Sander berge

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Harry's Game said:
He looked excellent for 35 minutes and then looked like Hammond from that point onwards until full time.

He has to do more for me.

If Osborn had been on the bench then he would have been pulled after 60 mins.
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Bogle would have been a better choice from the bench
 

hes obviously not fit yet but he was fine in first half it was heckys fault he should have been subbed after 65 i rate berge but he does play as though he doesnt want to be here anything near to 20m and i would sell him
 
Greenblades said:
Did we not win 3 on the bounce away from home without him as well, or did we forget that as well. Listen I would love him to fantastic for 90 mins or indeed 70 but he is not in my opinion. Totally respect others but let’s try to be objective.
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I posted a while ago, form with Berge was 2 points a game.
Form without him was about 1.5 points a game. One gets you top 2, the other doesn't even get you top 6.

Of course, there were others out and other factors but I can't ignore my eyes. We play our best, fluid, attacking football when Berge is pulling the strings high up the pitch.
I completely acknowledge that he does drift out of games at times, but tonight he faded because he was knackered and making his way back from a long-term lay off. The first half an hour was as good as we've played for ages (could have been 4/5-0 up) and he was pivotal to that.
Accusations of laziness are wide of the mark.

Why anyone would want to sell him, when we know we'll only be allowed to spend about £4/5m of the proceeds, baffles me.
 
Speedracer said:
Don't think you can blame him 100% for that, he had a decent first half but is clearly nowhere near match fit & should have been taken off at the 55 min mark, he was an injury waiting to happen. I simply don't understand why Hecky does this with certain players & then bemoans all our injuries. It didn't help him either, being shoved over on the left in front of the still hapless Enda, who sadly is a shadow of the player he was.
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Is it because most of the players on the bench are also coming back from injury? Maybe by taking Berge off at 55, for Doyle, you’re removing the risk to Berge but increasing the risk to Doyle, and then McAtee because there’d be no one to replace him, unless you replace him with Bash, who’s not really a CM at this level. I think he’d have probably done a job but he’s had a few injury issues himself and maybe he’s not 100% either.
I get the frustration, I was thinking “fucking do something Hecky, they’re getting back into this, we’re going to drop two important points” but we didn’t and when I looked at the bench again, I could understand the possible issues.
 
BushBlade said:
Is it because most of the players on the bench are also coming back from injury? Maybe by taking Berge off at 55, for Doyle, you’re removing the risk to Berge but increasing the risk to Doyle, and then McAtee because there’d be no one to replace him, unless you replace him with Bash, who’s not really a CM at this level. I think he’d have probably done a job but he’s had a few injury issues himself and maybe he’s not 100% either.
I get the frustration, I was thinking “fucking do something Hecky, they’re getting back into this, we’re going to drop two important points” but we didn’t and when I looked at the bench again, I could understand the possible issues.
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It's a great point BB & I did think that myself, but if they are not capable of doing 30 mins or so they shouldn't be on the bench in the first place. Having said that we are obviously short of bodies still so maybe Hecky has no choice but to put players who are not ready there?
 
Speedracer said:
It's a great point BB & I did think that myself, but if they are not capable of doing 30 mins or so they shouldn't be on the bench in the first place. Having said that we are obviously short of bodies still so maybe Hecky has no choice but to put players who are not ready there?
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That’s how I see it. My guess is they’d be capable of 30 if absolutely necessary but it would be a risk, possibly a bigger one than keeping certain players on. I don’t know who else we could have had on the bench, most of the better youth players are out on loan getting valuable experience. Arblaster maybe? It’s alright people saying “play a kid, he’s not going to do any worse” but you only have to think back to Seriki to see that it’s bollocks.
Hecky really needs to get to the bottom of these injuries, if he doesn’t, it could end up costing him his job. It’s disheartening to see Osborn out with a strain when we’ve just had a month off.
 
N'Diayewillalwaysloveyou said:
What a weird reply. Can't believe I share the same name.
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Is it not fair enough though, Luke? Getting to the elite level of fitness required to get to the point where you don't run out of gas during a 90 minute game of championship football, within which your strength is explosive, anaerobic charges forward with the ball, a week after returning from a lengthy spell on the sidelines. It's beyond dare I say, all of us
 
Trigger Blade said:
There’s something about tall Norwegians, Jostein Flo was quite similar. Bergen’s added to his lack of aerial talent and is now giving away free kicks while not winning headers. I’d like to think that’s because he’s trying a bit more, but I think he’s just clumsy 🙂
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Funny you say that because I was in Sweden about 6 weeks ago and managed to catch a game over there, Djurgarden vs Mjallby and while the standard was Championship/League One kind of level, one thing my FIL and I observed was a general lack of willingness to head the ball and goalkeepers who don't come off their lines when the defence are crying out for him to take charge in the box (clearly not just a trait limited to Robin Olsen!).

