Sheffield United Ltd Accounts

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west_yorks_blade said:
I'm quietly confident that we will achieve resolution to this discussion very soon now.

Both sides seem open to counter arguments and seem ready to compromise.
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Pick an obscure point that no one has any facts about
Moan about it loads
When someone asks you about the "facts" to substantiate what you're moaning about, ask them about the "facts" that counter what you're moaning about
Repeat ad nauseum

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pommpey said:
You almost sound like you don't believe the information given in the accounts.



No. What I want to know (which is another question you fail to answer, like 'where's the proof the Desso was needed?') is

a. who bankrolled the Desso? (you said above, you knew this)
b. how much for Murphy? (you said you knew this too)

If you don't know, that's okay Sean. It would be worth your while mind to admit you came out with a couple of fucking whoppers just to try to see me off, and that effectively, anything else that gets fired into your keyboard from now on needs to be taken with a pinch of salt and regarded as arsewipe.



Ah. So you do know? Is it McCabe? Is it the Prince? Is it you? Is it Selahattin Stabby?

pommpey
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Well never one to leave a bone unchewed, ive gone through my posts "above" by which I assume this thread and nowhere do I state I know how much Murphy cost. Regarding the Desso, the only person to put any cost or value on it is you at £1.2m. So, not to put too fine a point on it you're a liar. An Internet liar, probably the most laughable kind. Of course you know have a chance to highlight where you've imagined ive said this and prove me wrong although I'm not holding my breath.

Even the biggest idiot on here would recognise a cash shortfall is either dealt with by debt or injections of capital, so, whoever injected the money in a share issue funded the shortfall. Okay so far?

There is the point of course that Jim Phipps said the unexpected FA Cup windfall would pay for the Desso but that was in an earlier tax year and helped with the, Err, losses for that year. Got it so far?

The 2015 accounts give more information on capital expenditure on tangible assets especially "work under construction" which gives a total for the Desso, the Shirecliffe pitch and the bore holes (pun unintended). However, as has been explained to you there is no individual breakdown of that total which is no good to you because you want the exact cost of the Desso which has upset you so much. Try reading them.

Now off you trot and try and "prove" you aren't the liar you have shown yourself to be. You know how to use multi quote so it should be easy Billy.
 
pommpey said:
So, you lied. And you don't know.

It's okay to admit it, Sean. No one on here will think less of you feller. Honest.

pommpey
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Show me where I said I knew how much Murphy cost. You can't, it didn't happen.

I think less of you for stating an obvious untruth. It's a wankers trick. A lying wanker at that. It shows the lack of ability to debate. First laughable veiled aggression now mendacity. You need to grow up "feller", or give your self esteem a polish.
 
The Desso pitch comment was obviously about your fixation with something you'll find was effectively paid for by someone else, certainly not you, by them bankrolling the losses. But again , bit of a dead horse, but the thread was about the rent. Which you don't seem able to accept for some reason.
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You said it was 'paid for by someone else' by 'bankrolling the losses'.

I say if you know who, spill the beans. You mentioned the Desso, trying to be clever. I called you out on your assumed global knowledge. You apparently know fuck all, because you can't back up your proclamations. Um ... I think that's 'the end'.

Oddly enough being under contract for that length of time got United a better price.
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Oddly enough, you are alluding you are so in the loop, you know that because he was under a new contract, we got a better price. I say 'what price'? I say, 'how much did his then recent contract signing improve the price'. You say 'I did not say that'. I say you're full of shit, and a little over indulged because you think you blind folk on here with your low-end accountancy blurb, but can't answer basic questions like:

a. Who bankrolled the Desso?
b. How much for Murphy?

Like I say, only a firm 'I don't know, and I was bullshitting' will suffice now Sean. You are hoist by your own petard.

pommpey
 
Sean Thornton said:
I love the way you understandably have a downer on this but appear to read it in its entirety.

Anyway, seeing as it's descended into a lie fest by Pommpey it probably is the time to finally let it go.
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Yup. Trot along. You have been exposed and despite your assumed supremacy, still cant answer the questions and your undercarriage is shot to fuck.

