Sander Berge

[Arcott]

Such a defeatist quote, we are a stepping stone ffs. I can buy that if we can double our money to then invest and improve but we'd be lucky to get what we paid.
As a team, we have no devine right to be successful but we should at the very least be thinking if Brighton, Burnley, Crystal Palace, Leeds, Leicester, Southampton, West Brom and also Bournemouth and Norwich so can we.
We've spent a big wad of cash over the last few windows but not on the correct players or positions. I equally blame wilder/recruitment dept, with limited vision on where to get players from.
A quote like that just says we're average, we expect to stay average and have no desire to keep top players and become a top 10 prem side. To me, even if he is leaving, the statement is just embarrassing

 

[Blade56]

I think we will make a profit, £30m should be the lowest we accept.

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£30m? I’ve heard Turry and McCabe are coming back to handle the negotiations cause when a big club comes calling........

Our transfers, wage policy, money spent and players lost out on have been nothing short of risible and the core of the collapse this season. We were boys playing in the adult league off the pitch and can’t see we are in safe hands at any level for next season. Hope I’m wrong but not feeling the love for footy at the moment.

 

[Bergen Blade]

I reckon he'll stay and do his best until we receive a bid which is so good that we think we'll be better off with that money. We'll have to see if that'll be in the summer or when he's 31.

I also think it's a bit strange how polarised views are of him. He struggled to adapt initially, then improved and showed promise. As the new season started the entire team struggled, as did he. But it's just been 25 games.

We've seen so many examples of players developing, improving. Sometimes it takes a move, sometimes a change of manager, or a tweak of tactics.

After Billy Sharp's first 25 games for us, how many thought he'd be leading the line in the Premiership 13 years later? How did Blades fans view Chris Basham after 25 games? Paul Coutts was a liability and originally transfer listed before things clicked with the new formation and him getting his act together. Hardly anyone thought much of Dominic Calvert Lewin after his first few games. Don Hutchison got a lot of criticisism from Blades fans, but dominated in the Premiership weeks later. John Fleck's been great, then very poor, now maybe he's getting better again. Could there be tactical and structural reasons for this? Look at Leon Clarke's career. Fans at half his would say he was rubbish, the other half would say he was great.

I expect a few changes as Wilder will try to build another promotion winning squad. Let's wait and see if Berge will be a part of that and if so assess him again.

 

[Athens Blade]

I reckon he'll stay and do his best until we receive a bid which is so good that we think we'll be better off with that money. We'll have to see if that'll be in the summer or when he's 31.

I also think it's a bit strange how polarised views are of him. He struggled to adapt initially, then improved and showed promise. As the new season started the entire team struggled, as did he. But it's just been 25 games.

We've seen so many examples of players developing, improving. Sometimes it takes a move, sometimes a change of manager, or a tweak of tactics.

After Billy Sharp's first 25 games for us, how many thought he'd be leading the line in the Premiership 13 years later? How did Blades fans view Chris Basham after 25 games? Paul Coutts was a liability and originally transfer listed before things clicked with the new formation and him getting his act together. Hardly anyone thought much of Dominic Calvert Lewin after his first few games. Don Hutchison got a lot of criticisism from Blades fans, but dominated in the Premiership weeks later. John Fleck's been great, then very poor, now maybe he's getting better again. Could there be tactical and structural reasons for this? Look at Leon Clarke's career. Fans at half his would say he was rubbish, the other half would say he was great.

I expect a few changes as Wilder will try to build another promotion winning squad. Let's wait and see if Berge will be a part of that and if so assess him again.

