Danetheblade
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I'll enlighten you then, probably quite a while. Your turn to enlighten me. When was the last time we (blades) won the champions League.. or any European competition?
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Again so what's stopping us Gene not exactly a European power house
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Genk have a system in place and a reputation for improving players, that goes a long way.
I'm not saying we would win a champions league.......I'm saying Develop put some money into development but you need hardened ex pros look what Middlesbrough produced in the early 2000s Downing Cattermole Johnson etc because the coaches were ex players Slavin,Cochrane,Proctor but in came a school teacher Parnaby to oversee the academy let the ex players go they haven't produced since we need to produce home grown players then give them a chance
Whilst not his biggest fan I agree completely with the comments about the price tags, to us, who have been batting away in the 3rd division (old money) £20 million is a galactico sized transfer fee, however in the real world a galactico will be around £100 million, we have 2 players with plenty of time on their side and will most likely transfer at a profit should they continue to develop on thier current trajectories.
These same fans will be complaining when they leave for greener pastures.. And there are bigger prospects than sheff utd, let's just get that out of the way eh..
If it's done anything, it's made Callum Robinsons start to the Premier league look quite good in retrospect, we have to hope he wants to come back and hasn't fell in love at West Bromwich.
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(This is Berge we're talking about I came in halfway through). I see him as an occasional 'great passer' but more of a just in front of the defence type - the guy who picks the ball up and protects it when you need time, are getting closed down etc. It makes him different to Norwood but they both occupy the same position, unless you play a midfield 4 or Norwood goes further forward.
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Ajax 94/95. The original post was about bringing players through acadamies as you well know.
Once you develop one you must have more coming through stop this snowflake coaching develop a winning mentality early because this game is all about winning and not the taking part just ask Chris
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But they're nowhere near the caliber of Ajaxs' academy. You said we could have an academy as good as Ajax.
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Correct so you're point is?
How about the money from the Premier League clubs are blinkered it may take a couple of seasons but once you start it could repe rewards or maybe put the 20 million that we spend on a player I'm sure we were doing alright before we spent that otherwise why have the academy
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So you believe £20 million will turn Sheffield United from having 1 player capable of playing Champions League football in the past decade (Kyle Walker), to a whole squad of them?
You should give the Man City owner a ring and explain how he's wasted so much money when all he had to do was put £20 million into the academy.
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Jesus!! Talk about flogging a dead horse! Just read 5 pages of your utter drivel!
This is supposed to be a thread on Berges progress (or lack of some feel) why are you banging on about bringing in Keith Edwards as a coach? Why are you going on and on about the Ajax academy?
It’s the modern World of football I’m afraid. Well actually it’s nothing new at all. You have to invest in outside talent to progress. The last time an academy really produced anything was Man U in the 90’s. And even then they were heavily subsidised by Keane, Cantona, Schmeichel, Cole, Sheringham, Yorke etc etc.
If you don’t like Sander then fine. But talking about our academy like this is just ridiculous.
Why not it cannot happen overnight but why not it takes hard work patience and the right coaching
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But the majority of the youth players they have/had are stand out players for that age. Now let's say we have the academy and the coaches. You get offered a deal for us, or Ajax.. which one do you pick? Not to bash the blades who I love, but we're not in the same league as Ajax when it comes to prestige and history.
I'm not read it Edwards was just an example but it passes the time mate calm down watch that blood pressure if 20 million for a player is nothing today it might just might be an option to develop
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Think it’s you that needs to calm down a tad mate and stop clutching at straws
I take your point but you have to start somewhere why not be different footballs full of followers people saying we've always done it that way why not try something different give a young player hope or theirs no point coming
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I've no point to prove. You have.
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But.. what if the young players we have aren't up to premier League standard? We can't just throw a league 2 rated player into the squad. It doesn't work that way, as much as I'd like it to.
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Then don't play them for every hundred that come through if you get one any club would take that
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But top academy's have several players who come through to at least first team levels.
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Irrelevant!
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Five players on our books played in the Premier League the season they turned 22: Basham, Mousset, McBurnie, Rodwell and Berge. The majority were in the Championship.
Where were they, the season they turned 22: the Sheffield United edition
Dean Henderson: at United in the Championship
Simon Moore: at Brentford in League One
Michel Verrips: at Sparta Rotterdam in the Dutch Eredivisie
George Baldock: MK Dons in League One then on loan at Oxford in League Two
Kieron Freeman: Derby in the Championship then on loan at Notts County in League One
Enda Stevens: Shamrock Rovers in the Irish Premiership
Jack O'Connell: Brentford in the Championship
Chris Basham: Bolton in the Premier League
John Egan: on loan at Southend on League Two
Jack Robinson: on loan at Huddersfield in the Championship
Phil Jagielka: at United in the old EFL Division One
John Fleck: at Coventry in League One
Oli Norwood: at Huddersfield in the Championship
John Lundstram: at Oxford in League Two
Jack Rodwell: at Man City in the Premier League
Luke Freeman: at Stevenage in League One
Ben Osborn: at Forest in the Championship
Sander Berge: Genk in the Belgian top flight then United in the Premier League
Oli McBurnie: at Swansea in the Premier League then Barnsley in the Championship
Billy Sharp: back at United in the Championship
David McGoldrick: at Southampton in the Championship
Lys Mousset: at Bournemouth in the Premier League
Leon Clarke: at Wolves then Wednesday in the Championship, short loan at Oldham in League One
Your point is
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I am not going to slag the manager or the player.How anyone can slag our manager off after what he has done for the club is beyond me.As for Berge I am rather frustrated not being able to make a judgement on him until we see him in his prefered position.What I do know is the position he is playing in at the moment is not working.Our midfield has produced just two maybe three chances in two games which is dead poor and it is just not like us ,we usually over run defences down the flanks but not since we have come back playing against weak prem teams.Opposition goalies have nothing to do unlike before when they had to be on their toes.I am sure the best thing to do is leave it to Wilder ,I have real faith in him sorting it.What the last two games has underlined is if we did get in Europe our squad is not big or good enough .First time we have had any sort of injuries or suspensions and we are struggling to replace the players.
my point is and I respect yours is if you invest into the academy system which is supposed to be your future you need the very best coaches...... example if you took a young child for swimming lessons and before you left you asked the swimming coach if he could swim and he said no would you leave them I think not so why do we leave are young footballers with sub standard coaches
As for Berge he is obviously a very talented young man can he produce only time will tell
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