walk round Sheffield. The Moor is a complete dump and the rest of the city centre isn't much better...the money thats been squandered over the years by the city council (Hole in the Road, Town Hall extension etc.) borders on criminal.

Crikey, why would you walk down the moor, its a disgrace, but thats more to do with whats down there....

City centre is looking great nowadays, but its the rest outside thats not great

 

[lenners]

Seven. Arsenal, Aston Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United, and Tottenham.

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Whoa whoa whoa. You're not allowed to say that on here. Apparently it means you're a Wednesday fan posting in disguise.

Statistical actuality.
Just as SUFC were far superior in the 70s and superior since 2000 or so.
The biggest unknown for United has been potential and what could be achieved, beyond occasional glimpses.
Sadly, McCabe's mismanagement and now disinterest has chucked the possibility of reaching somewhere near our potential away.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

The problem with Sheffield is that it happens time and time again, its like a bloody cracked record. I vaguely remember some "grand plan" for a covered shopping centre up Angel Street from the old ABC Cinema site (remember that place? I absolutely loved it as a kid! (i've probably got my rose-tinted specs on))....that fell on its arse and the ABC site was left derelict for donkey's years. Apparently the Moor had some potentially nice Victorian arcades that were knocked down in the name of progress. Why do other cities seem to able to do what Sheffield can't?

 

[grafikhaus]

Now this is an interesting thread! Can't spend too much time at the moment, but as a previous poster said 'dogs resemble their owners'. Absolutely true, but don't you think that football teams resemble their supporters? Look at Man U. Liverpool, Chelsea etc. Smug, self-satisfied bastards that have never grafted a day in their lives. Look at Leeds and Millwall. Inbred thuggish idiots. And look at Sheffield Wednesday. Natural born Labourites (Betts, Blunkett, Ashton, Hattersley, Richards et al) who think that if you pillage enough of (other) people's money, it all makes it good.

As I've said on previous forums, Reg Brealey invited me down for a personal meeting where he showed me the plans for the new Bramall Lane. The reason we didn't get it? The small minded wankers in power at the Town Hall. I have absolute proof of this.

All I know is, as I shuffled out of Beautiful Downtown Bramall Lane on Saturday, there was this old boy in front of me. Must have been in his eighties. He had trouble with his walking stick and had a hard time putting one foot in front of the other. It was getting cold. It was beginning to drizzle. And, on this late-October day I thought 'If he can make the effort, as long as I've got breath in my body, I'll make the effort.'

 

[Sensiblade]

Now this is an interesting thread! Can't spend too much time at the moment, but as a previous poster said 'dogs resemble their owners'. Absolutely true, but don't you think that football teams resemble their supporters? Look at Man U. Liverpool, Chelsea etc. Smug, self-satisfied bastards that have never grafted a day in their lives. Look at Leeds and Millwall. Inbred thuggish idiots. And look at Sheffield Wednesday. Natural born Labourites (Betts, Blunkett, Ashton, Hattersley, Richards et al) who think that if you pillage enough of (other) people's money, it all makes it good.

As I've said on previous forums, Reg Brealey invited me down for a personal meeting where he showed me the plans for the new Bramall Lane. The reason we didn't get it? The small minded wankers in power at the Town Hall. I have absolute proof of this.

All I know is, as I shuffled out of Beautiful Downtown Bramall Lane on Saturday, there was this old boy in front of me. Must have been in his eighties. He had trouble with his walking stick and had a hard time putting one foot in front of the other. It was getting cold. It was beginning to drizzle. And, on this late-October day I thought 'If he can make the effort, as long as I've got breath in my body, I'll make the effort.'

Sensi uses 'Thank you' button

 

[sitwell]

Sheffield - city on the move wasn't it , backwards though , thats the problem. I moved out of 'my city' 12 years ago ,not far, but I felt let down by the people who run it. I run a company based in attercliffe for over 20 years but only 5% of my customers come fro Sheffield. It looks old and run down ,the new bits look artificial ,it has no discerning landmarks or tourist attractions. I'm still proud to say I come from Sheffield but thats due to its past and when you said 20 years ago you were from Sheffield people knew where it was ,foreigners have never heard of it these days. I don't know if I'm on my own in this but a night down town doesn't feel like 'my town' anymore ,and my kids only go to visit relatives or Meadowhall. I would never admit it to an outsider but Leeds has easily overtaken us as the 'capital of Yorkshire and when they eventually get back in the premiership (which will be before the Sheffield teams) the will leave us standing.

 

[broomhillblade]

Hasn't Sheffield always been known as the 'largest village in Yorkshire'?

It has never had a true city centre, unlike many towns (maybe Meadowhall has now become the beating heart of the city). I quite like what they've done around the town hall/crucible/millenium gallery area - although what a Winter Garden has to do with Sheffield's steel heritage, I'll never know).

