Semi final 96 seats

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The FA have offered the Hillsborough families a gesture of keeping 96 seats empty at each semi and a seat for anyone from the families who want to attend.
The families have indicated that they won't be attending and wish these 96 seats to be made available to the participating clubs to give to their fans who can't afford to attend.

Does anyone know if SUFC are getting involved?

 

[Sirius]

[QUOTE="GRUMPY BLADE, post: 589753, member: 387"]The FA have offered the Hillsborough families a gesture of keeping 96 seats empty at each semi and a seat for anyone from the families who want to attend.
The families have indicated that they won't be attending and wish these 96 seats to be made available to the participating clubs to give to their fans who can't afford to attend.
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Does anyone know if SUFC are getting involved?[/QUOTE]

With all due respect to those who perished 25 years ago. How much longer are we to be constantly reminded of this accident, and asked to pay our respects at every verse end. It was a terrible disaster, those involved, will have their own ways of attempting to come to terms with it. I may get endless flack for saying this, but we don't pay such public attention to other tragedies, such as, for instance, the Aberfan, or indeed the Heysel Stadium incident which involved Liverpool supporters.

Twenty five years hence, will the Discovery Channel replace endless programmes about WW2 with programmes about all things Scouse?

It may just be me but when I grieve, I prefer to do it in private, not on a public stage

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

With all due respect to those who perished 25 years ago. How much longer are we to be constantly reminded of this accident, and asked to pay our respects at every verse end. It was a terrible disaster, those involved, will have their own ways of attempting to come to terms with it. I may get endless flack for saying this, but we don't pay such public attention to other tragedies, such as, for instance, the Aberfan, or indeed the Heysel Stadium incident which involved Liverpool supporters.

Or Bradford City which no-one seems to remember and in which 56 people died

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The semi kicks off at 7 minutes past so we can't ignore it [unless we get in the ground at 9 minutes past, but then arriving late means you've not ignored it].

I was just wondering if anyone knew if the club had got involved in providing tickets for those who are not as privileged as us who have purchased.

Then again if you can't afford a ticket you probably can't afford the internet to find out you could get a ticket [even though you can't afford to travel].

 

[Sirius]

Or Bradford City which no-one seems to remember and in which 56 people died

I remember this tragic event. Mrs S and I were on our way to Ibiza for our first holiday alone for some years.

Shortly after landing we saw TV images on the local news. and some of the Spanish speakers asked if we knew where Bradford was. Someone I knew died in that fire. It put a damper on any romantic notions we had of spending time in the sun.
I remember but with private dignity.

 

[travellingblade]

Living in Lincoln, it's NOT something that WE want to forget, (but in private)

I also went to the University of Bradford.

At Sincil Bank, there is a large LCFC flag covering 56 seats, which are never occupied.

Is there anything similar at Anfield?

 

[Blade56]

While this type of gesture (offered with good intentions) continues those unfortunate 96 will never be allowed to rest. The new inquests start today so let due process bring this tragedy to an end for their families. The time for mass public displays of grief and anger are over. A time for quiet respect should prevail.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The reason this is still after all this time in the news is due to the shocking way the FA and the police dealt with it before and after. If it wasn't something where its clear some blame lays it would of been only remembered every 'significant' anniversary. Quite why some people are put out by the fact that for 60 seconds or 7 mins of kick off change of 96 empty seats i do not know. Answers look to be coming after 25 years! TWENTY FIVE! Hopefully then the ghosts can be put to rest and the tragic events gets the same billing as the bradford fire.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I remember but with private dignity.

As does Bradford. Anything else will do little for those involved.

 

[Bladesway]

While this type of gesture (offered with good intentions) continues those unfortunate 96 will never be allowed to rest. The new inquests start today so let due process bring this tragedy to an end for their families. The time for mass public displays of grief and anger are over. A time for quiet respect should prevail.

Perhaps you should ask the families themselves rather than making half arsed assumptions of your own?

 

[JJ Sefton]

Why not rename it the Hillsborough 96 Memorial Cup?

 

[Mancblade1889]

The FA have got the fuckin nerve to take away 96 tickets from the blades or Hull city and offer to families from the hillsborough disaster the disaster they were part of and why the fuck would they want to attend this game honestly. Another meaningless gesture from the FA

 

[Blade56]

Perhaps you should ask the families themselves rather than making half arsed assumptions of your own?

