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So now there is a deal that all premier league clubs from next season will pay a maximum of 85% income on wages. This on paper is perfectly sensible even admirable. In practice who has the most money to spend? the teams at the top. It makes the top 6 stronger, they can pay more because they earn more. I hate the idea of an American style franchise system where the money is shared out equally, but how does this help any of the promoted clubs? I bet nobody was arguing about this one. Both Manchester clubs, Arsenal, even Villa now with Champions league money, will just get stronger.
 

Swannyblade said:
Can you remember when AVFC survived relegation because someone forgot to turn on the goal line technology?!
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Yes I remember and a innocent club got relegated instead . All the high tec failed all at the same time ,Refs watch,goal line tec , VAR ,
 
Wilderat Heart said:
I don't care. were you not paying attention this season when Arsenal brought on a full back who cost more than our entire squad? This may matter to the top ten. Man U will oppose it because they can already spend more money than any other team because of their ability to generate vast incomes from abroad. If Qatar had succeeded in taking over, Man U would reverse their position on this like a shot. What if we are taken over by a billionaire? Man City did what Jack Walker did at Blackburn years ago. Cheating shock horror! Forest survived by breaking the rules. Rules which already guarantee the top 6 clubs safety at the top level. You generate more money you can spend more money. You generate more money by winning games. The top clubs make more money, so can spend more money. If I was a Saudi who owned Newcastle, a club who are still trying their best to follow the rules. I might be inclined to call Man U Liverpool and Arsenal cheats for manipulating the rest of the league to defend their own interests, running a virtual closed shop. Financial fair play is a sound idea designed to save clubs from reckless owners that pile debt on their clubs in practice it was a gift from the Gods for the already top clubs. If we go back up (I'm not optimistic) and we break financial fair play rules to survive, I'm going to shrug my shoulders and say fair enough. The deck is rigged against us already. West Ham sitting in a stadium we paid for for a small annual rental. Fulham charging three grand for season tickets. clubs everywhere having to sell home grown talent, the players home fans always identify with the most, purely to balance the books. I'm struggling to see the moral high ground the premier league clubs think they're sitting on.
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SPOT ON MATE . i HAVE SAID FOR A LONG TIME FOOTBALL IS IN THE PROCESS OF DESTROYING IT'S SELF . But they don't know it yet . That says it all when a mediocre prem club are demanding 3,000 quid for a season ticket . Can not imagine a ordinary guy with two kids or more having that kind of cash spare to spend for 90 mins of football every fortnight . Some clubs are also fazing out concessions . They should look at the great British local pub to see what happens when you price yourself out of the market.
 
petcharlie said:
SPOT ON MATE . i HAVE SAID FOR A LONG TIME FOOTBALL IS IN THE PROCESS OF DESTROYING IT'S SELF . But they don't know it yet . That says it all when a mediocre prem club are demanding 3,000 quid for a season ticket . Can not imagine a ordinary guy with two kids or more having that kind of cash spare to spend for 90 mins of football every fortnight . Some clubs are also fazing out concessions . They should look at the great British local pub to see what happens when you price yourself out of the market.
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“Money is the root of all evil”

My gran, 365 days every year, minimum…..
 
munksyb said:
I was against the Super League

But I’m now four square behind it

go and play in the fairytale league, and go to away games in
Madrid / Paris / Dortmund / quatar ?
Every other weekend or even midweek, have a local derby against lyon

