Saudi’s Wants Premier League Refs

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Who's to say they're not getting at them already?, some strange decisions being made these days
 
originaltrueblade said:
I support this take all the bloody lot so we can reset and start a fresh
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Will never work whilst any decisions are based on opinion.

Let's imagine a scenario where there's a gentle nudge on a player running at speed, attacking player falls down, ref gives a penalty.
is it a foul or no foul, did the play falling down make a meal of the challenge?

What you always find is that the when a team gains from that decision, the players, the manager and the fans all say, VAR shows clear contact, the penalty was correct.
However on every single occasion the opposing manager who concedes the penalty, the players and the fans are say, refs haven't a clue, never played the game, you can't give pens for the smallest of touches or we'd have 5 pens every match, the players made a meal of it and we were robbed.

Basically it doesn't matter what the ref does, one set of fans will always say disgraceful decision, lets sack the incompetent refs and start again.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Will never work whilst any decisions are based on opinion.

Let's imagine a scenario where there's a gentle nudge on a player running at speed, attacking player falls down, ref gives a penalty.
is it a foul or no foul, did the play falling down make a meal of the challenge?

What you always find is that the when a team gains from that decision, the players, the manager and the fans all say, VAR shows clear contact, the penalty was correct.
However on every single occasion the opposing manager who concedes the penalty, the players and the fans are say, refs haven't a clue, never played the game, you can't give pens for the smallest of touches or we'd have 5 pens every match, the players made a meal of it and we were robbed.

Basically it doesn't matter what the ref does, one set of fans will always say disgraceful decision, lets sack the incompetent refs and start again.
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Whereas I’d suggest that both sets of players, management and fans recognise a crap decision when they see one, but we are so passionate and/or shallow, that those who benefit don’t really give a fuck and celebrate. A higher standard of refereeing will never make it perfect (and indeed, the inconsistency is part of the fun) but it would cut down on the nonsense we are currently being subjected to.

Having said that, those wishing to see the PL refs gone should take a moment to remember the standards in the lower divisions.
 
HillmortonBlade said:
Whereas I’d suggest that both sets of players, management and fans recognise a crap decision when they see one, but we are so passionate and/or shallow, that those who benefit don’t really give a fuck and celebrate.
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The thing that I find concerning is how on most occasions, even managers, won't accept a correct decision.

Example: Spurs at home to Sporting Lisbon in the Champions League last season.
Spurs needs to win to go through, they played brilliantly towards the end of the 2nd half and deserved to win but kept missing chance after chance.
Looked like they'd blown it, them deep into injury time, last kick of the game, Harry Kane scores. The ground erupts, brilliant scenes.
Then VAR comes on and disallows it for a tight offside decision in the build up.

The video reply clearly shows there was an offside, so the decision to disallow the goal was 100% correct.

In the post match interview, amazingly the Spurs manager was saying how, the decision was a disgrace.
He said it was a great moment in football that has been destroyed by VAR and for the "good of the game" the goal should have stood.
He also complained that UEFA only want the big clubs in the final stages, he said if it had been Real Madrid or Barcelona scoring, then VAR would have allowed it.

Also amazingly in the newspapers the day after, the headlines were that Spurs had been robbed by VAR.
On the radio they were talking about VAR intervention destroying the game.

Here's me thinking the rules are agreed before the season starts, yes it was unlucky, but the goal was clearly offside.
Can you believe it....people were ringing Talksport saying tight offside decision should be classed as on-side.

Think the fans wanted an FA and UEFA rule, that if it's Harry Kane scoring a tight offside goal then it should be allowed.
Also you had some saying the offside cut off should be 6 inches, but them here's me thinking so if someone is 6 inch offside...that counts as a goal
but if he's 7 inch offside then it's disallowed....so the tight decisions still exist.

As I said.....fairness and applying the rules becomes irrelevant because losing managers, fans and players (when emotional) don't respect the rules
.....so when ever a decision goes against you...then the default position is the ref is incompetent.
 
