Seriki

[LBA_Blade]

Every red card appeal has a tribunal, usually up to a 5 person panel, one of them the Chair another the secretary and 2 independent members. They then have a 5th one of them who is an expert in the Laws of the game from the Referee Advisory Panel usually a former referee and or referee assessor.

They appear here on the FA website https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance

The problem I have with it, is in this day and age they report a month behind, so with that incident happening on 14th March, the outcome won't be published until start of April. Also the outcome simply states, "Claim of Wrongful Dismissal – Dismissed" "<> match suspension remains in place". There isn't any commentary notes or the actual report of the panel's meeting. If they actually put this on their website in real time (there aren't that many claims a handful within a month across all divisions including non league) it would go some way as to an explanation.

I am not looking for a witch hunt as realistically, with or without Seriki, it's not like we will be in any better position this season however I do think referees and the appeal process like players & managers should be accountable. If they gave a summary of notes from the Laws of the game expert that would be great, in Costa Rica of all places, they communicated it to the referees very well with a yellow box drawing (What is the DOGSO Zone in Football). The explanation still covers the same Laws of the game principles of covering defenders etc but using this yellow box as an virtual area which a potential goal scoring opportunity is created. If this was/is adopted across the board, it would help the regular fan, player and manager understand why the referee has given it.

 

[Torrix1889]

They very, very rarely correct an on field decision, even if it was blatantly the wrong call. They'll only change the outcome if the referee missed something.

He did miss something....a 6ft 3 Tyler Bindon about 2 yards away.

Ludicrous decision to a) give the red in the first place and b) not to overturn it.

Game is rotten.

 

[Ivanhoe]

It marks it's own homework..

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Wilder finally giving Seriki fulsome praise in the media and all it took was him getting a straight red

 

[Bladesman]

He did miss something....a 6ft 3 Tyler Bindon about 2 yards away.

Ludicrous decision to a) give the red in the first place and b) not to overturn it.

Game is rotten.

it will be interesting to see if the Millwall one gets overturned, as they have appealed it.

 

[LBA_Blade]

it will be interesting to see if the Millwall one gets overturned, as they have appealed it.

Looking at that one it's definitely more of a "DOGSO" than Seriki as Ohashi (I think) was in full flight and in control of the ball. the major thing that might get it overturned was if there was contact or not. Sturge ran behind and it's difficult to tell if he tripped him or not, there wasn't any defenders in front apart from the keeper, but again like with ours they did have defenders running back. Be an interesting one to follow

 

[Grey Blade]

I can't see how any right - minded individual could think that was the correct decision. It does seem like the boys always look after their own. I don't know why they're so obsessed with never admitting a mistake has been made. It's pathetic.

 

[Balham]

The problem is that the burden for overturning a red card is that the referee has to be shown to have made an obvious error. It's not about re-refereeing the incident on the balance of probabilities, unfortunately. As soon as it's clear that Seriki brought down their player (he did) without touching the ball (he didn't) and with no other United outfield player between the Birmingham player and the goal (Bindon was lateral at best) there was no way it was getting overturned.

What they should have is have the ability to rescind the ban, as the rugby disciplinary panels do. For an incident like this - very much subjective - it's punishment enough that Seriki missed the final 67 minutes plus stoppage time. He doesn't need to sit out another match as a result. In fact, it could be argued that it harms Birmingham (who benefited from the red card) in that he will miss our match against Wanksham FC, thereby weakening our team against one of the sides Birmingham will want us to beat.

 

[LBA_Blade]

The problem is that the burden for overturning a red card is that the referee has to be shown to have made an obvious error. It's not about re-refereeing the incident on the balance of probabilities, unfortunately. As soon as it's clear that Seriki brought down their player (he did) without touching the ball (he didn't) and with no other United outfield player between the Birmingham player and the goal (Bindon was lateral at best) there was no way it was getting overturned.