You’re welcome to it, let the rest of us in England & Wales play competitive games against proper teams who adhere to rules on a level playing field
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And hopefully the genuine fans of these so call super teams, abandon them,I know it must be a hard thing to do,and switch to other local side like say Stockport,Salford,Walsall, orient etc of course when the pigs just get invited in because we'll they did take 5000 to QPR ,And beat Hartlepool at Wembley with 50000 locked UTB/FTO and the so called elite
 
petcharlie said:
SPOT ON MATE . i HAVE SAID FOR A LONG TIME FOOTBALL IS IN THE PROCESS OF DESTROYING IT'S SELF . But they don't know it yet . That says it all when a mediocre prem club are demanding 3,000 quid for a season ticket . Can not imagine a ordinary guy with two kids or more having that kind of cash spare to spend for 90 mins of football every fortnight . Some clubs are also fazing out concessions . They should look at the great British local pub to see what happens when you price yourself out of the market.
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For a club with a core fan base the size of Fulham they are massively punching before Mohamed Al Fayed bought them out, they were in what now would be League one and realistically not done much at all during their existence (still not won anything other than the Championship). At full capacity their ground is smaller than ours even after that development of the new stand but most of that is hospitality and as you say £3000 season tickets. They are all about tapping into the "football tourist" they even having planning permission (not sure if it will be successful) to have a boat link pier from the stadium onto the Thames into central London. Some of their pre-match hospitality is at areas in Fulham Palace (home of the Bishop of London!) they are batting in a different world to us owned by a Billionaire that is all about pricing at least one stand for tourists to enjoy Premier League football and the "true" fans get pulled along. The result is the atmosphere other than the hospitality corks popping is as dull as the colour of the Thames (never seen the appeal) with 1/2 the stadium will be either neutrals or away fans.

Although the above sounds great as they are in the Premier League and did ok, well stayed up at least. I would rather have a stadium full of Blades any day of the week.
 
Kop Cat said:
The game at the top level is fucked
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Let then have Thier superleague this smacks of not wanting to support lower down the football leagues. It's all about them money winning at all costs. Im Not jealous i just simply don't recognise football anymore and what's it's being allowed to become.
 
munksyb said:
Newcastle United
Aston Villa
Chelsea

Are all supporting Citee in breaking the rules they all agreed should bind the Premier League, because it suits them to kill off competition.

Shame On You

If they succeed I for one will never watch a game involving them either live or on TV
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Where do you draw the line? Does that include when they play Utd?

I have little interest in watching those clubs against one another any more to be honest.

It would be interesting if fans across the country ‘United’ and boycotted attending any games involving them in the future.

Unlikely though. Can you imagine if we got promoted again and no home fans turned up to watch us play Man City / a particular club at the lane.

It would be most amusing and quite impactive, especially if other clubs replicated it.
 
silverfox said:
Not long now until we all turn our backs on football.
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I already have, I still follow United always will but league football is broken. If I go out to watch football it will more than likely be non league where people play for the love of the game and do a normal job for the rest of the week. No VAR, no cheating, tackles and physical contact allowed and no rip of prices for season tickets. I get more enjoyment stopping to watch a game in the local park than I did last season in the corrupt Premier league.
 
The £3k season ticket is a bit of a headline grabber I suppose.. but you can still get an adult season ticket at Fulham for £445 .
The £3k is only platinum and its probably a few hundred seats ,other seats on the new stand are £1200 to £1400 which I suppose is on par with London pricing ( still ridiculous don't get me wrong)

The £3k ones will likely be sold to companies who rather than have a box , buy 3 or 4 season tickets and invite guests . I really can't see many individuals paying that amount . I don't mind if that's used to subsidise other tickets . In the same way 1st class airline tickets kinda do . Your £500 transatlantic flight might be a grand without the corporates paying £3k to sit upstairs

Got me thinking that clubs could gave a gate receipt limit agreed with supporters .
If you've 25,000 home seats then you agree with the supporters that your aim is £10m in gate receipts, an average of £400 per seat per season . You can then decide on the proportion of seats at different prices , in effect the corporate £3k seats subsidise other seats and benefits everyone . If due to age splits you sell £11m , the £1m goes in the pot for next season
It may well be how the calculation works but having a clear pricing and revenue agreement may well work

Other than that yep footballs going to he'll in a handcart
 

tyke1889 said:
Yeah, how dare he try to help the mainly working class oiks who were putting all the graft in, while the bosses reaped all the profits?

