Sander Berge

[Chabuddy G]

Think what you want new boy, ALL LIVES DO MATTER, why is it just black lives matter?

As for Besic, we needed a better link between defence and mid, and everytime I've seen him play he literally runs his socks off, and oddly enough he's skillfull and has scored In a blades shirt!

If we needed more attacking threat, why then did we not go 4-3-3? Was that because the players were to tired to play a different formation??

And as for "High intensity football", did you watch the game at all!? It was, as to be expected, steady.
These players have been keeping fit, working out everyday, training the past 2 weeks, playing games, and yet they can't run about for 45mins? Come on.

Norwood is the perfect link between defence and midfield. That would’ve made no difference what so ever.


Playing football is completely different to running

 

[CentralQuay]

Id be more worried about berge if he was actually playing the position we signed him and wasn’t making an impact.
We wouldspend 20 million on a left back and play him centre back so why play berge out of position.

Either play him in a 2 with Norwood or instead of Norwood or don’t play him at all he needs to be sitting when he gets the ball he can’t play ahead of play IMO

Someone gets it.

Busquets and Iniesta were both midfielders in one of the greatest club sides ever.....
Put them in each others positions, that system is nowhere near as effective, and Barcelona win nothing during that era.

Two things to contribute.
1. Yes we looked better when Freeman came on, but Villa also looked knackered by then from all the pressing they had done by that time.
2. The demand for “Running around a lot” is in danger of becoming forum members replacement for demands for more “hoofball” - whatever became of that?

Running around a lot is one of the most overrated aspects of the 'British football fan'.

Busquets/Iniesta/Xavi were not a mobile midfield at all, they were not sprinting about the place at all. But they controlled every midfield they played against by keeping the ball when they had it, and being two steps ahead when they did not.......I've never seen Busquets sprint in his whole career.

 

[BigBed]

Christ, here I go again. Almost a full time job this.

No one is saying only Black lives matter, of course all lives matter. But not ALL lives are being impacted due to systemic racism. Not all lives are being killed by the police and it then swept under the carpet. Therefore we need to focus on the issue of Black lives being treated as less valuable.

Back to Berge. Forgot he was playing at times yesterday, but I'm not going to get my knickers in a twist yet. If he was a mistake, oh well, but I think it's too early to know.

Not wanting to be political, but in my experience, coloured people are easily as rascist to whites as whites are to coloured people!

And your correct, Berge was a lost sole in that game, as he has been in most if not all games he's played in.
I'm hoping it's just a learning curve, and adjusting to the speed of the English game.(no racism, it is the English game)

 

[BigBed]

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Norwood is the perfect link between defence and midfield. That would’ve made no difference what so ever.


Playing football is completely different to running

Norwood was far from anything near perfect last night!

 

[Ricky]

I'm none the wiser about where we actually bought him to play.

He can play CM and RCM, but we must have had a specific plan for him.

I thought he'd be to replace Norwood eventually but I don't see any scenario where Norwood isn't first choice in that role next season.

Lundstram also looks like he might leave. Which leaves RCM open, a position where Berge's struggled in so far.

It's going to be the biggest selection based challenge for Wilder.

 

[Salmonfarm]

Not wanting to be political, but in my experience, coloured people are easily as rascist to whites as whites are to coloured people!

And your correct, Berge was a lost sole in that game, as he has been in most if not all games he's played in.
I'm hoping it's just a learning curve, and adjusting to the speed of the English game.(no racism, it is the English game)

The English game wouldn't be racist anyway.

Also, and I get it can be confusing, the term coloured is pretty outdated now.

I'm not gonna go on, this is a football forum after all, but it's a societal problem, not specific individuals, hence all the fuss.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I'm none the wiser about where we actually bought him to play.

He can play CM and RCM, but we must have had a specific plan for him.

I thought he'd be to replace Norwood eventually but I don't see any scenario where Norwood isn't first choice in that role next season.

Lundstram also looks like he might leave. Which leaves RCM open, a position where Berge's struggled in so far.

It's going to be the biggest selection based challenge for Wilder.

I think we'll slightly evolve the midfield formation next season to make it work, and give us more of an offensive balance. Our defence has generally been solid this season, yet we're lacking goals so I see it as the next step in our evolution.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The English game wouldn't be racist anyway.