What they should have is have the ability to rescind the ban, as the rugby disciplinary panels do. For an incident like this - very much subjective - it's punishment enough that Seriki missed the final 67 minutes plus stoppage time. He doesn't need to sit out another match as a result. In fact, it could be argued that it harms Birmingham (who benefited from the red card) in that he will miss our match against Wanksham FC, thereby weakening our team against one of the sides Birmingham will want us to beat.

Probably the most balanced and actually decent idea! - It could be a similar to the yellow card process, say you get a match ban are receiving 2 or 3 red cards due to DOGSO (rather than 5) or similar

 

[Balham]

Probably the most balanced and actually decent idea! - It could be a similar to the yellow card process, say you get a match ban are receiving 2 or 3 red cards due to DOGSO (rather than 5) or similar

It also allows for differentiation between Brandon Thomas-Asante's elbow on Pelle Matsson, which deserved a 5 match ban; Soumaré's challenge on Knibbs (who hasn't played since) which merited a 2 or 3 match ban and Tanganga's misjudged challenge for a header which deserved one additional match at most. Having a "serious foul play = 3 match ban" flat line isn't good enough.

 

[Bladepicker]

If you look at that and think it's a red then I don't know what to say. Just another example of how much professional referees and all who back their decisions are utter, utter thunder cunts.

 

[bakeblade]

League have reject our appeal to his red card. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

I don't know why we bothered, is it a 1 game ban?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

No chance of it being overturned it was in the edge for me. I think Bindon could have covered it but that's subjective and not factual

 

[Rudders]

Didnt pigs have bannans red card reminded this season or was it last season? After appealing...

The power of the Tankersley Golf Club masons is truly awesome!
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[Grappler]

If you look at that and think it's a red then I don't know what to say. Just another example of how much professional referees and all who back their decisions are utter, utter thunder cunts.

My late pal, our dearly departed forum friend, "Grafikhaus" (RIP, mate) used to sometimes sit next to the Referee's assessor (I am not sure if that was the same bloke, every home game, or different blokes), and he got quite chummy with him (or them), and sometimes the ref would make a howler of a decision (whether for us, or against us) and Trev would look at the bloke, smiling, and the Assessor would just roll his eyes and shake his head.

If it had been a particularly poor game against us, in terms of Refereeing decisions, Trev would say to the bloke, as he was getting out of his seat to leave (in his usual acid-tongued way), "I'd love to see how you are going to fucking assess THAT performance......see ya, pal!".

 

[Silent Blade]

is it a 1 game ban?

Yes

 

[Large Mendonca]

Refs are the kids who were bullied in the playground and never got to join in with the game. Absolute tossers, god knows what we’ve done to get the ones we do.

 

[ATL Recs]

Refs are the kids who were bullied in the playground and never got to join in with the game. Absolute tossers, god knows what we’ve done to get the ones we do.

Exactly what Milwall and Hull said last weekend

 

[Bladesman]

Yet this one has been rescinded:

 

[bakeblade]

Yet this one has been rescinded:

Damage has been done though as it cost them 3 points, they can't get them back

 

[Bergen Blade]

Seriki is great, but he needs to be a bit calmer in some key situations. Rather than going for the tackle he should have used his pace to get goalside and force their runner wide.

There was a similar situation when Middlesbrough scored their first goal a few weeks ago. Conway got in behind, Seriki got across, but seemed to try to get the ball first (i.e. tackle), rather than blocking Conway's shot. He was too ambitous and a millisecond late. Hopefully he'll learn from these situations.





Back to the sending off vs Birmingham. I remember a similar situation a few years ago in Norway where a striker was fouled by the last defender just past the halfway line when running through. But the striker was known to be very slow and there was another defender, who despite being further forward, was likely to catch up with him, as he was clearly faster. The referee said this was the reason he didn't send the fouling defender off. There's a logic, but it implies different rules, depending on your pace!

 

[JohnDenver]

Seriki is great, but he needs to be a bit calmer in some key situations. Rather than going for the tackle he should have used his pace to get goalside and force their runner wide.