McCabe awaits your presence. Off you fuck.

pommpey
 
Coily said:
Just a couple of quick questions on this. Are you saying that the purchase of the new pitch was the sole reason why Jamie Murphy went to Brighton? Or just, due to the proximity of events, that the two are inextricably linked?

And had we not installed the pitch, would we have been able to keep him in your view?
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pommpey said:
Well. Let's look at the evidence.

1. We install the pitch, closed season 2015
2. We sell Murphy when season opens 2015

*scratches beard*

I'm struggling with this one, Holmes.

pommpey
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Cheers for replying.

So are you saying then that had we not installed the pitch, we would have been able to keep Murphy?

I don't think sufficient importance has been factored into the simple fact that Murphy wanted to go. He wasn't forced from BDTBL kicking and screaming, far from it. And he would have been at once mad and a pretty shit professional had he not wanted to go to the Championship. Taking into further consideration his having a pre-season with Adkins and the 4-0 at Gillingham, his reaching for a life jacket makes further sense. Sure he had a contract, but to think we could keep him under contract and expect him to perform in the knowledge he could up his money and play at a higher standard is frankly naive. The contract from a clubs POV is as much to ensure a selling fee as anything else and sometimes it's best to make a (very decent) return on investment.
 
pommpey said:
Well. Let's look at the evidence.

1. We install the pitch, closed season 2015
2. We sell Murphy when season opens 2015

*scratches beard*



pommpey
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The decision to install the Desso pitch was taken at the end of Cloughs first season when it was duly ordered
we had to wait 12 months as the contractors can only install a couple a season it was said it was to be paid out the profit from the FA Cup run. I think £850k was mentioned at the time

The Murphy sale had nothing to do with installing the Desso pitch
At the end of the day Murphy wanted to go to a decent Championship club to further his international career

Id shave the beard off if it itches
 



Coily said:
Cheers for replying.

So are you saying then that had we not installed the pitch, we would have been able to keep Murphy?

I don't think sufficient importance has been factored into the simple fact that Murphy wanted to go. He wasn't forced from BDTBL kicking and screaming, far from it. And he would have been at once mad and a pretty shit professional had he not wanted to go to the Championship. Taking into further consideration his having a pre-season with Adkins and the 4-0 at Gillingham, his reaching for a life jacket makes further sense. Sure he had a contract, but to think we could keep him under contract and expect him to perform in the knowledge he could up his money and play at a higher standard is frankly naive. The contract from a clubs POV is as much to ensure a selling fee as anything else and sometimes it's best to make a (very decent) return on investment.
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Good answer, but the other factoring is his signing of a three year deal the previous January, Murphy signed a deal to keep him at BDTBL until 2017 and gave interviews which were pretty encouraging to accompany this. Seven months later, he's fucking gone. No word of his discontent, no indications of his drop in form. The Gillingham game was a team fuck up, not just Murphy and all accounts given have him putting in a lone shift out left.

I am suggesting we needed cash to pay for a folly and Murphy was the vehicle. Note, it is a suggestion.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
You said it was 'paid for by someone else' by 'bankrolling the losses'.

I say if you know who, spill the beans. You mentioned the Desso, trying to be clever. I called you out on your assumed global knowledge. You apparently know fuck all, because you can't back up your proclamations. Um ... I think that's 'the end'.



Oddly enough, you are alluding you are so in the loop, you know that because he was under a new contract, we got a better price. I say 'what price'? I say, 'how much did his then recent contract signing improve the price'. You say 'I did not say that'. I say you're full of shit, and a little over indulged because you think you blind folk on here with your low-end accountancy blurb, but can't answer basic questions like:

a. Who bankrolled the Desso?
b. How much for Murphy?

Like I say, only a firm 'I don't know, and I was bullshitting' will suffice now Sean. You are hoist by your own petard.

pommpey
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Well here's the full quote below about Murphys contract complete with "Just a thought" and "maybe". and "I don't know" Changes the context somewhat. Not even a good try really is it. So that's one of your lies proven.