Sheffsteel said:
The thing that I find concerning is how on most occasions, even managers, won't accept a correct decision.

Example: Spurs at home to Sporting Lisbon in the Champions League last season.
Spurs needs to win to go through, they played brilliantly towards the end of the 2nd half and deserved to win but kept missing chance after chance.
Looked like they'd blown it, them deep into injury time, last kick of the game, Harry Kane scores. The ground erupts, brilliant scenes.
Then VAR comes on and disallows it for a tight offside decision in the build up.

The video reply clearly shows there was an offside, so the decision to disallow the goal was 100% correct.

In the post match interview, amazingly the Spurs manager was saying how, the decision was a disgrace.
He said it was a great moment in football that has been destroyed by VAR and for the "good of the game" the goal should have stood.
He also complained that UEFA only want the big clubs in the final stages, he said if it had been Real Madrid or Barcelona scoring, then VAR would have allowed it.

Also amazingly in the newspapers the day after, the headlines were that Spurs had been robbed by VAR.
On the radio they were talking about VAR intervention destroying the game.

Here's me thinking the rules are agreed before the season starts, yes it was unlucky, but the goal was clearly offside.
Can you believe it....people were ringing Talksport saying tight offside decision should be classed as on-side.

Think the fans wanted an FA and UEFA rule, that if it's Harry Kane scoring a tight offside goal then it should be allowed.
Also you had some saying the offside cut off should be 6 inches, but them here's me thinking so if someone is 6 inch offside...that counts as a goal
but if he's 7 inch offside then it's disallowed....so the tight decisions still exist.

As I said.....fairness and applying the rules becomes irrelevant because losing managers, fans and players (when emotional) don't respect the rules
.....so when ever a decision goes against you...then the default position is the ref is incompetent.
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Agree with all this, but the changes to make things “fairer” seem to have made things the poor opposite. I have a degree of sympathy for the referees, but at the same time recognise that they compound a difficult job with seemingly increasing incompetence.

I also agree that many managers seem to demonstrate poor leadership and professionalism by letting emotions rule their reasoning. Probably either playing up to the fans, protecting the players/themselves or (most likely) a manifestation of the stress they are under.
 
Sheffsteel said:
The thing that I find concerning is how on most occasions, even managers, won't accept a correct decision.

Example: Spurs at home to Sporting Lisbon in the Champions League last season.
Spurs needs to win to go through, they played brilliantly towards the end of the 2nd half and deserved to win but kept missing chance after chance.
Looked like they'd blown it, them deep into injury time, last kick of the game, Harry Kane scores. The ground erupts, brilliant scenes.
Then VAR comes on and disallows it for a tight offside decision in the build up.

The video reply clearly shows there was an offside, so the decision to disallow the goal was 100% correct.

In the post match interview, amazingly the Spurs manager was saying how, the decision was a disgrace.
He said it was a great moment in football that has been destroyed by VAR and for the "good of the game" the goal should have stood.
He also complained that UEFA only want the big clubs in the final stages, he said if it had been Real Madrid or Barcelona scoring, then VAR would have allowed it.

Also amazingly in the newspapers the day after, the headlines were that Spurs had been robbed by VAR.
On the radio they were talking about VAR intervention destroying the game.

Here's me thinking the rules are agreed before the season starts, yes it was unlucky, but the goal was clearly offside.
Can you believe it....people were ringing Talksport saying tight offside decision should be classed as on-side.

Think the fans wanted an FA and UEFA rule, that if it's Harry Kane scoring a tight offside goal then it should be allowed.
Also you had some saying the offside cut off should be 6 inches, but them here's me thinking so if someone is 6 inch offside...that counts as a goal
but if he's 7 inch offside then it's disallowed....so the tight decisions still exist.

