Second Season Syndrome

[jono_t2000]

For a bit of fun decided to have a look at this so called "second season syndrome" (assuming we get there!) and as you can see its all a load of bollocks

Since 04/05 only 25% of the teams that survived their first season in the prem were relegated the following season.

Which is down considerably from the 40% of teams that are relegated in their first season.

Summary: The first season is the hardest and if you survive that you have a 75% chance of staying up the next season as well.

 

[Caveblade]

This appears to be the unresearched easy assumption of fans who don't understand this teams collective unity and it's management team.

The other lazy assumption is great start but you will fall away. They don't say this about Frank Lampards Chelsea or other teams, but we are new to the league so it must happen.

I take the counter view. We are getter more confident, we are getting better and stronger. I genuinely think the Man Ure game could be this season's Villa moment. Shipped 3 goals but CWAK will learn from it and we will go back to being tight at the back.

Eags and Hendo back on Sunday and there may be another suprise result in the Black Country.

I love this team and the momentum, we are shaking it up now, when we stay up we will become even stronger. Up Dem Blades.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

and don't forget our unique style was sussed in the Chumpionship, even more so in the 2nd season and of course this season with a presumed superior set of managers and coaches.

There is a surprise element with new teams and there is also undoubtedly momentum, togetherness and to a certain extent lack of fear which can help teams initially. There's also the flip side when the likes of Fulham rip up the team, start again and ultimatey fail but if you have a plan to gradually improve, don't change too much, and, of course, the players and management step up then you have a chance and no reason why that should fall apart in the 2nd season.

 

[Mouth of the South]

13 games in and talk has turned to Utd being relegated next season, thereby assuming that most feel they'll survive this season. I wonder how many of even the most die hard supporters would have foreseen that before the season started.

I wonder whether there'll be a loop back at the end of the season to review how all the pundits/'experts' did in their predictions....

 

[Sid1978]

For a bit of fun decided to have a look at this so called "second season syndrome" (assuming we get there!) and as you can see its all a load of bollocks

Since 04/05 only 25% of the teams that survived their first season in the prem were relegated the following season.

Which is down considerably from the 40% of teams that are relegated in their first season.

Summary: The first season is the hardest and if you survive that you have a 75% chance of staying up the next season as well.

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Don't come on here with facts!!

What would be really interesting is where the teams that stayed up finished in their first season and where they finished in the second season......

 

[botoble]

Ahh Beautiful Huddlesfield

 

[blademark]

Nice bit of interesting info, but the key bit of data that neutrals overlook is that Chris Wilder has never finished a season lower than the previous season (at the same club). We all know that he has never been relegated, never even come close as far as I know. We are talking about a modern day genius here, and now that he is also doing it in the premier league (so far), I'm feeling a slight touch of invincibility.
Keeping him happy is the only thing that matters. Repeat, the ONLY thing. Everything else will follow.

 

[BladeInIreland]

I think it's actually a good sign if people are talking about a second season in November.

 

[JackSUFC]

Don't come on here with facts!!

What would be really interesting is where the teams that stayed up finished in their first season and where they finished in the second season......

Well Leicester won the league. Was it Burnley's second season back up they qualified for Europe? Wolves currently 5th.

Basically 'second season syndrome' is a load of bollocks and just Wednesday fans' latest hilarious prediction.

 

[metalblade]

As far as I can see with our present team we are getting better week after week. You can see the players speed of thought is now at Premier League levels and the fear factor is now all but gone now they know they can compete with the best teams and players. The players too are learning every game just how much they can get away with and what impresses Premier League referees to blow for a fouls etc. Knowing when to take one for the team or to go down to win that important free kick is all part of the game at this level newly promoted teams can be far too honest. A third of the season gone and we are around half way to safety it would take a tremendous collapse of form for us to get less points in the remaining 2/3 of the season could happen but I very much doubt it. A few more players in January could see us kick on even more.

 

[MobileBlade]

You just wait until the fans get impatient because we ain't spent £100million on a player and we are in 10th position in League. Friday Implosions will return to the forum I tell ye.

 

[lakedistblade]

There is a lot more to come from us. Signings of. RCB, CM and GK. Didsy to start scoring and Mcburnie to gain more confidence. Inferiority complex at beginning of season gone. It's quite something how the pundits, who are predisposed to talk down an unglamorous promoted team just having a promotion bounce, are now falling over themselves to back us. Our performances speak for themselves and it's plain to all, not just we happy Blades, this team means business.

 

[madeinsheffield]

Second season in the Championship didn't see us relegated did it?

 

[Antonb]

I’m not getting carried away until it’s confirmed we are safe from relegation! Then I’m going to start giving it some! Most thought we were going to stay up when we beat Watford last time in the prem but look what happened!

 

[blademark]

I’m not getting carried away until it’s confirmed we are safe from relegation! Then I’m going to start giving it some! Most thought we were going to stay up when we beat Watford last time in the prem but look what happened!

Fair points Anton. I would say though in that last campaign, the entire season was a relegation fight. This season is completely different. At no time have we looked like a newly promoted team, just the opposite in fact. We look well established, comfortable, confident, and steadily improving. We are now looking up, not down.

 

[coaxingstar71]

I feel that the six games following the Wolves game are key. I know we think we can give anyone a game now but if we can get 3 or 4 wins and a draw or 2 from those, we’ll be in a great position. May sound daft, but obviously it would mean those teams don’t get points.

 

[gordoncharles]

Well done to Jon for the chart.

From that as well, every team promoted since 2011-12 which wasn't relegated in its 1st or 2nd season is still there (for now). . That's 10 out of 21.

