Scunny Goal

[ucandomagic]

How did this (3 players with Madden)





become this? (nobody with Madden)



The ball doesn't score - players do. That's why good defenders watch the men and not the ball (look at Wright in the first shot to see it done properly). Watch top class defenders at a corner - they don't care where the ball is as long as they know where their man is and are touch tight on him. The three of them have marked the space where they thought the ball was going, but Madden ran to the space that he hoped it would go to. If Freeman is close to Madden (like Wright to his man) and matches his run he is able to tackle him as the ball arrives.

OK, the cross was deflected - but if the men are covered the ball won't score.

Ask my school coach from 1967!!

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[Stretch]

It was a very poor goal to concede although I think the deflected cross seemed to catch our lads out. Only Madden seemed to anticipate it, either that or he just gambled. Either way Freeman seemed to get caught flat footed, with the player in front of him he really shouldn't have let him slip like that.

 

[boo radley]

You are right about it. Why are the players looking to get out before time.

 

[Superblades]

They legged it out as I think they thought the guy was gonna pull the ball back to the guy unmarked on the edge of the area. Lack of communication as one needed to go out and the other stay with the guy who scored.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I just feel bad for Jake Wright who has to be our entire defence most games.

 

[ucandomagic]

I just feel bad for Jake Wright who has to be our entire defence most games.

Jake really is quite amazing.

Our school coach told us - stay goalside of your man with your hand on his back so you know where he is - and just look at Jake. This is a random shot from a live match. If Freeman is doing that we win the game - and then nobody even remembers the incident. In the main, good defending is invisible - it's only when time stands still that you can really see it.

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[UnitedBlade]

Basham and is it Coutts can see the guy on the ball is likely to make the byline and cut it back so they are moving to get close to the players on the edge of the box. Madden doesn't need to drop off but hang around the far post hoping for a rebound.

You might reasonably expect Wright and O'Connell to cut out anything that comes across their area but they didn't. There was a coming together of Wright and their forward with a fortuitous richocet.

Freeman was nearest Madden and should have stayed with him but was caught flat footed by the richocet.

A bit unfortunate but a bad goal to concede. We started the half very sloppily.

 

[Ricky]

One of Freeman or Basham should have stayed close to Madden, I'd also question why Coutts dropped to the 6 yard box rather than covering closer to the edge of the area. But the deflection was unlucky, and typical Scunthorpe.

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

It does my 'ed in big-time, but take a look at endless videos of modern-day defenders (in all divisions; the Prem too) - most of them don't keep checking around to see the movement of opposition players, yet seem to be mesmerized into watching the movement of the ball. Zonal marking to blame?

 

[metalblade]

WTF was Basham doing rushing out he was goal side of Madden if he holds his position Madden doesn't get a sniff, looks like a case of two midfielders not doing a centre backs job. If the ball is cut back to the edge of the area it is Coutts who should deal with that not Basham .

 

[SwissBlade]

Like the crowd on TV, the players hadn't made it out to start the second half...

I bet they got a proper bollocking off wilder for that!

 

[blades78]

As much as I rate Wright and agree that the 3 defenders in the box were sloppy, the cross should have been cleared by Wright. He missed the ball off balance and it went through his legs.

 

[Balham]

Much as I like Basham at centre half that goal has to go down as his error for me - there's no need for him to be charging out to the man on the edge; that's for the midfield to deal with. Freeman is caught flat-footed but as a wingback he shouldn't be expected to pick up a centre forward.



Coutts should be further out - somewhere near the penalty spot - to cut out the pull back. That leaves Basham to deal with Madden.



Had Basham done his job as a centre half he'd have been in position to clear the deflected cross.

 

[BushBlade]

For most goals in open play a defender will be out of position.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Too easy to pull things apart afterwards.
These decisions are made in less than a blink of an eye. As others have pointed out, defenders are moving to anticipate passes to free players....as it is their player just isn't that good to do that. He just kept his head down and hit it hard into a danger area. They got lucky how it dropped.

We were slow to get going and sloppy out wide which gave them the chance to cross it. Stop the cross, stop the goal. Simple.
They mention the deflection, but that deflection was very slight....I was bang in line with it. Could criticise Freeman or bash for Madden getting in...but he just gambled and set off. Nothing could be done about it by then. Our players are all in the right body position, he is running forwards. Shit happens.

So there we go....one cross went their way....one cross went our way.
They will be pissed off that despite defenders in numbers the ball fell to sharp unmarked 6 yards out and he still got it through bodies to score. Same for them as us, the damage was done when we were allowed to get the ball across.


On a side note, how many times second half did we get in areas wide better than they did and not even get their keeper to save it or a shot away?

 

[blade too long]

Deflections catch a lot out, if your momentums going upfield and the ball gets deflected just behind you it can be lethal
a good attacker will be praying for this bit of luck and half turning already hoping for a break

weve got caught out once in february with Wright bak and that due to a defection

 

[LJBlade]

Much as I like Basham at centre half that goal has to go down as his error for me - there's no need for him to be charging out to the man on the edge; that's for the midfield to deal with. Freeman is caught flat-footed but as a wingback he shouldn't be expected to pick up a centre forward.

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Coutts should be further out - somewhere near the penalty spot - to cut out the pull back. That leaves Basham to deal with Madden.

