Sheffield Pals at Bramall Lane

[Highbury_Blade]

Extract from sample paper, Key Stage 2 (age 11) Grammar, Punctuation & Spelling test 2016. National 'pass rate' = 72%

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I couldn't answer that correctly, but that's because only once in my life have I ever needed to know the difference and that was decades ago.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Your comment was "No offence but this doesn't make much sense, one of the main reasons the EU was established was to prevent any future wars between european nations."
Your next statement "The EU's job isn't to engage in conflict,"

I believe the main objective of the EU, that was formed in the 70's is to allow trade, or unrestricted trade though the member states.

But I do get your point, that in an ideal world, with common links, the chance of another conflict would be reduced.

The EU was formed in 1993. The EEC was formed in the late 50's

 

[Isar]

The EU was formed in 1993. The EEC was formed in the late 50's

Thanks for the correction, I was going from memory of the UK voting. It was sometime in the 70s? Remember the slogans painted on the walls at Sheffield Lane Top, Vote NO! Wasn't old enough at the time.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Thanks for the correction, I was going from memory of the UK voting. It was sometime in the 70s? Remember the slogans painted on the walls at Sheffield Lane Top, Vote NO! Wasn't old enough at the time.

That vote was whether we should leave the EEC, not a vote as to whether we should join it.

 

[Isar]

That vote was whether we should leave the EEC, not a vote as to whether we should join it.

According to this we joined in 1973, effective from 1st January 1973. Again I was to young to understand all the BS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Community

I am going to leave this now, always willing to discuss it on another thread. A very interesting topic, Treaty of Rome etc. Very educating.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

No, I genuinely do not know what you are talking about, from experience at the "sharp end", not from "media".

So you don't notice bad grammar, punctuation and spelling and a general degradation of the English language in all aspects of media from Twitter to the BBC and all shades of media in between?

 

[Snowman]

Just chuck my twopennorth in. Daughter is aged 10. She is doing English grammar, punctuation and spelling the like of which Wisewood Infant School where I went until 1964 would have considered A level material. Its bloody tough for her. As for World War II she has just done the start of the war and the effect of evacuation on the civilian population. Now if you want to get started on the teaching of maths in this thread let me know!!!!!!!

 

[vorpal blade]

I was never taught much English grammar, what English grammar I did learn was mostly through learning foreign languages (sadly not to any level of mastery)

- I'd have thought teaching foreign languages to an usable standard would be more useful to children and would help the cause of world peace a little bit in the process. I suppose as a by-product you might work out which was a subordinating and which was a coordinating clause as if that matters.

 

[JJ Sefton]

No apologies for this being posted in this section since its Remembrance Day next Friday and it is Blades related.

This is a pic of the Sheffield Pals regiment drilling at Bramall Lane. Must have been 1914 when the volunteers formed before the camp at Redmires had been built.

John Street looks a bit shabby.

Sobering thought that almost all of these young men were slaughtered in minutes on the Somme in 1916 - 100 years ago. Ordered to March, slowly, with full pack on, into a hail of machine gun fire.

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There is a really excellent book, written by John Harris (not the former Blades manager) called Covenant with Death that tells a story based on these guys. Had to be one of the best books written about WW1 - written in the 60s by a local Journo. In the book the football ground is referred to as the "Rovers" and Redmires is "Blackmires" but it's obvious where the setting is.

Here's another...

 

[JJ Sefton]

Do they even teach about the two World Wars in school these days. I know one school that teaches WWII from the perspective of how it affected German civilians without a mention of Allied forces heroism in fighting Fascism. And don't get me started on how we have been allowing spell check to teach our kids grammar, spelling and punctuation these days

Its 20 years ago now and may just have been my school, but we did the First World War at GCSE and were taught dreadfully. They covered the events up to the end of 1914 on the Western Front, then we watched Gallipoli, and the rest of the time was spent on life in the trenches. I remember one assignment was to write a diary entry for a soldier. There was no idea of the war after 1914 other than mud, mud, and more mud and bad poetry.

 

[Revolution]

Its 20 years ago now and may just have been my school, but we did the First World War at GCSE and were taught dreadfully. They covered the events up to the end of 1914 on the Western Front, then we watched Gallipoli, and the rest of the time was spent on life in the trenches. I remember one assignment was to write a diary entry for a soldier. There was no idea of the war after 1914 other than mud, mud, and more mud and bad poetry.

Revolution Jr is just starting out and the course seems quite good. They've done Sarajevo and are moving onto the trenches but there's been some good coverage of the run up to War (Morrocan crises, Balkan Wars etc) and they are looking at the War in Africa, which seems fairly wide ranging coverage.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Revolution Jr is just starting out and the course seems quite good. They've done Sarajevo and are moving onto the trenches but there's been some good coverage of the run up to War (Morrocan crises, Balkan Wars etc) and they are looking at the War in Africa, which seems fairly wide ranging coverage.