When I moved back to Sheffield in 1984, after 19 years abroad, we bought Seb Coe's parents' former house in Marlborough Road, Broomhill. The pavements were a mess and the road was potholed. We were told 'the pavements were due to be redone a couple of years ago - they'll be getting round to them soon'. We left in 2004 and the pavements had still not been fixed, and the potholes in the road were worse. The last time I visited Marlborough Road, a few months ago, nothing had changed. The World Student Games have been blamed for the city's financial mess and I suspect the Council are still paying off the debt.

Blunkett, Betts and co have a lot to answer for.

 

[Bladesway]

It doesn't punch its weight economically

Speaking as one of those who left 6 years ago (If I may) the above statement says everything. It doesn't punch its weight it never will either. Why do you think people talk the place down? Its a nice enough city, its not a bad place but it spends too long gazing at its own belly button wondering what went wrong, then blaming all and everyone else.

I love Sheffield, its my home town but Lenners is once more on the money with both the football and the business side of the city. Its not all shit, but it is in the main.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Speaking as one of those who left 6 years ago (If I may) the above statement says everything. It doesn't punch its weight it never will either. Why do you think people talk the place down? Its a nice enough city, its not a bad place but it spends too long gazing at its own belly button wondering what went wrong, then blaming all and everyone else.

I love Sheffield, its my home town but Lenners is once more on the money with both the football and the business side of the city. Its not all shit, but it is in the main.

The two football clubs reflect the small time attitude of the city. Its this "it'll be reyt" attitude that everyone has. Most people from Sheffield are the same.....working class roots, relatively humble and unambitious. They'll settle with what is comfortable. I'm not suggesting everyone is like that because you meet all kinds of people wherever you go but the whole mood of the place encourages people to settle for what they have. Its been hammered into folk down the years.

If you complain about anything then you're called a moaner and that you should stop being mardy and "gerr on wi it." Settle for what you've got is the overriding theme and our football club is the same. Despite what they tell us (about ambition) its simply too easy for SUFC to settle for being a mediocre second tier club that likes to have a little adventure on the cheap every now and again. Wednesday are a bit more ambitious but when it comes to the crunch they haven't the stomach for it.

I love my club and I am still very proud to tell people I'm from Sheffield. Very proud of my roots but the place and its football clubs have always been the same. They'll never change.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Left Sheffield nearly 7 years ago now, and only return to catch the odd game or to see my mum. My mum's now moved out Tickhill way so i can't see myself coming into Sheffield that much anymore.

The only thing i miss about Sheffield really is the Peak District.

 

[super_pig]

>Two horribly mismanaged clubs
and a horribly mismanaged city.. funny thing is that those who put the city in this mess.. blunkett, betts and cabourn, then went on to do the same thing to the country..
the whole town centre consists of the bit between the top of the moor and half way up division street.. whoever gave the ok to the meadowhall development should be shot.. sheffield.. the only city in the world with a major shopping centre within ten miles of the city centre.. i prefer to shop in nottingham.. it's only half an hour down the m1

>The reason we didn't get it? The small minded wankers in power at the Town Hall. I have absolute proof of this.
grafik is absolutely spot on.. my ex was the daughter of the architect involved.. he was convinced they kiboshed the project because they were all wednesdayites.. he had no interest in football per se.. he was from out of town and was a rugby man, so couldn't be accused of bias

sheffield is a shit hole.. my missus has escape to the country on series repeat.. the only thing keeping me here is the blades.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

>Two horribly mismanaged clubs
and a horribly mismanaged city.. funny thing is that those who put the city in this mess.. blunkett, betts and cabourn, then went on to do the same thing to the country..
the whole town centre consists of the bit between the top of the moor and half way up division street.. whoever gave the ok to the meadowhall development should be shot.. sheffield.. the only city in the world with a major shopping centre within ten miles of the city centre.. i prefer to shop in nottingham.. it's only half an hour down the m1

If you think Meadowhall "killed off" Sheffield city centre you are wrong. The city centre was terrible compared to nearby competition (Nottingham, Leeds...) long before it opened, anyway the Trafford Centre is less than five miles away from Manchester city centre, and Manchester appears to have tackled the competition well.

 

[alcoblade]

Not so shameless then......

Let's flee Sheffield to the host of major cities that have left us standing in every way.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326769/British-cities-grow-jobless-homes.html



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I don't know if I'm on my own in this but a night down town doesn't feel like 'my town' anymore

I suspect that says more about the effects of age than it does about Sheffield nightlife. It has improved enormously from 20 years ago. Cairo Jax and a few spread out boozers - at least age seems to improve the memories.......