What do you suggest we all throw ourselves on the ground wailing in a public show of grief for the next 25 years? Like most I have stood and shown my public respect for the Liverpool fans. Its time to get a grip and show some quiet respect not ongoing platitudes.

I am going to Wembley to laugh, drink, see friends and enjoy the football and spectacle. I for one will not be flailing my flesh and concentrating on those terrible events by staring at 96 empty seats.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Seen very little grief from the 96's families just a search for answers!

 

[Kendal]

Living in Lincoln, it's NOT something that WE want to forget, (but in private)

I also went to the University of Bradford.

At Sincil Bank, there is a large LCFC flag covering 56 seats, which are never occupied.

They do the same at Valley parade. Wife is from Bradford and knows many who were there & hurt. In the 25th anniversary year, they closed the fire injuries department at the uni as a tribute. :-\

Is there anything similar at Anfield?

Reduce the money making potential by taking 96 seats out of commission? Don't be daft.

 

[Bladesway]

What do you suggest we all throw ourselves on the ground wailing in a public show of grief for the next 25 years? Like most I have stood and shown my public respect for the Liverpool fans. Its time to get a grip and show some quiet respect not ongoing platitudes.

I am going to Wembley to laugh, drink, see friends and enjoy the football and spectacle. I for one will not be flailing my flesh and concentrating on those terrible events by staring at 96 empty seats.

I don't think that anyone expects you to flail your flesh or anything else, just show some respect for 96 people who were fellow football supporters and for whatever reason they died and shouldn't have. If all that is asked is that 96 seats are put on one side then is that really a big dent in your side? Oh and a minute of your precious time of course.

Perhaps you should be asking why 25 years on people are still talking about it? Something to do with it being utterly mishandled?

I read your posts on this issue and you just sound like the most self centred individual ever created. Well done you.

 

[Bladesway]

The FA have got the fuckin nerve to take away 96 tickets from the blades or Hull city and offer to families from the hillsborough disaster the disaster they were part of and why the fuck would they want to attend this game honestly. Another meaningless gesture from the FA

And the response from the families was that they should be given to fans of the teams who can't afford to attend. So obviously no good can come from this at all can it?

 

[Blade56]

I don't think that anyone expects you to flail your flesh or anything else, just show some respect for 96 people who were fellow football supporters and for whatever reason they died and shouldn't have. If all that is asked is that 96 seats are put on one side then is that really a big dent in your side? Oh and a minute of your precious time of course.

Perhaps you should be asking why 25 years on people are still talking about it? Something to do with it being utterly mishandled?

I read your posts on this issue and you just sound like the most self centred individual ever created. Well done you.

Think you will find you are a single minority on this issue. If you are going to Wembley make it for the right reasons, to enjoy the day and your teams success not to mourn the Liverpool fans. And if enjoying my day with my family is self centered then guilty as charged, if me and my family enjoying the day offends you hard lines.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Or Bradford City which no-one seems to remember and in which 56 people died

A mate of mine's brother was playing for Bradford that day - Dave Mossman (unfortunately he also played for the Pigs )

Re the 96 seats - aren't we being a bit petty here? It seems that the families didn't ask for the seats and don't want them. They could have remained silent on the issue, but have taken the trouble to offer those seats to Blades and Hull fans who otherwise couldn't have afforded to be there. Surely this is an act of generosity we should be showing some gratitude for.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

[QUOTE="GRUMPY BLADE, post: 589753, member: 387"]The FA have offered the Hillsborough families a gesture of keeping 96 seats empty at each semi and a seat for anyone from the families who want to attend.
The families have indicated that they won't be attending and wish these 96 seats to be made available to the participating clubs to give to their fans who can't afford to attend.
e the
Does anyone know if SUFC are getting involved?

With all due respect to those who perished 25 years ago. How much longer are we to be constantly reminded of this accident, and asked to pay our respects at every verse end. It was a terrible disaster, those involved, will have their own ways of attempting to come to terms with it. I may get endless flack for saying this, but we don't pay such public attention to other tragedies, such as, for instance, the Aberfan, or indeed the Heysel Stadium incident which involved Liverpool supporters.