Its interesting that they are doing the war in Africa. Byron Farwell's book on it is very good if he gets interested.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

Its interesting that they are doing the war in Africa. Byron Farwell's book on it is very good if he gets interested.

Roger casement , did excellent work and reporting from Africa highlighting the atrocities going on there Walthy as well , as I'm sure your aware of .

 

[JJ Sefton]

Roger casement , did excellent work and reporting from Africa highlighting the atrocities going on there Walthy as well , as I'm sure your aware of .

That was in the Belgian Congo sometime before World War One, but aye, he did.

Apropos nowt, the first genocide of the 20th century was not the Turks against the Armenians in 1916, but the Germans against the Herero tribe in German South West Africa in, if memory serves, 1906.

 

[Revolution]

That was in the Belgian Congo sometime before World War One, but aye, he did.

Apropos nowt, the first genocide of the 20th century was not the Turks against the Armenians in 1916, but the Germans against the Herero tribe in German South West Africa in, if memory serves, 1906.

There is a terrific book about it called the Kaiser's Holocaust by Casper Erichsen and David Olusoga. Highly recommended.

Kind Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hoschild is a great book about the Congo Free State.

The best thing I have read about the East African aspect of World War One is fiction - An Ice Cream War by William Boyd.

Someone has just written a book about Casement - dream of the Celt I think it's called.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

That was in the Belgian Congo sometime before World War One, but aye, he did.

Apropos nowt, the first genocide of the 20th century was not the Turks against the Armenians in 1916, but the Germans against the Herero tribe in German South West Africa in, if memory serves, 1906.

Thanks for the info Walthy. will keep em peeled reguarding the books .

 

[JJ Sefton]

There is a terrific book about it called the Kaiser's Holocaust by Casper Erichsen and David Olusoga. Highly recommended.

Kind Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hoschild is a great book about the Congo Free State.

The best thing I have read about the East African aspect of World War One is fiction - An Ice Cream War by William Boyd.

Someone has just written a book about Casement - dream of the Celt I think it's called.

The exploits of the German general, Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck, are an amazing story in themselves. The first fighting between British and German troops was not at Mons but in the Togoland a couple of weeks before. The last battle of the war was fought somewhere in Rhodesia a day or so after the Armistice.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Thanks for the info Walthy. will keep em peeled reguarding the books .

The Belgians were particularly bad in their colonialism. Actually, I think the entire Congo was a personal possession of the King of Belgium, it was not considered Belgian territory but part of the royal estate.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

Isn't the " heart of darkness " , what apocalypse now is loosely based on .
When casement and conrad where on the Congo together in the early part of the 1900's .???

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Isn't the " heart of darkness " , what apocalypse now is loosely based on .
When casement and conrad where on the Congo together in the early part of the 1900's .???

Yes

 

[JJ Sefton]

Isn't the " heart of darkness " , what apocalypse now is loosely based on .
When casement and conrad where on the Congo together in the early part of the 1900's .???

You're right about Apocalypse Now, but I don't know if Conrad and Casement knew each other. An interesting film is Farewell to the King with Nick Nolte, a slightly more faithful adaptation of Heart of Darkness (which I didn't like that much) set during World War Two.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

The Belgians were particularly bad in their colonialism. Actually, I think the entire Congo was a personal possession of the King of Belgium, it was not considered Belgian territory but part of the royal estate.

Your right about the Belgian king , think it was to do with his rubber plantationsand casement highlighted his role of owning most of them , and the horrific punishments that went on , think he shamed him into giving up his role after it was mentioned in parliament , after the report was published.
RTE did a fantastic documentary about his work for the radio , to do with the 100th anniversary .

 

[dublin 10 blade]

You're right about Apocalypse Now, but I don't know if Conrad and Casement knew each other. An interesting film is Farewell to the King with Nick Nolte, a slightly more faithful adaptation of Heart of Darkness (which I didn't like that much) set during World War Two.

They shared accommodation while in Africa , which at the time caused some anxiety .

 

[JJ Sefton]

Your right about the Belgian king , think it was to do with his rubber plantationsand casement highlighted his role of owning most of them , and the horrific punishments that went on , think he shamed him into giving up his role after it was mentioned in parliament , after the report was published.
RTE did a fantastic documentary about his work for the radio , to do with the 100th anniversary .

The Belgians held on to the Congo until 1960.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

The Belgians held on to the Congo until 1960.

Your probably right ( sorry your always right )
But the Belgian king relinquished his rights to the rubber plantations , which where given to him by the Germans after casements report was published .

 

[JJ Sefton]

Very well said Cerebus - and I absolutely agree with you and like you the decision for me was about my relatives - 2 grandfathers in WW1 one who died and one who was gassed but survived and an Uncle in WW2 who gave their lives for our freedom and right to decide our own laws and destiny and in my heart I could not betray that.