There was a similar situation when Middlesbrough scored their first goal a few weeks ago. Conway got in behind, Seriki got across, but seemed to try to get the ball first (i.e. tackle), rather than blocking Conway's shot. He was too ambitous and a millisecond late. Hopefully he'll learn from these situations.


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Back to the sending off vs Birmingham. I remember a similar situation a few years ago in Norway where a striker was fouled by the last defender just past the halfway line when running through. But the striker was known to be very slow and there was another defender, who despite being further forward, was likely to catch up with him, as he was clearly faster. The referee said this was the reason he didn't send the fouling defender off. There's a logic, but it implies different rules, depending on your pace!

All things being equal, when Matty Done was put through on goal, I’d have given him a 10% chance of scoring. When Jan Age Fjortoft was put through, I’d have said 70%.

Maybe we need DOGSO adjudication to be individually tailored to whichever useless chuff (or otherwise) finds themselves bumbling goalwards….

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Yet this one has been rescinded:

In fairness that is an even shitter decision than Serikis.

 

[SB_90]

how is this a yellow card but seriki is a red

 

[LBA_Blade]

In fairness that is an even shitter decision than Serikis.

To be fair I don't think it was, when you freeze frame it, there is one covering defender and the goalkeeper, their defender is of similar distance than Bindon was to Seriki, Ohashi had control of the ball and was running at pace, if anything Ohashi was more central when the trip occurred. What the FA don't say is the reason why they have overturned the decision. They should make this information public at the same time, they have either judged their isn't a foul on Ohashi or it isn't DOGSO but which conclusions have they come too, i.e. is it the covering defender or is it the distance from the goal. In the same way of Seriki's attempted overturn why did they back the referees on field decision, they should have a small insert tick list of the reasons for DOGSO, like below with a short summary as looking at the differences between the two. On the Millwall one, points 1,2,3,4 are all a tick for DOGSO, 4 is debatable but when the possible trip happened 4 should be covered as the covering defender was behind play. With Seriki's we had the same situation where 1,2,3 were all DOGSO but 4 was debateable.

1. Distance between the offence and the goal.
2. General direction of play.
3. Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball.
4. Location and number of defenders

The only thing I can think of is that it wasn't a trip on Ohashi and he dived which on one of the camera angles from the front it does look debatable as to whether he has jumped into the contact rather than actually being tripped.

 

[UddersBlade]

SUFC News: United star Femi Seriki charged by FA after red card appeal rejected

Sheffield United right-back Femi Seriki has been charged by The Football Association following his reaction to the red card he was shown in last Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Birmingham City.

www.thestar.co.uk

He’s now also facing a new charge apparently following his reaction to the sending off!!!!! Unbelievable….. I bet he ends up with another 3 match ban on top of his 1 match ban!!!!

 

[finlaytheblade]

SUFC News: United star Femi Seriki charged by FA after red card appeal rejected

Sheffield United right-back Femi Seriki has been charged by The Football Association following his reaction to the red card he was shown in last Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Birmingham City.

www.thestar.co.uk

He’s now also facing a new charge apparently following his reaction to the sending off!!!!! Unbelievable….. I bet he ends up with another 3 match ban on top of his 1 match ban!!!!

That's ok! He will be back for the last 4 matches when we cement our surge into the play offs winning our last 8 matches ! You heard it here first !!! Cheers!

 

[Bladesman]

SUFC News: United star Femi Seriki charged by FA after red card appeal rejected

Sheffield United right-back Femi Seriki has been charged by The Football Association following his reaction to the red card he was shown in last Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Birmingham City.

www.thestar.co.uk

He’s now also facing a new charge apparently following his reaction to the sending off!!!!! Unbelievable….. I bet he ends up with another 3 match ban on top of his 1 match ban!!!!

Taken a week to get around to this has it? The FA are a fucking joke. I see Chelsea and Arsenal players surround and mouth off at the ref week in, week out.

This is beyond officials being incompetent now, there is clear bias at play.

 

[Mojo]

What did he do? All I saw was he walked straight off. Bent as it gets this league

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

He chucked his chewing gum to the floor in a threatening manner as he walked off.