Strange really when you think of fairly recent players like Olof Mellberg, Viktor Lindelof, Jonas Olsson as three that spring immediately to mind who are/were more than happy to put their heads on the ball and get stuck in.

The braver, more decisive players from that part of the world might well be the ones who make it in the better leagues, whether its defenders who are happy to attack the ball, keepers like Schmeichel who don't conform to the placid Scandi stereotype and likewise someone like Zlatan who is the antithesis of how you typically expect someone from that part of the world to be - softly spoken and understated he ain't!
 
bladesmanluke said:
Is it not fair enough though, Luke? Getting to the elite level of fitness required to get to the point where you don't run out of gas during a 90 minute game of championship football, within which your strength is explosive, anaerobic charges forward with the ball, a week after returning from a lengthy spell on the sidelines. It's beyond dare I say, all of us
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I don't think Berge is a shit player Luke btw, I just think he's massively over rated because he's played CL football and plays international football.

Three years he's been here now and I'm bored of hearing 'Sander needs to get fully fit ' AGAIN. He's sometimes good in home games but how many away games has the 20m rated man played like he is worth that?
 
He's not Nick Montgomery however much our uncultured fans want him to be

He's also not Graham Souness or Roy Keane

He's a quiet natured person who is never going to bark, scream, shout, bawl and run about like a moron after lost causes

He knows when a ball is going out of play and he doesn't waste energy running for it, unlike the brainless player who will run after it and get applauded for being basically being brainless.

He's a typical Scandinavian, cool, quiet, shy, and wants to do his job in that same way.

He does well for us when we're hunting for goals, which basically means he does well until we get 1-0 up and the team decides to down tools.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
There's a reason Chelsea and Liverpool are linked to him 

Good agent? Joking aside on his day hes superb but it they are few and far between. However if we can keep him over the window, injuries permitting, I cans e ehim having a good second half of thenseason as he really needs to put himself in the shop window if he wants a move to higher level clubs. Again if we have to sell one 'big value' player this window I hope its him and not Ndiaye
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Berge was fine in the first half but should have been subbed on 60/65 minutes
We needed more support down the left hand side where most of there threat was coming from, Bogle or Lowe could have supported ahead of Stevens who was struggling
 

CaptainMorgans said:
It's bizarre how divisive he is.
Yet again, I thought he was great when he got on the ball in the right areas.
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I like your contributions

But mate

He was totally irrelevant tonight

Poor , slow , weak , non existent

What a crying shame
 
CaptainMorgans said:
It's bizarre how divisive he is.
Yet again, I thought he was great when he got on the ball in the right areas.
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The game bypassed him when he didn’t have the ball. But yeah he tried to make things happen when he got on the ball. Thought he was better on the right but looked knackered.

Either he doesn’t protect Doyle or Doyle doesn’t protect him, but either way they got overrun most of the game in the middle.
 
Berge is possibly the most infuriating United player I've seen in many a year, he cant tackle or head a ball so defensively hes useless, when he glides past defenders I think hes amazing, but he doesn't, or cant do that regularly enough, when we're up against it it's like hes not on the pitch, I've come to opinion, regrettably that if a reasonable offer comes in for him we should take it, because let's be honest if he cant tear up this division what's the chances of him doing it in the division above, if we do sell I would be saddened because if there was a player to light up the championship it was him
 
For some reason he never convinces me that he’s fit

I know he has a languid style being tall an all, but always seems to have a tendency to fade the longer the game goes on, thus has less of an influence on games the longer he’s on the pitch

I like him. I think he has a lot to offer and can be a major influencer. Whether the frantic demands of the Championship suit him though is a different matter?
 

Berkshire Blade said:
Berge needs to be played further forward and the fact nobody seems to see this is slowly driving me insane. All his good moments come in the final third.
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I think he's clearly struggling to get back to his best.

Today he was moved back alongside Norwood, in an attempt to arrest the slide when they got on top first half. Not sure it helped a lot, but we couldn't get moves going. After the break he was back to his normal position, but his physique was matched by his opponent Field and he just seemed to struggle on and off the ball, physically and technically.

Late in the game there he drifted out to the right where he found some more space and an opponent who was more of a mismatch, and he had a couple of runs. In similar situations, when the opposition midfelders' got him sussed, I think it's an idea to move him to wide right. This worked well for Norway once. The central room between their defence and midfield was quite congested tonight, so not sure Berge would have thrived in a no 10 role.
 
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