Selling the family silver no 1 Ramsdale

[Champagneblade]

Relegation comes with it's pitfalls and one of those is that other teams will make offers for our better performing players.

After a relatively indifferent start, Ramsdale has started to show his worth and of late has been linked with both Leeds and West Ham in press releases.

The Ramsdale fee was somewhat shrouded in mystery. It could ride to 18.5m but the initial payment was likely closer to the 12.5m mark. Unclear as to what these add on are. Did we 'save' some of the fee by bit retaining our PL status or is it based on appearances and international recognition for example?

Based on the fact that every player has his price interested to know your thoughts on the following 3 questions:

1. How much would you consider to part with the player?

2. Who is on your list of candidates to come into consideration? What is your thinking?

3. Out of those, who are you favouring?

For me:
1. 20m.

2. Internally - I would not settle for Moore or Fotheringham. I am intrigued with Verrips. He's 6'5". Possibly a JVW recommendation which it seems didn't get favour with the Manager. Recognized at U19 and U20 by the Dutch National Team. Gone on loan to Emmen and had a superb impact. Gone from conceding 49 in 20 matches before his arrival to 9 in 9 and now have a realistic chance of survival. I doubt any of the younger keepers would be deemed ready.
Externally - I read some good things about the QPR keeper, Dieng. Philips at Cardiff, though put off by the 5 conceded by the Pigs! Brice Samba at Forest and Freddy Woodman doing well on loan and you'd think he'd still not be getting in the Newcastle XI.

3. Inclined to loan Woodman and bank the cash if he was available again or give Verrips a try if his form for Emmen is so compelling.

Your turn (it's going to be a long summer with lots of speculation so we may as well get ready!)

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Before we do anything we need a manager in charge ASAP to asses the squad. It might be a case that we can sell players like Norwood etc if they don’t fit the system he wants to play rather than selling our better players.

Initially we won’t be under any financial pressure it will be just be player power forcing moves if they want out.

 

[Willglynning]

I think for every player we end up selling I’d like to hope we have a relegation release clause that is at the very least more substantial than what we paid for them.

No matter how well we did last season, our budget alone must surely indicate that we were always in with a realistic chance of being around the bottom 3.

If we haven’t arranged decent relegation release clauses then I would be very disappointed.

 

[HeySethUTB]

i don't think Ramsdale wants to leave. But agree with woodman loan.

 

[Webding]

Makes more sense to cash in on Berge for me. He’s more likely to want to leave, and has never really had any impact anyway, so would be less missed in an effectiveness sense, or based on contribution.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a new manager come in with a style that turns Berge into the player that all the YouTube Youths and Data Dudes insist that we have, but I just don’t see it. Plus keeper is arguably a more important position, and we seem to have finally settled down into having a good one.

 

[blade_ben]

25 million and replaced by Maty Ryan

 

[metalblade]

You think Leeds want him when they have Meslier

 

[pommpey]

How is everyone getting a valuation on player relegated with us - and in Ramsdale's case, much of a season being a fucking liability - as fantastically more than we bought him for? He's pulled off a few decent saves and improved a bit since his head-smackingly shit start. Attempts on goal he should have reached. Parries back into the path of attackers who score. Flapping at crosses. Balls creeping under his body. Elaborate dives two seconds after the ball whistles past him. It's not a convincing showreel for any prospective manager looking at options between the sticks next season, let alone in the top flight where he has been backstop two seasons consecutively for teams relegated.

Get real. Offers may come in (I say 'may') and even if they are, they will be measured on what his output has been this season, which hasn't been exactly stellar.

I think he'll be here next season but I really hope the next manager makes him work for his shirt and rotates the goalkeeping duties. Verrips has been patient, and never had a Premier League game. Moore has had one or two. 50/1 Bar. Ramsdale needs to come out firing next season and work hard consistently to keep his jersey. If he does, he may play in the top flight again.

pommpey

 

[ancientblade]

know theres rumours of leeds being interested in rammy but i cant see their being much interest in him from premier league clubs this summer hes not been consistent enough over the season but will be fine for us in the championship

 

[Sheff de party]

Can’t see a Prem team coming in for him, but I’d sell if we can get our money back.

There are some serious deficiencies in his game (catching, coming off his line) and I wouldn’t take the risk that he can overcome them.

 

[bongleblade]

on a side note - if rammers did leave would be happy to try out verrips as no #1 so long as we have a good experienced backup like Ruddy in place

 

[Eza Blade]

West Ham buy him for 10 million as a third choice keeper/one for future. He’s quickly loaned back out to Wilder who has to replace Johnson at West Brom. Both go on to win the league and relegate us on final day with a penalty save in front of Kop.

He’ll be our keeper next year unless the new manager thinks our two keepers are Verrips and Fodringham on bench. No offence to Ramo but I’d rather lose him over JOC or Egan

 

[Willglynning]

How is everyone getting a valuation on player relegated with us - and in Ramsdale's case, much of a season being a fucking liability - as fantastically more than we bought him for? He's pulled off a few decent saves and improved a bit since his head-smackingly shit start. Attempts on goal he should have reached. Parries back into the path of attackers who score. Flapping at crosses. Balls creeping under his body. Elaborate dives two seconds after the ball whistles past him. It's not a convincing showreel for any prospective manager looking at options between the sticks next season, let alone in the top flight where he has been backstop two seasons consecutively for teams relegated.