Twenty five years hence, will the Discovery Channel replace endless programmes about WW2 with programmes about all things Scouse?

It may just be me but when I grieve, I prefer to do it in private, not on a public stage[/QUOTE]
The scousers caused Heysel and that's why no one goes on about it. The scouse hooligans c caused it.

 

[JohnDenver]

Britain's worst ever sporting disaster followed by one of the most foul cover-ups ever conceived. Justice and truth still not achieved even now.

The idea that briefly marking the 25th anniversary will somehow take the edge off people's days is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Bladesway]

Think you will find you are a single minority on this issue. If you are going to Wembley make it for the right reasons, to enjoy the day and your teams success not to mourn the Liverpool fans. And if enjoying my day with my family is self cantered then guilty as charged, if me and my family enjoying the day offends you hard lines.

Oh no, how will I survive knowing I am in a minority on an issue? Because most people think something makes it right now does it?

Who is saying you should stop enjoying yourself? This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on the subject. If we are reminded that it should never happen again on an annual basis then I would suggest its a force for good. But that might just be me.

Or would you be better served starting yet another thread about who is sitting where and what songs we should sing and when?

 

[Blade56]

But how long do we keep dragging it up? Is 25 years not enough? Do we do another 25 or 96 years?

No amount of memorials, empty seats or minutes silence will bring them back. The lessons have been and quite rightly continue to be learnt. But it's time to let their relatives sort out the legal issues knowing they have everyone's support to find any guilty parties and let them mourn in peace.

They were offered 96 empty seats and admirably said no, does that not say enough is enough?

You obviously feel very strongly and sound personally affected, if that is the case you have everyone's sympathy as do all the other families but these public gestures have to stop at some point and I would argue with the 25 anniversary and the new inquest the time is now.

 

[grafikhaus]

I must admit, for how long is this (or any other) memorial allowed to go on?

Seventy years ago last night, allied bombers set out for Nuremburg and 537 airmen didn't return.

Also, the unseemly displays of grief by the relatives of Flight MH370 are only producing enormous pressure to find something, anything. A huge cover-up will be the result, and it will happen again.

 

[S64 Blade]

It seems slightly illogical offering 96 seats anyway - assuming every individual who died had a family member alive still. That would mean that they have to sit alone.

 

[Silent Blade]

A mate of mine's brother was playing for Bradford that day - Dave Mossman (unfortunately he also played for the Pigs )

I remember watching an ESFA Cup quarter final match in the late 1970s between Henry Fanshawe and a school in the Manchester area. Mossman was playing for Henry Fanshawe

 

[Hartley Hare]

Was it Boris Johnston who wrote this thought provoking article in 2004 Spectator magazine.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/12691/bigleys-fate/#comments

HH

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It seems slightly illogical offering 96 seats anyway - assuming every individual who died had a family member alive still. That would mean that they have to sit alone.

Agree with that and the minutes silence is enough.

Just surprised that nothing has emerged about the request to give the seats to fans.

Will there be a back lash that their wishes were ignored?

 

[boo radley]

All a bit meh these days. All I want is that OUR club comes away from the day really proud and have shown this nation that we acted with dignity so the respect continue to flow towards us.

 

[Bladesway]

You obviously feel very strongly and sound personally affected, if that is the case you have everyone's sympathy as do all the other families but these public gestures have to stop at some point and I would argue with the 25 anniversary and the new inquest the time is now.

Actually I don't. I don't know them and it has nothing to do with me, but I am saddened by anyone saying we should stop remembering people within our own community (football) who died tragically. What I am struggling to grasp is why sympathies have to stop after a time period. I actually hold my own views on what happened but the crux is totally innocent people died. Do you stop caring about that at some point? Is there an egg timer where you just say "fuck that I'm over it now?"

They are asking one minute out of your life in a year to remember and 96 seats (per team) in a ground that holds how many thousand? Whether the gesture is well meaning but ultimately fruitless isn't relevant.

What next, bollocks to remembrance day because I wasn't there? Well it is over 100 years now since it all kicked off? Maybe the victims of Lockerbie or Hungerford should bugger off home and stop blethering on about it because we are all more interested in Paltrow and Coldplay twat uncoupling?

I'm out at this point because you are clearly never going to see the other side and neither am I. I'm just amazed anyone can get to a point where they roll their eyes at something so awful.