Southampton and West Ham proving there's no such thing as an "established Premier League club" though.

 

[Blade for Sale]

The year is 2025, and Mark Lawrenson has just submitted his preview:

Sheffield United v West Brom.
Despite 6 years in the top flight, 2 European campaigns including a win in the San Siro and a remarkable draw in the Bernabeu, and a couple of domestic trophys, I really think this is where Sheffield United's bubble will burst. West Brom will be bang up for this one, and so for the 223rd match in a row, I'm going for a Blades defeat here.

 

[Stretch]

For a bit of fun decided to have a look at this so called "second season syndrome" (assuming we get there!) and as you can see its all a load of bollocks

Since 04/05 only 25% of the teams that survived their first season in the prem were relegated the following season.

Which is down considerably from the 40% of teams that are relegated in their first season.

Summary: The first season is the hardest and if you survive that you have a 75% chance of staying up the next season as well.

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I think I took too many drugs in my 20s. Can't make head nor tail of that.

 

[BushBlade]

I think I took too many drugs in my 20s. Can't make head nor tail of that.

You’re not taking enough now then. You can’t stop once you’ve started, that fucks everything up.

 

[wavy-blade]

With this guy in charge we have no worries , If he leaves we fucked it

Raw fookin Passion

 

[Woodwardfan]

I remember 6th season syndrome in League 1.

 

[Upton_Blade]

This appears to be the unresearched easy assumption of fans who don't understand this teams collective unity and it's management team.

The other lazy assumption is great start but you will fall away. They don't say this about Frank Lampards Chelsea or other teams, but we are new to the league so it must happen.

I take the counter view. We are getter more confident, we are getting better and stronger. I genuinely think the Man Ure game could be this season's Villa moment. Shipped 3 goals but CWAK will learn from it and we will go back to being tight at the back.

Eags and Hendo back on Sunday and there may be another suprise result in the Black Country.

I love this team and the momentum, we are shaking it up now, when we stay up we will become even stronger. Up Dem Blades.

This, exactly this!

Since CW came in we have, barring our 1st Champ season post Coutts injury, got better and better as the season has gone on.

This is, IMO, due to CW being new to the division each time and learning on the job so to speak and no reason that won't continue.

 

[Brian Blessed]

Aye second season syndrome was a nightmare in the Championship. After starting well in the first year back but slumping to finish 10th Wilder definitely got found out, probably go down the following season eh?

 

[Freddie]

With this guy in charge we have no worries , If he leaves we fucked it

Raw fookin Passion

Exactly why VAR should be scrapped IMMEDIATELY. That fantastic feeling and then a 3 minute wait to see if it’s a goal or not.

 

[jt64]

The year is 2025, and Mark Lawrenson has just submitted his preview:

Sheffield United v West Brom.
Despite 6 years in the top flight, 2 European campaigns including a win in the San Siro and a remarkable draw in the Bernabeu, and a couple of domestic trophys, I really think this is where Sheffield United's bubble will burst. West Brom will be bang up for this one, and so for the 223rd match in a row, I'm going for a Blades defeat here.

Meanwhile, he's on a 846 game streak of picking Liverpool to win, but still can't work out why they haven't ended their 35 year title drought

 

[blade67]

For a bit of fun decided to have a look at this so called "second season syndrome" (assuming we get there!) and as you can see its all a load of bollocks

Since 04/05 only 25% of the teams that survived their first season in the prem were relegated the following season.

Which is down considerably from the 40% of teams that are relegated in their first season.

Summary: The first season is the hardest and if you survive that you have a 75% chance of staying up the next season as well.

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thanks for doing this. I was reading one of the threads on this last night and had a look to see if anyone had actually done any analysis on 2nd season syndrome. What I found was a load of lazy journos writing shit with very little to back it up in the way of the type of facts above. It infuriates me that pundits and journalists are so lazy and that in the case of ex-players their opinions are repeated across the media and so gain a traction they don't deserve.

Another way of looking at these stats is that in your 2nd season you have the same chances as any of the teams fighting it out for the bottom 12 positions.

 

[wavy-blade]

aa

Exactly why VAR should be scrapped IMMEDIATELY. That fantastic feeling and then a 3 minute wait to see if it’s a goal or not.

Hear Hear , you have all the elation of scoring a goal then its taken away , its getting to the point you don't want to celebrate , and that's the feeling you go to the match for , get rid .

 

[DifferentClass]

I think it's actually a good sign if people are talking about a second season in November.

Now you've done it!

 

[Snake]

I must admit a couple of months ago I was thinking that maybe we are playing at the very top of our capabilities and nicking some tight games. I strongly suspected (though never dreamt we would remain in this position for as long as we have) that we would have enough about us this season to avoid relegation. However, I did feel that next season it would be far tougher for us - when our game has been proverbially sussed out, as we are often reminded by the "experts"

After Saturday though I don't think like that anymore. We have increasingly come into our own since that nightmare fixture schedule of City, Liverpool, Arsenal, West Ham, City. We are showing that we are more than capable of holding our own (and more!) in this division over a sustained period of time. Brighton will easily survive this season - probably finishing 15 or 16th. They came to do a job on us and that is what they did - the same as they have done to Chelsea, Spurs and others this season. However, we were easily the better team through skill more than pure graft.

In my mind this bodes really well for the immediate future. With a few more signings and tactical tweaks in the summer I am positive we will be in a similar position next season. I'd love us to get into Europe but I'm not going to lose any sleep if we dont. If we just fall short there it will give us something to really aim for next season and continue our fantastic progression under CWAK - with the excellent off field leadership of the Prince and Steve Bettis.

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