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Had Basham done his job as a centre half he'd have been in position to clear the deflected cross.

I think it's harsh to solely blame Basham for the goal,who's man was it who put the cross in? Who didn't stop the initial build up before the cross?

I agree though that Basham was at fault for the the final stage of the goal. If he had just stayed put instead of stepping out to cut the potential cut-back (he didn't need to do that as Coutts was doing it) then he would've been able to block and clear the cross.

Also, wing-back or not I would've expected Freeman to cover the centre-forward in that situation as he can see where the centre forward is better than Basham. That would've left Basham free to focus on clearing the cross.

 

[Hodgyman]

I thought the problem was to do with United's half time drink was cocoa instead of coffee. They were asleep until the Scunthorpe cheers woke them up.
Tea lady - OUT!!!!

 

[Bergen Blade]

Our depth marking is poor as the cross is being made:



The fact that we have nobody covering the zone in front of the defenders, leads to:

• Coutts pushing up
• Basham pushing up
• Madden dropping back
• Freeman switching off (maybe thinking Coutts/Basham's pushing up means Madden won't get the ball either)
• Madden turning towards goal
• Madden scoring

Although Coutts may think he's back helping the defence, his too deep position is actually what brings about the other errors.


A side point, the excessive zoom again doesn't show if Dawson was offside or not when he got the ball out wide.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Our depth marking is poor as the cross is being made:

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The fact that we have nobody covering the zone in front of the defenders, leads to:

• Coutts pushing up
• Basham pushing up
• Madden dropping back
• Freeman switching off (maybe thinking Coutts/Basham's pushing up means Madden won't get the ball either)
• Madden turning towards goal
• Madden scoring

Although Coutts may think he's back helping the defence, his too deep position is actually what brings about the other errors.


A side point, the excessive zoom again doesn't show if Dawson was offside or not when he got the ball out wide.

I've seen the goal as filmed by a Scunthorpe fan from behind the goal and he does look marginally offside.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

Being s

Our depth marking is poor as the cross is being made:

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The fact that we have nobody covering the zone in front of the defenders, leads to:

• Coutts pushing up
• Basham pushing up
• Madden dropping back
• Freeman switching off (maybe thinking Coutts/Basham's pushing up means Madden won't get the ball either)
• Madden turning towards goal
• Madden scoring

Although Coutts may think he's back helping the defence, his too deep position is actually what brings about the other errors.


A side point, the excessive zoom again doesn't show if Dawson was offside or not when he got the ball out wide.

Being super critical you could question why is Duffy stationary?

If it hadn't been for the deflection (as someone said earlier) nothing would have been made from the situation. It does seem that every mistake we make gets punished whereas we are always "very close to scoring 4 or 5 times a match"

 

[Esablade]

..bit unlucky/lucky break, bad defending from us, good anticipation from Madden..

 

[HoodedClaw]

Our depth marking is poor as the cross is being made:

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The fact that we have nobody covering the zone in front of the defenders, leads to:

• Coutts pushing up
• Basham pushing up
• Madden dropping back
• Freeman switching off (maybe thinking Coutts/Basham's pushing up means Madden won't get the ball either)
• Madden turning towards goal
• Madden scoring

Although Coutts may think he's back helping the defence, his too deep position is actually what brings about the other errors.


A side point, the excessive zoom again doesn't show if Dawson was offside or not when he got the ball out wide.

Exactly this.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Nearly every goals scored can be put down to someone s mistake. We do seem to be vulnerable down that flank, surely Wilder will be working on that. Don't think we can blame anyone after the deflection which wrong footed all our players.
Madden is an out and out poacher
with a good scoring record at this level, natural instinct to react on the front foot in that area Sharpe I assume would have done similar. Just look how goalkeepers are wrong footed by deflections,instinctive reaction from our defenders when cross came in is push out and leave Madden stranded unfortunately the deflection did us.
The mistake was wide Dawson had far too much room ( not closed down quick enough.

 

[PittsburghBlade]

Some of the "experts" on here make me laugh. You think there's any room for error at the level we're playing at? Decisions are made in a split second and if he cuts it back like he DID try to do, we cut it out.

Very easy to pick it apart after but truth is if he does what he means to do and isn't incredibly fortuitous we deal with the situation.

 

[Grizzly blade]

I was in line, Dawson wasn't offside

 

[I should coco]

I was in line, Dawson wasn't offside

Call yourself a Blade?

Off with you and your nancy fair minded unbiased ways!

 

[Fiery Blade]

Madden did what our forwards/strikers fail to do is GAMBLE !
How many times have Duffy, Lafferty, Freeman and Coutts put balls into the box and even Sharpy is stood looking rather than take the gamble and anticipate the cross ?
Perhaps I am being over critical but watching Arsenal last night Walcott gambled twice - Lopez scored from the first when Walcott caused the distraction and he finished off the second with aplomb as he had gambled to get into that position !

 

[wizadry]

For me, Coutts caused us the problems for the goal, our players were too busy concentrating and worrying about the area where Coutts should've been covering to be able to react to any deflection. There was absolutely no need for Coutts to be where he was, he made us look like we had six across the backline. Some weren't switched on from the kick off and this will need addressing.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Good job it was their centre half who went to hook the ball clear and missed it completely for our goal. Can you imagine the uproar on here if Bash, Wright or Jack had done that.