UTB

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If you think Meadowhall "killed off" Sheffield city centre you are wrong. The city centre was terrible compared to nearby competition (Nottingham, Leeds...) long before it opened, anyway the Trafford Centre is less than five miles away from Manchester city centre, and Manchester appears to have tackled the competition well.

Agreed. What Meadowhall did was kill off the cities ability to rejuvenate it's center's retail offering. It was always shite. At least there's now a plan, even though the credit crunch has it on hold.

UTB

 

[Highbury_Blade]

>whoever gave the ok to the meadowhall development should be shot.. sheffield.. the only city in the world with a major shopping centre within ten miles of the city centre.. i prefer to shop in nottingham.. it's only half an hour down the m1

Trafford Centre _ Manchester, Westfield - London, Liverpool One, MetroCentre in Gateshead, the list goes on.

If meadowhall caused the closure of many shops in the city centre, then it was because those shops were crap and didn't adjust to the competition

 

[S64 Blade]

>Two horribly mismanaged clubs
and a horribly mismanaged city.. funny thing is that those who put the city in this mess.. blunkett, betts and cabourn, then went on to do the same thing to the country..
the whole town centre consists of the bit between the top of the moor and half way up division street.. whoever gave the ok to the meadowhall development should be shot.. sheffield.. the only city in the world with a major shopping centre within ten miles of the city centre.. i prefer to shop in nottingham.. it's only half an hour down the m1

If you think Meadowhall "killed off" Sheffield city centre you are wrong. The city centre was terrible compared to nearby competition (Nottingham, Leeds...) long before it opened, anyway the Trafford Centre is less than five miles away from Manchester city centre, and Manchester appears to have tackled the competition well.

Manchester has a much bigger catchment area than Sheffield and it is also wealthier.

I think a lot of Sheffield's 'problems' do actually come down to its humbleness. But then again, that's what makes the city unique in other respects. The city has had a lot of bad luck over the years, but it needs to start creating some too. Trying to attract large business to the city would be a good move. I'm currently in my final year at University and have been looking to apply at large businesses in the financial sector and very few have offices in Sheffield, but do in Manchester and to a lesser extent Leeds. Getting better paid jobs in the city's economy is key in my opinion, for obvious reasons.

 

[Revolution]

If you think Meadowhall "killed off" Sheffield city centre you are wrong.

Anyone who thinks Meadowhall has had no role in the decline of Sheffield city centre as a shopping destination is wilfully shutting their eyes to the obvious.

 

[S64 Blade]

Trafford Centre _ Manchester, Westfield - London, Liverpool One, MetroCentre in Gateshead, the list goes on.

If meadowhall caused the closure of many shops in the city centre, then it was because those shops were crap and didn't adjust to the competition

Out of the list of shopping centres the Metro is probably the only one that can be compared to Meadowhall. But then again, probably works well with the city centre due to that area of the country being relatively sparse in terms of large towns to go shopping. I've mentioned the Trafford centre in my other post, Liverpool One is in the city centre so can't be compared (this is basically Liverpool's version of Sevenstone, Westfield is in London, so again is in a league of its own.

The reason why Meadowhall does so well is nothing to do with the quality or lack of quality of shops in the city centre. It's down to the very low rent that Meadowhall can offer retailers.

 

[Revolution]

The reason why Meadowhall does so well is nothing to do with the quality or lack of quality of shops in the city centre. It's down to the very low rent that Meadowhall can offer retailers.

The two major reasons Meadowhall has done well: easy access and free parking.

When Meadowhall opened, parking charges in the city were rising and the centre of town was a building site due to Supertram - oh, and bus fares were going up after deregulation. That opened the floodgates to go to Meadowhall.

 

[raul]

I'd argue Mhell is a net conributor to Sheffield rather than a drain. Take any of the trains from Leeds to Sheffield that stop at the Villages Of The Damned en route. Full of people, all of whom get out at Mhell, no-one continues into Sheffield. If Mhell didn't exist, they wouldn't come at all.

 

[super_pig]

'In a 2010 survey of forecast expenditure at retail centres in the United Kingdom, Meadowhall was ranked 12th and Sheffield city centre 19th.[77]'
source wikipedia.. linking to a legitimate source:hello:

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

If you think Meadowhall "killed off" Sheffield city centre you are wrong.

Anyone who thinks Meadowhall has had no role in the decline of Sheffield city centre as a shopping destination is wilfully shutting their eyes to the obvious.

The only thing it made obvious was giving people a choice. Its no wonder they choose to go to Meadowhall than go to town. It was in decline for donkey's years before Meadowhall opened. The City Council and the muppets who were in charge during the 80's are the ones who should answer why Sheffield wasn't equipped to compete with other cities in the North, let alone an out of town shopping mall!