Get real. Offers may come in (I say 'may') and even if they are, they will be measured on what his output has been this season, which hasn't been exactly stellar.

I think he'll be here next season but I really hope the next manager makes him work for his shirt and rotates the goalkeeping duties. Verrips has been patient, and never had a Premier League game. Moore has had one or two. 50/1 Bar. Ramsdale needs to come out firing next season and work hard consistently to keep his jersey. If he does, he may play in the top flight again.

pommpey

After a less than convincing start he's arguably been our best player of 2021- which, if anything, highlights how dreadful we've been on the whole.

 

[Torrix1889]

£15 to £20m for a keeper with successive relegations on his CV.......

 

[Snowflake]

How is everyone getting a valuation on player relegated with us - and in Ramsdale's case, much of a season being a fucking liability - as fantastically more than we bought him for? He's pulled off a few decent saves and improved a bit since his head-smackingly shit start. Attempts on goal he should have reached. Parries back into the path of attackers who score. Flapping at crosses. Balls creeping under his body. Elaborate dives two seconds after the ball whistles past him. It's not a convincing showreel for any prospective manager looking at options between the sticks next season, let alone in the top flight where he has been backstop two seasons consecutively for teams relegated.

Get real. Offers may come in (I say 'may') and even if they are, they will be measured on what his output has been this season, which hasn't been exactly stellar.

I think he'll be here next season but I really hope the next manager makes him work for his shirt and rotates the goalkeeping duties. Verrips has been patient, and never had a Premier League game. Moore has had one or two. 50/1 Bar. Ramsdale needs to come out firing next season and work hard consistently to keep his jersey. If he does, he may play in the top flight again.

pommpey

It is over 60 years since I heard anyone use the word “backstop”. Thanks for lighting up my day.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

It is over 60 years since I heard anyone use the word “backstop”. Thanks for lighting up my day.

Carlton Blade will definitely agree with that.....not the 60 years though

 

[Webding]

After a less than convincing start he's arguably been our best player of 2021- which, if anything, highlights how dreadful we've been on the whole.

Yeah. Lots of people falling into the trap of having set an opinion and being unable to change it. While it’s a low bar, he’s easily been the player of 2021, plus some of the previous complaints about him (handling, command of area, rushing out) have all been near perfect for three months. Besides, as sloppy/flappy/crappy as he was at the start of the season, there were only a handful of goals where you could have said he was the sole (or even main) reason we conceded it.

 

[CoatesyBlade]

Maybe I’m misreading the situation but I don’t think we’ll sell anyone that the new boss doesn’t want to. If we sell a player I expect it to be at a profit with a suitable replacement coming in.
The only exception being Berge. I don’t want to sound contradictory but I feel his situation is different to that of Ramsdale and Brewster. It’s almost inevitable with his reputation and ability that he’ll leave and to a big club in the process. Hopefully the new gaffer can convince him to stay for one more season at least.
If promotion is the goal then whoever we employ is going to sit down with the Prince and tell him the areas we need to strengthen... not weaken.
Personally I’d be looking to cash in (recoup) on the players that have shown no signs of consistency or form like McB, Mousett, Stevens and even Fleck.
We do have a genuine problem in that many of our players have next to nothing in terms of value should we look to move them on.
On the plus side, our weakest area is the midfield and our youth teams are strong with midfield players.
We need to get the new gaffer in as soon as possible, it’s going to be an interesting summer, time will tell whether it’s going to be a good one or not.

 

[Kev Gee]

Who would want Ramsdale at £20m for a Backup?

Even Man City are skint (relative) at the moment.

Next season Ramsdale will still be here and Verrips likely to leave due to his successful loan spell.

 

[HackeyBlade]

Who is this Fotheringham I keep seeing people mention?

 

[Working Class Hero]

It's now clear that £18.5m was massively over-priced, and he's got another relegation and poor season on his CV since then. Why on earth would any Premier League club buy him for more than that!?

Rather than lose money we might as well keep him now, and hope he can become a good keeper for many years, playing behind a more confident team. He's still only 22 so we can still hope. Top teams will not be paying big bucks based on hope.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

At this rate we will have no players left.
Thats
Ramsdale
Berge
Egan
O'Connell
McBurnie
Bogle
Verrips
And some kid from our U23.
That we might sell.
Jags
Rodwell (I know he doesn't really count)
Ampadu
Lundstram
Moore
That will be leaving or going back to their club.
Add to that the players that are left a few are well into their 30's and another doesn't look bothered anymore.

Has any club gone straight back up after losing so many players ?
I can not think of one, can think of a few that have gone straight back up after keeping most of their squad together though.

 

[CoatesyBlade]

It's now clear that £18.5m was massively over-priced, and he's got another relegation and poor season on his CV since then. Why on earth would any Premier League club buy him for more than that!?