Well said Bergen

 

[SouthportBlade]

Such a defeatist quote, we are a stepping stone ffs. I can buy that if we can double our money to then invest and improve but we'd be lucky to get what we paid.
As a team, we have no devine right to be successful but we should at the very least be thinking if Brighton, Burnley, Crystal Palace, Leeds, Leicester, Southampton, West Brom and also Bournemouth and Norwich so can we.
We've spent a big wad of cash over the last few windows but not on the correct players or positions. I equally blame wilder/recruitment dept, with limited vision on where to get players from.
A quote like that just says we're average, we expect to stay average and have no desire to keep top players and become a top 10 prem side. To me, even if he is leaving, the statement is just embarrassing

I really dont get the angst at the quote from Wilder.

Like it or not we are extremely average, suggesting anything otherwise is just not true.

We aren't or have never been a top Premier League side, we've never played in Europe. Relatively, our wage structure is paltry compared to other clubs and can't be magically increased to parity with others overnight.

To become established we need a few years in the Premier League, or an owner with bottomless pockets - neither is true.

Out of the list of clubs you mention, Leicester aside (who have literally won the League), can't see Berge being happy at any of them. He's a highly rated international footballer, has played Champs league and obviously has belief in his own ability. Can see him back in Europe, maybe Spain or Italy or domestically at Everton, Spurs, Leicester, Arsenal, or clubs of that ilk.

The quote from Wilder was given when we are about 14 points adrift of safety and near enough certain of relegation. No one wants to go from Champions League to Championship. Both parties will be aware of this, wouldn't surprise me if there's a relegation release clause?

The optimist in me likes to think Berge may give us next year to bounce back, then get sold in Jan if promotion is unlikely? But who knows.

 

[ancientblade]

I really dont get the angst at the quote from Wilder.

Like it or not we are extremely average, suggesting anything otherwise is just not true.

We aren't or have never been a top Premier League side, we've never played in Europe. Relatively, our wage structure is paltry compared to other clubs and can't be magically increased to parity with others overnight.

To become established we need a few years in the Premier League, or an owner with bottomless pockets - neither is true.

Out of the list of clubs you mention, Leicester aside (who have literally won the League), can't see Berge being happy at any of them. He's a highly rated international footballer, has played Champs league and obviously has belief in his own ability. Can see him back in Europe, maybe Spain or Italy or domestically at Everton, Spurs, Leicester, Arsenal, or clubs of that ilk.

The quote from Wilder was given when we are about 14 points adrift of safety and near enough certain of relegation. No one wants to go from Champions League to Championship. Both parties will be aware of this, wouldn't surprise me if there's a relegation release clause?

The optimist in me likes to think Berge may give us next year to bounce back, then get sold in Jan if promotion is unlikely? But who knows.

i hope your right regarding berge he could be immense for us at championship level in the norwood role alongside hopefully a rejuvenated fleck and a new number 10 which im sure we will play with again at that level

 

[Balham]

That statement from Wilder is fine. Berge is a professional though and as long as he's here I'm sure he'll give his all. There will be discussions behind the scenes about valuations and Berge's agent will do what he can to engineer a move at the agreed price, be that a contractual release clause or what's agreed between the agent and Steven Bettis.

I hope he'll stay but if he goes I've no doubt it'll be because whatever value we have set has been met. My concern is that Berge's departure would effectively leave us with the ghost of Oliver Norwood, Jimmy Fleck and Ben Osborn as our only recognised senior midfielders.

 

[TopBoy]

A fit Berge resolves 2 issues.
1) Playing him in the Norwood role is where he specialises, plus adds bite, balance and energy. He's also very good at carrying the ball forward.
2) It also upgrades one of the weaker links in our current starting 11

 

[ancientblade]

That statement from Wilder is fine. Berge is a professional though and as long as he's here I'm sure he'll give his all. There will be discussions behind the scenes about valuations and Berge's agent will do what he can to engineer a move at the agreed price, be that a contractual release clause or what's agreed between the agent and Steven Bettis.

I hope he'll stay but if he goes I've no doubt it'll be because whatever value we have set has been met. My concern is that Berge's departure would effectively leave us with the ghost of Oliver Norwood, Jimmy Fleck and Ben Osborn as our only recognised senior midfielders.

thats why we need 3 new midfielders in this summer

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

I reckon he'll stay and do his best until we receive a bid which is so good that we think we'll be better off with that money. We'll have to see if that'll be in the summer or when he's 31.