Bastard!
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You are one of those who don’t get sarcasm aren’t you?
 
Imagine if a football team didn't have owners, couldn't be bought by a leveraged buy out, or by a foreign state, there wasn't a transfer window, no deadline day, players didn't make wage demands, there were no agents, no transfer budgets allowing some teams to dominate, much less off field politics, much more about football, and the performance on the field.

Imagine that. No buy back clauses, no loan to buy, no rebuilds over the Summer, home tickets at £25 for loyal fans, no transfer embargoes, no points deductions. Do you think people would watch a team and a game organised like that? A team where how much your owner has doesn't count. Because your team aren't owned. And anyway, you can't attract players because of wages. Imagine that.

Of course, there's no need to imagine it. That's here. That's International Football. That's my team. That's England. Jude Bellingham plays for us.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Imagine if a football team didn't have owners, couldn't be bought by a leveraged buy out, or by a foreign state, there wasn't a transfer window, no deadline day, players didn't make wage demands, there were no agents, no transfer budgets allowing some teams to dominate, much less off field politics, much more about football, and the performance on the field.

Imagine that. No buy back clauses, no loan to buy, no rebuilds over the Summer, home tickets at £25 for loyal fans, no transfer embargoes, no points deductions. Do you think people would watch a team and a game organised like that? A team where how much your owner has doesn't count. Because your team aren't owned. And anyway, you can't attract players because of wages. Imagine that.

Of course, there's no need to imagine it. That's here. That's International Football. That's my team. That's England. Jude Bellingham plays for us.
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Played by multi millionaires managed and coached by millionaires all due to everything you despise in this post
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Imagine if a football team didn't have owners, couldn't be bought by a leveraged buy out, or by a foreign state, there wasn't a transfer window, no deadline day, players didn't make wage demands, there were no agents, no transfer budgets allowing some teams to dominate, much less off field politics, much more about football, and the performance on the field.

Imagine that. No buy back clauses, no loan to buy, no rebuilds over the Summer, home tickets at £25 for loyal fans, no transfer embargoes, no points deductions. Do you think people would watch a team and a game organised like that? A team where how much your owner has doesn't count. Because your team aren't owned. And anyway, you can't attract players because of wages. Imagine that.

Of course, there's no need to imagine it. That's here. That's International Football. That's my team. That's England. Jude Bellingham plays for us.
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Imagine not supporting a team based in London and finding international a bit boring. Constantly fretting about most of the things above but nethertheless waking up as excited as you were the first time you went to BDTBL as a kid then having a pre match chip Butty before walking to the Lane.

That's my team. That's Sheffield United and Rhian Brewster plays for us.
 
I mean. I'll put my record as a cradle to the grave Sheffield United supporter, and indeed big fan of Rhian Brewster, up against anybody.

But, I'm happy to present an alternative view. Some posters offering a "look down" view. Because league football is broken. Switch support to non-league clubs. (I'm a season ticket holder at a non-league club). But there is a look up alternative. For all the reasons I've listed.

Why should I worry about Jude Bellingham being a multi millionaire? That's from his day job. For England, he's not running his contract down, he's not looking for one last pay day, he's not seeing "us" as a stepping stone to a bigger country, with more money, he's not going to sign for Germany mate.
 
For all its faults , the money , the cheating , the greed ,the dodgy owners ,dodgy agents etc ...matchday is still my favourite day of the week .
I take it for what it is , win or lose , a day with some mates.
Football to me is less about football than ever but I probably enjoy it more now because of that .
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Imagine if a football team didn't have owners, couldn't be bought by a leveraged buy out, or by a foreign state, there wasn't a transfer window, no deadline day, players didn't make wage demands, there were no agents, no transfer budgets allowing some teams to dominate, much less off field politics, much more about football, and the performance on the field.