Also, and I get it can be confusing, the term coloured is pretty outdated now.

I'm not gonna go on, this is a football forum after all, but it's a societal problem, not specific individuals, hence all the fuss.

Forget it Jake, It's Chinatown!

 

[Chabuddy G]

I'm none the wiser about where we actually bought him to play.

He can play CM and RCM, but we must have had a specific plan for him.

I thought he'd be to replace Norwood eventually but I don't see any scenario where Norwood isn't first choice in that role next season.

Lundstram also looks like he might leave. Which leaves RCM open, a position where Berge's struggled in so far.

It's going to be the biggest selection based challenge for Wilder.

I think Berge will get used to that role. I have all the faith in the world. He's been playing in a league and for a team that isn't half as physical as ours, and to be fair the selection upfront isn't helping him (or Norwood) as there's no striker with pace running in behind. That can normally be counter-acted by Fleck joining in or our overlaps but neither were there yesterday.

 

[CentralQuay]

Out of interest, if you got rid of every player who was as 'average' as Berge has been in his first half dozen games, how many of your current side would still be at the club?

 

[Ricky]

I think we'll slightly evolve the midfield formation next season to make it work, and give us more of an offensive balance. Our defence has generally been solid this season, yet we're lacking goals so I see it as the next step in our evolution.

Hope so. But it's not easy to see how we do that if Norwood and Fleck remain regulars as they should, and surely will.

I think Berge will get used to that role. I have all the faith in the world. He's been playing in a league and for a team that isn't half as physical as ours, and to be fair the selection upfront isn't helping him (or Norwood) as there's no striker with pace running in behind. That can normally be counter-acted by Fleck joining in or our overlaps but neither were there yesterday.

I was going to mention this about the strikers. In the vast majority of his time on the pitch, we've had no pace up front and nothing to stretch the game.

I think the only time he's been on with Mousset was at Reading in the cup for 60 minutes.

 

[Caseh]

Out of interest, if you got rid of every player who was as 'average' as Berge has been in his first half dozen games, how many of your current side would still be at the club?

We wouldn't be here to have those players anyway, as Paul Coutts was absolutely vital to getting us to where we were, and he was absolutely crap to begin with.

 

[CentralQuay]

We wouldn't be here to have those players anyway, as Paul Coutts was absolutely vital to getting us to where we were, and he was absolutely crap to begin with.

Kind of my point there buddy.....

 

[Caseh]

Kind of my point there buddy.....

I know, I was agreeing... Admittedly I'm tired and haven't put that across well haha

 

[Chabuddy G]

Hope so. But it's not easy to see how we do that if Norwood and Fleck remain regulars as they should, and surely will.




I was going to mention this about the strikers. In the vast majority of his time on the pitch, we've had no pace up front and nothing to stretch the game.

I think the only time he's been on with Mousset was at Reading in the cup for 60 minutes.

Incidentally his best game but take the calibre of opposition into account and the fact he was playing in HIS position in that game. Moose was poor in that game but still he had the option.

 

[The Vicar]

So lets see how many goals [the reportedly £52 million] Timo Werner gets next season, Be lucky if it is 12, but 15 would be thought of as a success!

That's the cost of buying someone who has been a success in a decent league abroad!

 

[Yoonited]

I despair.

The clue is in the name douche, it could reasonably be argued.Speculation of course.FACT

 

[Yoonited]

Berge is the new Lunny from 2years ago it seems.

Wilder couldn't recognise a decent footballer as long as he has a hole in his arseFFS

 

[Yoonited]

He just runs around like he isn't bothered needs to up his game tbh

Naive beyond belief

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Wilder doesn't believe in one-trick midfielders - all midfielders should tackle + be able to run about. Jesus. Pick a pass ? It's not enough.

I hear Jesus could also pick a pass.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Wilder doesn’t buy player’s without seeing them first. He must have seen something in the lad and of course have plans for him in this team. But at the minute I honestly can’t see it.

 

[Yoonited]

Since we've gone up we really have got the forum police on the go telling us we're not allowed to criticise someone who gets paid per week what I get paid per year.