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Oddly enough being under contract for that length of time got United a better price. Just a thought.
Maybe that was McCabes plan all along, get him on a decent deal and cash in. I don't know. And you certainly don't.

Joined up thinking can be a Godsend at times, much better than made up mumbo fucking jumbo. "

I don't know"" is the clincher, yet you reckon yu kept asking me after I'd said that? Why would anyone do that?

No, the loop bit was clearly about the "overseas man" comment. As you know because you invented some accounts note and showed surprise that someone, although we never found out who, had "gone" without anyone on here noticing. More fantasy.

Desso funding dealt with a couple of posts ago. Have you ignored it? But here's an idea, put your head over the parapet and tell us who did pay for it, go on, commit for once.

Someone else posted the timeline facts about the Desso now though
 
Jamie Murphy was disappointed when Clough left. Before Clough he was a reasonable player and Clough turned him into our match winner. As soon as Adkins arrived Murphy could tell we were going nowhere and he wanted out.

He had a word with the board but due to an Anglo/Scottish misunderstanding thought they'd said 'You're on your way to Burton.' The rest is history.
 
twofootedtackle said:
Look ladies we now have one of the best playing surfaces in football at the oldest professional ground in the world and a better team than when Murphy was shying challenges .enjoy life and enjoy tufftys blades . utb ftp
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Don't be ridiculous feller, everything is shit huh?

Berrt
 
Pedro Verde said:
The decision to install the Desso pitch was taken at the end of Cloughs first season when it was duly ordered
we had to wait 12 months as the contractors can only install a couple a season it was said it was to be paid out the profit from the FA Cup run. I think £850k was mentioned at the time

The Murphy sale had nothing to do with installing the Desso pitch
At the end of the day Murphy wanted to go to a decent Championship club to further his international career

Id shave the beard off if it itches
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Don't talk stupid. We ordered the Desso pitch a full year before Jamie Murphy was sold and simply wrote the Desso guys an IOU that read "when we sell Murphy, you can have some cash" and from a business perspective they were over the moon with it.

What if Murphy had broke his leg that season? Would we have had to have cancel the order? is an IOU counted in the accounts or do they have to wait until it's cashed in?
 
Bert said:
Rushed home from work did we? Straight back on here..... still obsessing about a football pitch.

Watch out they're all out to get you....
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No, not quite. Break between discussions with delegates, and colleagues from the ACA about engineering training, standard operating procedures and all things essential to keep both of our new 70000 tonne Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers running, up here in Scotland, you see. When I have time, I'll gladly contribute, rather than have the board dominated by clearly insane curmudgeons like Bert who these days is sounding more like he's ready for the commode and bib, rather than anything to do with Sheffield United.

pommppey
 
S5Blade said:
Don't talk stupid. We ordered the Desso pitch a full year before Jamie Murphy was sold and simply wrote the Desso guys an IOU that read "when we sell Murphy, you can have some cash" and from a business perspective they were over the moon with it.

What if Murphy had broke his leg that season? Would we have had to have cancel the order? is an IOU counted in the accounts or do they have to wait until it's cashed in?
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Im sure we would have had to pay some money upfront upon the placement of the contract the rest of the money would be due on satisfactory completeion of the work. Penalty clauses would have been inserted as the Desso company would have turned down / delayed other work to fit SUFC into their schedule
 
Pedro Verde said:
Im sure we would have had to pay some money upfront upon the placement of the contract the rest of the money would be due on satisfactory completeion of the work. Penalty clauses would have been inserted as the Desso company would have turned down / delayed other work to fit SUFC into their schedule
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Who told you that pal, Kev's lap dog?
 



Rodders said:
Pommpey's clearly still rattled from getting called out for calling United's performance on Saturday as "bobbah" from the comfort of the poop deck.
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A correction. I referred thus:

"How come since the second player was sent of vs Shrews we have turned into bobbar?"

At that time we were once again firing all sorts at Swindon's net and dominating the game, yet we couldn't score. We'd also dropped points and the crucial game in had advantage had evaporated.

Unless at that time (0-0) you thought different?

Happy to help.

pommpey
 
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