Imagine that. No buy back clauses, no loan to buy, no rebuilds over the Summer, home tickets at £25 for loyal fans, no transfer embargoes, no points deductions. Do you think people would watch a team and a game organised like that? A team where how much your owner has doesn't count. Because your team aren't owned. And anyway, you can't attract players because of wages. Imagine that.

Of course, there's no need to imagine it. That's here. That's International Football. That's my team. That's England. Jude Bellingham plays for us.
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LBA_Blade said:
For a club with a core fan base the size of Fulham they are massively punching before Mohamed Al Fayed bought them out, they were in what now would be League one and realistically not done much at all during their existence (still not won anything other than the Championship). At full capacity their ground is smaller than ours even after that development of the new stand but most of that is hospitality and as you say £3000 season tickets. They are all about tapping into the "football tourist" they even having planning permission (not sure if it will be successful) to have a boat link pier from the stadium onto the Thames into central London. Some of their pre-match hospitality is at areas in Fulham Palace (home of the Bishop of London!) they are batting in a different world to us owned by a Billionaire that is all about pricing at least one stand for tourists to enjoy Premier League football and the "true" fans get pulled along. The result is the atmosphere other than the hospitality corks popping is as dull as the colour of the Thames (never seen the appeal) with 1/2 the stadium will be either neutrals or away fans.

Although the above sounds great as they are in the Premier League and did ok, well stayed up at least. I would rather have a stadium full of Blades any day of the week.
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Football clubs need to diversify their income. Especially a club like ours where revenues from football alone have a limit.

If we are taken over by filthy rich Americans 2 ways I could suggest of improving our income stream are:

1. Stick a retractable roof and retractable pitch system on Bramall Lane, like Real Madrid have done, and leverage our city centre location to host concerts etc so that BL is utilised more often throughout the year. Our tickets are around £35 average. Taylor Swift tickets are £200 - and people gladly pay it.

2. Create a tourist destination at the Dore site 'country club' style hotel, spa, leisure facilities as well as the 1st team training, again so that the site is used 24/7/365
 
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I'm posting about the England team, not the FA. The FA use that commercial money for a whole host of things I'm not posting about. They don't use that money on Jude Bellingham's contract, or on paying agents, or on transfer fees.

Gravity racked Cask Ale is on sale in Wembley for England games.
 
The game at the elite level is totally out of control. It has been taken over by American investment funds who only want profit and murderous autocratic states who only want prestige.

Football at that level is broken and has gone way past the point of repair.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'm posting about the England team, not the FA. The FA use that commercial money for a whole host of things I'm not posting about. They don't use that money on Jude Bellingham's contract, or on paying agents, or on transfer fees.

Gravity racked Cask Ale is on sale in Wembley for England games.
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It’s still all part of the corporate palaver.
I get what you mean about the expensive seats subsidising the cheap ones, but there’s the overwhelming smell of money coming from multiple layers of football.
 

shorehamview said:
It’s still all part of the corporate palaver.
I get what you mean about the expensive seats subsidising the cheap ones, but there’s the overwhelming smell of money coming from multiple layers of football.
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I was picking up on complaints that people have. And I carefully cherry picked those that AREN'T an issue for the England team.

But, of course, that doesn't mean everything is perfect with being an England fan. There is a lot of corporate money swimming around. Although some of the choices are more ethical and less desperate than the any money is good money philosophy in club football.

The Wembley atmosphere and the experience of home games can be a bit anti- football. Although games in Championships, and I'm thinking EURO 2021 (v Germany & Denmark), are some of the best atmospheres I've ever experienced.

I'm trying to make a simple point.

Say you get beat off Iceland (or similar). The chat in the Pubs is not - we need new owners, he needs to get his hand in his pocket, if only they hadn't wasted that money on Grealish, how can we be expected to compete on our budget, they need to run Foden's contract down, this fucking recruitment team is shit, we need a Director of Football.

It's not perfect, but it's good to be without all that baggage.
 
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