Rather than lose money we might as well keep him now, and hope he can become a good keeper for many years, playing behind a more confident team. He's still only 22 so we can still hope. Top teams will not be paying big bucks based on hope.

Two relegations isn’t necessarily a negative. You could look at it as a huge learning curve. He’s been worked harder than any other keeper in the PL 2 seasons running. What better way to learn your trade. Plus he’s only 22 and an England U21 international. He was Bournemouths player of the year last season and likely ours this. I honestly believe he’s worth has risen since we bought him.

 

[CoatesyBlade]

At this rate we will have no players left.
Thats
Ramsdale
Berge
Egan
O'Connell
McBurnie
Bogle
Verrips
And some kid from our U23.
That we might sell.
Jags
Rodwell (I know he doesn't really count)
Ampadu
Lundstram
Moore
That will be leaving or going back to their club.
Add to that the players that are left a few are well into their 30's and another doesn't look bothered anymore.

Has any club gone straight back up after losing so many players ?
I can not think of one, can think of a few that have gone straight back up after keeping most of their squad together though.

I don’t think we will lose Ramsdale, Egan, JOC, Bogle... or McB for that matter. So let’s not panic about the size of the sqd just yet!

 

[TJ blade]

Who would want Ramsdale at £20m for a Backup?

Even Man City are skint (relative) at the moment.

Next season Ramsdale will still be here and Verrips likely to leave due to his successful loan spell.

They must be mad to let Verrips go good keeper, Foderingham should be gone he's shit!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It's now clear that £18.5m was massively over-priced, and he's got another relegation and poor season on his CV since then. Why on earth would any Premier League club buy him for more than that!?

Rather than lose money we might as well keep him now, and hope he can become a good keeper for many years, playing behind a more confident team. He's still only 22 so we can still hope. Top teams will not be paying big bucks based on hope.

It's also clear that, as was said at the time, we didn't pay close £18.5M however that also gets continually ignored by those seemingly wanting to continually dig him out.
Also the teams wanting to make it into the higher reaches of the league continually gamble on hope, look at some of the transfer of Leicester, Villa, Newcastle, Everton, West Ham over the past few years. They gamble all the time on potential and hope.
There is little doubt that if we sold him, it would be for more than we paid but I don't think we'll be looking to move him on, and he's hopefully going to be our keeper for the next few years. At least until Woodman gives us a decision to make if he reaches that level.

 

[Working Class Hero]

It's also clear that, as was said at the time, we didn't pay close £18.5M however that also gets continually ignored by those seemingly wanting to continually dig him out.
Also the teams wanting to make it into the higher reaches of the league continually gamble on hope, look at some of the transfer of Leicester, Villa, Newcastle, Everton, West Ham over the past few years. They gamble all the time on potential and hope.
There is little doubt that if we sold him, it would be for more than we paid but I don't think we'll be looking to move him on, and he's hopefully going to be our keeper for the next few years. At least until Woodman gives us a decision to make if he reaches that level.

It would have to be in the top 5 fees ever paid in the Premier League for a goalkeeper and one of the most expensive Championship players ever bought. For a player that has looked out of his depth for most of the season and has been relegated twice on the trot with a GA column that contains scary numbers. Who have your quoted clubs gambled on to that extent, in the hope that they'll improve?

 

[Mario1889]

No point in selling Ramsdale as we won’t get anywhere near what we paid for him.

He’s the classic example of how overpriced young English talent is and why so many clubs look to the continent to strengthen their squads.

He’s done better in recent weeks but any Premier League club could get a keeper of a similar standard for £10m-£12m from Europe so I doubt there’ll be many clubs willing to pay us £20m for him.

If he does leave I fear he will be one of many that we lose money on this summer thanks to what has been piss poor recruitment by Wilder since we got promoted.

 

[Jon Bon II]

I am intrigued with Verrips. He's 6'5". Possibly a JVW recommendation which it seems didn't get favour with the Manager. Recognized at U19 and U20 by the Dutch National Team. Gone on loan to Emmen and had a superb impact. Gone from conceding 49 in 20 matches before his arrival to 9 in 9 and now have a realistic chance of survival.

Me too. I can't believe he's not been given more of a chance in his time here. Obviously wasn't in with the Tufty In-Crowd.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It would have to be in the top 5 fees ever paid in the Premier League for a goalkeeper and one of the most expensive Championship players ever bought. For a player that has looked out of his depth for most of the season and has been relegated twice on the trot with a GA column that contains scary numbers. Who have your quoted clubs gambled on to that extent, in the hope that they'll improve?

Improve? All players are gambled on in the hope that they will improve.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that Ramsdale was player of the year at Bournmouth before being sold and is likely to get the same accolade with us this season.
Check his stats for his expected saves to at least give him a fair view of his performance in front of out constantly changing and poor performing defence.
He's also not one of the top 5 fees ever paid in the PL for a goalkeeper, those would be Arrizabalaga, Allison, Ederson, Pickford, and Mendy. so you're just making stuff up as you go along.
To seemingly try and single him out as being a significant factor to Bournemouth's or our relegation is laughable and not worthy of further discussion.