Silent Blade
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I was born at Netheredge Hospital and lived in Dronfield all my life but if anyone asks where I'm from, I say Sheffield.
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I was born at Netheredge Hospital and lived in Dronfield all my life but if anyone asks where I'm from, I say Sheffield.
Whereas if you walk between Sheffield and Rotherham you feel like you've crossed an event horizon!
Not sure if you're being ironic Bush, but this place existed for a while. It was called South Yorkshire. It was a Metropolitan county founded in 1974. It consisted of the Metropolitan councils of Sheffield, Rotherham, Barnsley and Doncaster. It had elected county councillors, and county hall was in it's "capital", Barnsley (yes, really). It had integrated services and transport. Buses linked with trains. Public transport was incredibly cheap. Thatcher didn't like it. It was abolished. Greater Manchester similarly doesn't now exist (she didn't like that either), but the term has continued, unlike South Yorkshire, which has just disappeared. Ever contrary and nostalgic for a lost socialist paradise, I liked South Yorkshire!!Or they could group together the likes of Barnsley And Rotherham and call it the Metropolitan Area of South Yorkshire.
According to wiki it’s still a metropolitan county.Not sure if you're being ironic Bush, but this place existed for a while. It was called South Yorkshire. It was a Metropolitan county founded in 1974. It consisted of the Metropolitan councils of Sheffield, Rotherham, Barnsley and Doncaster. It had elected county councillors, and county hall was in it's "capital", Barnsley (yes, really). It had integrated services and transport. Buses linked with trains. Public transport was incredibly cheap. Thatcher didn't like it. It was abolished. Greater Manchester similarly doesn't now exist (she didn't like that either), but the term has continued, unlike South Yorkshire, which has just disappeared. Ever contrary and nostalgic for a lost socialist paradise, I liked South Yorkshire!!
Good stuff! Vive la Republique (da kno's!!!).According to wiki it’s still a metropolitan county.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Yorkshire
And yes, I was being facetious![]()
Sheffield is the 10th biggest city in the UK if you are talking about urban areas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom
ShIf by PL you mean Premier League (I haven't watched the thing), then Birmingham doesn't have a team there.
City sizes are tricky things. Technically we're bigger than Manchester, though in practice we're obviously not.
The problem with the Sheffield city region in comparison to Greater Manchester is that all Sheffield’s surrounding towns dislike Sheffield and Sheffielders. Whereas the likes of Stockport, Salford, Trafford, Oldham, Rochdale etc seem to embrace being part of something bigger.That's right
Sheffield is a stand alone city, and loses out in many ways because of it.
A City's Metropolitan Area is a collection of towns and cities all clumped together.
City measured against City and Sheffield is the 4th largest in England and the 5th largest in the UK
The City of Sheffield measured against The Metropolitan Area of some places like Merseyside, Greater Manchester and The West Yorkshire Conurbation and Sheffield is about 8th.
I've said it for many years, Sheffield and the region is being left behind, it is being left behind for many reasons, but one of them is it's isolation. It's time that Barnsley, Rotherham, Chesterfield, Doncaster, Worksop and North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire all joined in and became part of a "Greater Sheffield" for the benefit of the whole region.
There are people living in places like Eckington, Dronfield, Unsworth, Killamarsh, Marsh Lane, Stocksbridge who have absolutely Zero recognition or association with Sheffield whatsoever, despite most of them having Sheffield telephone numbers and all of them having a Sheffield postcode.
Sheffield International Airport at Doncaster, just as Manchester Airport is nearer to Altrincham
Motorway links to Central Sheffield and a motorway ring road starting from the M1 at Junction 30 and heading around the West of Sheffield and rejoining the M1 at Tankersley would be a way of enclosing all our neighbouring towns within the Sheffield Metropolitan Area and not feel like 5 or 6 isolated outposts.
That's a right load of bollox, and typical of Wikipedia where people write whatever they want.
How that makes Sheffield as a City 10th I don't know.
You cannot clump Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield, Keighley, Dewsbury and Halifax together and call it a city, they are completely independent towns and cities. Bradford is one of the largest cities in the Country in its own right, it has absolutely nothing to do with Leeds and should never be included in the figures as though it is a Leeds suburb or Borough.
The West Yorkshire Built Up area is not a city, it is a region of many towns and cities
The West Midlands Built up area comprising of Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Coventry, West Bromwich, Dudley, Walsall, Solihull is not a city
Greater Manchester is not a City
And neither are any of the others.