No one is saying he's not a good player
No one is saying he's not playing out of position

What quite a few are saying is that he doesn't seem to be showing any desire. I'm not criticising his fitness, although it should be better. I'm criticising his determination and desire to win a tackle or get to a ball. Which seems non-existent at the moment.

Besic has had significantly less opportunities and has done significantly better.

Significantly? Really

 

[Yoonited]

I hear Jesus could also pick a pass.

How do you know what Wilder believes in? Or what his instructions to individual players are. Speculation is merely that. Unless he consults with you prior to each game of course.

 

[Yoonited]

Thought all of our midfielders were poor going forward today. Wing backs also just seem to hit a lot of hopeful punts forward too. Villa seemed to do a good job of stopping us from playing out from the back. We missed fleck badly.

Yep, no playmaker.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I think we'll slightly evolve the midfield formation next season to make it work, and give us more of an offensive balance. Our defence has generally been solid this season, yet we're lacking goals so I see it as the next step in our evolution.

I have thought about this myself, but the only way to play Norwood & Berge as a pair would be to sacrifice a striker & I'm not sure any of our strikers are capable of playing a full 90 on their own.
So it would therefore involve bringing a striker in (very expensive) & also finding a very good replacement for Lundstram on the right hand side who can get up & support our attacks (also likely to be expensive).

From what I've seen, I'm not sure Berge justifies a reshuffle of the system to accommodate him.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Wilder doesn’t buy player’s without seeing them first. He must have seen something in the lad and of course have plans for him in this team. But at the minute I honestly can’t see it.

I see a young player with plenty of potential, and being in the Premier League a young player with potential is what c.£22m buys not a complete player. He wasn't bought on a whim or panic, he'd been watched over at least 12 months.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Your post highlights what I think the main problem is, unrealistic expectations.....and it comes from the unexpected immediate short-term success, that I talked about earlier, we had exactly the same problem with our unexpected title win.

You claim that Jamie Murphy 'turned out to be a great player'.
With all due respect, he was putting up goal figures in League 1 that were no better than Mcburnie's are now, two levels above.

Because we signed Vardy for £1 million and Mahrez for something daft like £250,000 , when you sign a Perez/Iheanacho for over £60 million combined, fans expect even more than what the first two gave......without allowing them time to settle.

Totally agree about the unrealistic expectations and the price tag of a player does set those expectation, perhaps falsely in some cases. I think you give some good examples as well.

I'd defend my position on Jamie Murphy though. I wasn't impressed with him at first but when he got into it, several months later, he was a great player for us and you don't measure that just in goals. You measure it in his contribution to the team. He provided real pace down the flanks and created a lot of chances for the team - he gave us an attacking outlet we didn't have. If we measured a player's value to the team in terms of goals then David McGoldrick would never get a game!

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

Must be the only Blade who did not see the game yesterday, but are people really writing Berge off after half a dozen games?

You take a new job in a competitors new office in Belgium. You have to adapt to a new home, pick up a new culture, work out your new colleagues on a personal and professional basis, and on top of all that then get locked down almost as soon as you land in a new country. BTW you are in your early 20s when doing all this. You have to learn the new systems and ways of working of your new office, and are expected to settle instantly.

Do you think after 6 days at the "office" you would be performing at full tilt?

He may turn out to be a crap buy, or on the other side it could turn out to be one of our best buys ever, however, cannot believe people are judging the signing after a handful of games in trying circumstances.

Cast aside the "he cost 20M so should be great each and every game" thought process as the lad did not set the fee, and the fee is almost irrelevant.

I went and lived in Russia, and if you think you land and adapt immediately you are kidding yourself.....just because a footballer might get paid 30k a week or whatever doesn't make him immune to all the issues above.

The doom and gloom of some on here makes my pi55 fizz! )

 

[Carlton Blade]

Let's see Berge in the more advanced role on the pitch with Didzy and Mousset before we decide he's Hammond

 

[Espania blade]

With Berge you have to remember he is from Ghent, I was there last year, it's a small touristy type of place, not sure if it's a Town or a City but to move from there to another country at his age, and Sheffield at that - a big city in comparison with a totally different culture to what he is used to, and that's before the football side of things, he will need time to adapt to a new way of living and playing at a bigger club, give the lad time ffs.


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