I also think it's a bit strange how polarised views are of him. He struggled to adapt initially, then improved and showed promise. As the new season started the entire team struggled, as did he. But it's just been 25 games.

We've seen so many examples of players developing, improving. Sometimes it takes a move, sometimes a change of manager, or a tweak of tactics.

After Billy Sharp's first 25 games for us, how many thought he'd be leading the line in the Premiership 13 years later? How did Blades fans view Chris Basham after 25 games? Paul Coutts was a liability and originally transfer listed before things clicked with the new formation and him getting his act together. Hardly anyone thought much of Dominic Calvert Lewin after his first few games. Don Hutchison got a lot of criticisism from Blades fans, but dominated in the Premiership weeks later. John Fleck's been great, then very poor, now maybe he's getting better again. Could there be tactical and structural reasons for this? Look at Leon Clarke's career. Fans at half his would say he was rubbish, the other half would say he was great.

I expect a few changes as Wilder will try to build another promotion winning squad. Let's wait and see if Berge will be a part of that and if so assess him again.

I hope you’re right and he stays Bergen.
It has been a shite season which would be compounded if Sander leaves before we had the chance to see him close to his best.

 

[ancientblade]

I hope you’re right and he stays Bergen.
It has been a shite season which would be compounded if Sander leaves before we had the chance to see him close to his best.

i also hope he stays but just cant see it happening just hope we dont give him away 25m if anybody is prepared to pay it

 

[jono_t2000]

i also hope he stays but just cant see it happening just hope we dont give him away 25m if anybody is prepared to pay it

i doubt his release clause (assuming he has one) would be at or above 25 mill.

I would hazard a guess at between 15-20 mill

 

[1987]

i doubt his release clause (assuming he has one) would be at or above 25 mill.

I would hazard a guess at between 15-20 mill

Surely we wouldn't put a release clause in at less than we paid for him. Or even for what we paid. Would be complete madness.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

i doubt his release clause (assuming he has one) would be at or above 25 mill.

I would hazard a guess at between 15-20 mill

Didn’t we pay more than £15m for him? It would be ludicrous to have a release clause that was less than what we paid.

 

[JJBlade]

Hate to say this as it’s Leeds but maybe do what they did and get a manager who desires to play at the top with technically good players.

Feels like we had a great manager in Wilder but he’s turning into a Warnock type.

maybe need to get out of this local,British stuff and think outside the box.

I think that's a disservice to Warnock at the moment.

We all know how Warnock set his teams up when he feared the opposition, but in amongst all the direct mind numbing, long ball crap a tiny bit of football was played occasionally, at least Warnock had a team set up to play the way he wanted.

I don't know what has happened to Wilder, I really don't. But this is worse than anything Warnock served up.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I reckon he'll stay and do his best until we receive a bid which is so good that we think we'll be better off with that money. We'll have to see if that'll be in the summer or when he's 31.

I also think it's a bit strange how polarised views are of him. He struggled to adapt initially, then improved and showed promise. As the new season started the entire team struggled, as did he. But it's just been 25 games.

We've seen so many examples of players developing, improving. Sometimes it takes a move, sometimes a change of manager, or a tweak of tactics.

After Billy Sharp's first 25 games for us, how many thought he'd be leading the line in the Premiership 13 years later? How did Blades fans view Chris Basham after 25 games? Paul Coutts was a liability and originally transfer listed before things clicked with the new formation and him getting his act together. Hardly anyone thought much of Dominic Calvert Lewin after his first few games. Don Hutchison got a lot of criticisism from Blades fans, but dominated in the Premiership weeks later. John Fleck's been great, then very poor, now maybe he's getting better again. Could there be tactical and structural reasons for this? Look at Leon Clarke's career. Fans at half his would say he was rubbish, the other half would say he was great.