My dad's one grandad went into the trenches in late 1914, was in the Royal Engineers, and went right through to the end. He was in the occupation forces in Germany after the war and was asked to go to Ireland as an Auxiliary to fight the IRA but declined. He came back to Sheffield, followed United, worked as a road builder for the council (a skill he'd learned on the Western Front), was foreman of the council dept at Olive Grove, drank in the Royal Standard, and died in 1979. My dad's other grandad, from Kilkenny, joined up fairly early, was shipped off to the middle east and never came back. We think he copped it in Iraq.

My mum's grandad joined up in 1914 and was in the 7th battalion of the Yorks and Lancs, the Pioneers. He lost the use of his arm and was blinded in one eye. A miner before the war, he struggled to find work after returning home and my grandad grew up in real poverty. He died in 1953. His brother in law joined up in 1914 as well and was in the KOYLI. He was killed in September 1918, two months before the end of the war. He is buried in Ruyaulcourt Military Cemetery.

 

[Revolution]

Your probably right ( sorry your always right )
But the Belgian king relinquished his rights to the rubber plantations , which where given to him by the Germans after casements report was published .

The King gave up the Free State in 1908.

 

[JJ Sefton]

...Bearing in mind United’s abysmal recent record in the Cup and the fact that their first round opponents, Newcastle United, had won the trophy in 1910 and reached the final in 1905, 1908 and 1911, it is not hard to see why United were such rank outsiders as they faced the Magpies at St James’s Park on January 10th. Jimmy Revill was standing in on the left wing for the injured Bob Evans and was up against one of the most highly rated defenders of the day, Irish international Bill McCracken. Before the match McCracken told Revill that he had made a wasted journey but Revill replied “I've been greased all over today Bill, and you’ll never catch me. I shall give you the biggest doing of your life”.

As it was luck was on United’s side for once as, with United 1-0 up, Newcastle lost their centre forward through injury just before half time. Soon after the break Goodwill, Newcastle’s left half, collided with Brelsford and went off the pitch unconscious. With United 5-0 up against the nine men the home sides’ keeper, Wilson, had to leave the field after a clash with United centre forward Stan Fazackerly. United’s last goal was scored by Jimmy Revill, who had more than delivered on his promise to the bamboozled McCracken.

The second round drew United at home to Bradford Park Avenue and 51,000 turned up, a record for a football match in Sheffield. In fact the crowd was in excess of what the Lane could reasonably hold and fans were crowded onto the cricket pitch. To the Independent this was “stronger proof than we have ever seen before of the disadvantage of the same ground having to be used for football and cricket”. Utley had missed the Newcastle game through injury but gave a classy display which he capped with two goals with another from Jimmy Simmons as the Blades eased through 3-1.

A trip to London followed as United faced a Millwall side managed by Bert Lipsham in the third round on February 21st. Again, Utley was outstanding and found the net twice after Kitchen had put United ahead from the spot after 15 minutes. The long period in between was dominated by a spirited Millwall side and considering that United won 4-0 it is amazing that the excellent Gough was man of the match.

United had not been in the fourth round of the Cup since 1902, the last occasion they had won it, and they were drawn away against Manchester City. Predictably perhaps they were cagey affairs dominated by the defences and two matches finished 0-0. It was only in extra time in the second replay that Jimmy Revill set up Jimmy Simmons for the winner and United were in the semi final...

...One of the men who didn’t come home was young Jimmy Revill. As understudy to Bob Evans Revill had shone in the United side that reached the Cup semi final in 1914. He was a totally loyal club man and even when he was regularly playing he never pushed for the maximum wage he deserved. One Bank Holiday, when there was no public transport, he walked to Bramall Lane from his home in Chesterfield. He served with the Royal Engineers and was killed on the first day of the battle of Arras in April 1917 and buried along with 3,000 other men at Bethune."

 

[Kenilworth]

My dad's one grandad went into the trenches in late 1914, was in the Royal Engineers, and went right through to the end. He was in the occupation forces in Germany after the war and was asked to go to Ireland as an Auxiliary to fight the IRA but declined. He came back to Sheffield, followed United, worked as a road builder for the council (a skill he'd learned on the Western Front), was foreman of the council dept at Olive Grove, drank in the Royal Standard, and died in 1979. My dad's other grandad, from Kilkenny, joined up fairly early, was shipped off to the middle east and never came back. We think he copped it in Iraq.

My mum's grandad joined up in 1914 and was in the 7th battalion of the Yorks and Lancs, the Pioneers. He lost the use of his arm and was blinded in one eye. A miner before the war, he struggled to find work after returning home and my grandad grew up in real poverty. He died in 1953. His brother in law joined up in 1914 as well and was in the KOYLI. He was killed in September 1918, two months before the end of the war. He is buried in Ruyaulcourt Military Cemetery.

Bloody Hell - it's a wonder your genetic strain allowed you to be born at all

 

[Kenilworth]

For those of you who are interested there is an event taking place in Sheffield on 11th November at the Memorial Hall in Barkers Pool.
A series of 6 talks including one about the Sheffield Pals regiment.

Here is a link for anyone who might want to follow this up.
It's the day after the derby game at the Lane

https://sheffieldsgreatwar.wordpress.com/