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The problem with the Sheffield city region in comparison to Greater Manchester is that all Sheffield’s surrounding towns dislike Sheffield and Sheffielders. Whereas the likes of Stockport, Salford, Trafford, Oldham, Rochdale etc seem to embrace being part of something bigger.
Agree, he’s got that bit wrong.
I always thought it was Sheffield United Cricket Club, with a few others that played at Bramall Lane.
“The Wednesday” football club only played odd games at Bramall Lane when they were expecting a big crowd.
Cricket was the number 1 sport in England in the 1880’s.
It was “Sheffield United Cricket Club” who used Bramall Lane during the Summer months, so Bramall Lane was largely unused during the Winter. The owners saw that football was growing in popularity and saw a revenue opportunity, so they asked The Wednesday if they wanted to move in permanently, they refused so the owners of Bramall Lane decided to start a new club, they wrote to local clubs inviting trials.
The cricket club was called Sheffield United, so they naturally thought to call the new football club “Sheffield United”.
There is a difference though For example Leeds, Pudsey and Bradford are completely linked and you'd have no idea you'd passed from one to another.
Similarly, Manchester, Salford, Stockport, Ashton, Stalybridge Hyde, Oldham and Bury have no natural border between them.
Neither has Birmingham, Solihull, Sandwell and Walsall
There is a difference though For example Leeds, Pudsey and Bradford are completely linked and you'd have no idea you'd passed from one to another.
Similarly, Manchester, Salford, Stockport, Ashton, Stalybridge Hyde, Oldham and Bury have no natural border between them.
Neither has Birmingham, Solihull, Sandwell and Walsall
What's a natural border ?
Trees and stuff ?
Some good points there. I don't think the Barnsley's and Doncaster's of this world have a great deal of faith in Sheffield.
May have been last year when Sheffield was looking for a regional mayor Barnsley and Doncaster wanted to associate themselves with a Yorkshire mayor who would have probably been based in Leeds.
You can take this a level further. Since 1974, Barnsley, Donny, and Rovrum have been metropolitan boroughs, including in their territory many places which used to be in the old West Riding. South Yorkshire folk are a bit insular (I include Sheffield in this). I live in "greater Barnsley", between the old town of Barnsley, and Penistone. Many people out this way feel closer to Sheffield than Barnsley, even though they live in Barnsley. "Proper" Barnsley only has a population of about 90000, whereas the metropolitan area has about 240000. This is the difference between proper cities (Sheffield, Manchester, Leeds), and the little industrial towns around them - the cities are big in their own right and don't rely on surrounding villages to make them "bigger". Also in South Yorkshire, the smaller towns have retained their identities, unlike in Greater Manchester. Apart from going shopping at Meadowhall, Tykes have little to do with Sheffield, and spend a lot of time slagging it off, which is very much like "calling t'kettle black"!!!!!Barnsley , Rotherham , Doncaster are much bigger places than the suburbs of Manchester like bury , oldham etc.
Also in Manchester they are much closer and you get to them on the tram within 30 minutes
You can take this a level further. Since 1974, Barnsley, Donny, and Rovrum have been metropolitan boroughs, including in their territory many places which used to be in the old West Riding. South Yorkshire folk are a bit insular (I include Sheffield in this). I live in "greater Barnsley", between the old town of Barnsley, and Penistone. Many people out this way feel closer to Sheffield than Barnsley, even though they live in Barnsley. "Proper" Barnsley only has a population of about 90000, whereas the metropolitan area has about 240000. This is the difference between proper cities (Sheffield, Manchester, Leeds), and the little industrial towns around them - the cities are big in their own right and don't rely on surrounding villages to make them "bigger". Also in South Yorkshire, the smaller towns have retained their identities, unlike in Greater Manchester. Apart from going shopping at Meadowhall, Tykes have little to do with Sheffield, and spend a lot of time slagging it off, which is very much like "calling t'kettle black"!!!!!
Really?I think most residents of Oldham, Rochdale, Bolton and Bury hate Manchester as much as Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster and Chesterfield hate Sheffield
And you can hardly blame them, with the performance of our council over the last 40 years.
I think most residents of Oldham, Rochdale, Bolton and Bury hate Manchester as much as Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster and Chesterfield hate Sheffield
Really?
They’re certainly proud of their towns, but they definitely don’t hate Manchester in the way Barnsley, Doncaster of Rotherham folk resent Sheffield.In my experience residents of those North Western towns don't identify themselves as manunians. And you can add much of stockport to this list. Salford not so much.
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