I expect a few changes as Wilder will try to build another promotion winning squad. Let's wait and see if Berge will be a part of that and if so assess him again.

The problem is that if we pretend we don’t like him or need him it makes it less painful when he leaves.

 

[jono_t2000]

Didn’t we pay more than £15m for him? It would be ludicrous to have a release clause that was less than what we paid.

Aye but that means diddly squat dont it. Dont forget we were in for Berge when we were newly promoted but he didnt want to sign for a club that may go straight back down. It was only after we were comfortably away from relegation that he signed in January.

I would wager on the relegation release minimum fee being weighted in Berge's favour so that established clubs would be less reluctant coming in for him at a bargain price

 

[DronnieBlade]

Said it B4.

Saying it now.

In a CM 2, he and Fleck, with Dids in the 10, would be a match for anything next season.

UTB.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Berge is quality. It would be fantastic to keep him but I doubt we will. He doesn’t run around enough for Wilder.

 

[Sheff de party]

Berge is quality. It would be fantastic to keep him but I doubt we will. He doesn’t run around enough for Wilder.

I can see why he’d be frustrating. Loads of talent and strong as an ox, but he’s fucking useless at tackling and drifts in and out of games.

If he wants to play in England, he’d be better off doing a season in the championship. He will stand out enough to get a prem team whether we go up or not.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Maybe Wilder doesn't rate him as highly as he thought and is talking up his value to cash n on someone he doesn't think can 'do it' the Wilder way?

 

[Gerritforud]

There's no guarantee he will recover fully from the injury he has.

 

[JPSharpy93]

We need to get in touch with Klopp, he knows a thing or two about how to inflate a transfer fee

 

[Chingo]

I think there is a chance he will stay , doesn’t seem the type of bloke to spit his dummy out to me

 

[The Crab]

I think there is a chance he will stay , doesn’t seem the type of bloke to spit his dummy out to me

True, but I guess it depends on what is in the contract. Maybe he's not spitting the dummy because he knows he'll get a move when we go down? But thats just me speculating.

Time will tell, it always does.

 

[Varkanoid]

Didn’t we pay more than £15m for him? It would be ludicrous to have a release clause that was less than what we paid.

Usually release clauses are more than the original value because it bypasses all the negotiations you normally get so its higher due to this being one reason. Bit like a Buy It Now in an auction when the start price is lower. You can either risk bidding and getting it for a lower cost or possibly losing out to another bidder whereas Buy It Now you get the item without the bidding etc. Clubs dont like it because other clubs can come in and activate it whereas the other side clubs sometimes agree to it as they can get the player for a slightly lower wage price for instance I believe release clauses are negotiated with the player/agent not with the selling club.

 

[bakeblade]

We need to get in touch with Klopp, he knows a thing or two about how to inflate a transfer fee

If we put a buy back clause in of say 50 million, it might persuade someone to pay over the odds

 

[bromtom]

I'd be shocked if he's still here next season unfortunately. He signed in January after making sure we weren't dogshit after we approached in summer, now we're going down as one of the worst to grace the Prem I imagine he'll want to leave, and that's fair enough. He's always been quite open about how he wants to progress his career.

He was appearing in the Champions League before we signed him, when he signed we were challenging for Europe in the top 6 of the Premier League. Playing away at Peterborough ain't it.

Just hope someone pays what we did.

 

[JackSUFC]

Would be disappointed to see him go. If we don’t need to sell him then just don’t, unless someone bids crazy money of course (which I can’t see happening).

Watford kept Sarr, Norwich kept Beundia, Bournemouth Brooks etc so why can’t we keep Berge?

A fully fit, in form Sander Berge will be one of the best players in the division. Why would anyone want to see him leave?

 

[bertieblade]

Watford kept Sarr, Norwich kept Beundia, Bournemouth Brooks etc
We will keep Norwood