As I said.....fairness and applying the rules becomes irrelevant because losing managers, fans and players (when emotional) don't respect the rules
.....so when ever a decision goes against you...then the default position is the ref is incompetent.
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The other thing that gets me in those scenarios is that fans (ours are as bad as any for this) always say that VAR is robbing them. If VAR is changing the decisions against your team, that means that the original decision must have been in favour of your team. In our first season up, we had lots of original decisions go in our favour, which VAR ‘corrected’ (and a few the other way). Surely if there was a genuine conspiracy against us, it would easier for the ref to give the original decision against us too (a bit like Sunday, come to think of it).
 
Surely if they take all the PL refs then the natural progression is the Championship refs step up.

That would be a bloodbath!
 



The black hole that is Saudi football will hopefully suck all the shit we hate about football right now . Nonce players , shithousing and wank refs . Sell the whole fucking circus to Amazon and have done with it . For one won’t be subscribing to hat so FU Jeff Bezos . On another ridiculous note the thought occurred to me last season about what would happen if we got promoted being a Saudi owned team playing a state owned Saudi team . I know Prince had connectivity to top state officials through sport ministry. Conspiracy theories about him being worded to not distract the Toon project ? Then by miracle we get promoted and we get done by eight 🤔 make your own mind up .
 
Yeah, let's replace them with all the officials that we were calling shit last season who are in the Championship for a reason
 
Take them all!

The F.A. should go on a recruitment drive to try and get ex footballers or coaches as refs. They know the game.

Funny how a lot of positions in football have been occupied by ex footballers. Whether that be for example: President of UEFA or managers of football clubs or coaching. Why not refs so much?

An almost rhetorical question really...
 
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SuperSonicBlade89 said:
Take them all!

The F.A. should go on a recruitment drive to try and get ex footballers or coaches as refs. They know the game.

Funny how a lot of positions in football have been occupied by ex footballers. Whether that be for example: President of UEFA or managers of football clubs or coaching. Why not refs so much?

An almost rhetorical question really...
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But do they though, they know how to play, they might know how to coach, but do they know how to get into the positions and make a decision. Half of them still call it rules when its been Laws of the Game for donkeys years, not sure if Sky still do but most refer to a yellow card as a booking when it has been a caution for again along time. If you are a player you are probably mid 30s coming up to retirement what pool of players would the recruitment drive be aimed at? Due to the money in the game, most players at even Championship level can afford to retire at 35 or at very least have something lined up that is cushy. Would you want to retire or take the extra pressure on of being the former player who is a referee? A 35 year old former League 1 player, what division do you give him his 1st game in, its not like players are going to respect him anymore because he once played at Plymouth or something.

They have done it in Rugby Union and fast tracked a couple of former players notably NZ do it most but the pay in Union isn't the largest, its a big corporate wage with only a handful being able to retire at the end of their careers. Those referees are good however still make "mistakes" in the eyes of the extra TV angles and super slow mo that the casual fan sees.
 
SuperSonicBlade89 said:
Take them all!

The F.A. should go on a recruitment drive to try and get ex footballers or coaches as refs. They know the game.

Funny how a lot of positions in football have been occupied by ex footballers. Whether that be for example: President of UEFA or managers of football clubs or coaching. Why not refs so much?

An almost rhetorical question really...
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Money really. The pay isn't worth it.

That said, they may know how to play but that doesn't mean they know how to referee
 



SuperSonicBlade89 said:
The F.A. should go on a recruitment drive to try and get ex footballers or coaches as refs. They know the game.
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Hi Stegosaurus here,


I am very very surprised that isn't an actual thing. Someone mentioned the PL refs are on 300k --- surely that's a good enough wage to entice ex-players. Not every player is gonna be a coach afterwards, or get a cushty pundits job at the end of the career. Especially players from the Championship and League 1 and League 2.

I am really surprised we haven't seen players transition to refs before. If I was a plodding, L1 player about the hang up my boots, I would definitely see it as a good option to stay part of the game and earn a decent wage while doing so.
 
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