Sander Berge

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What Newcastle did today was play two wide players and one down the middleup front stopping us going forward and gambled on them winning the ball and counter attacking we should have gone back to four at the back and played four four two we where away from home Chris and coaching staff Nieve
 
j woolston said:
What Newcastle did today was play two wide players and one down the middleup front stopping us going forward and gambled on them winning the ball and counter attacking we should have gone back to four at the back and played four four two we where away from home Chris and coaching staff Nieve
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We’ve lost 2 games away from home all season before today, and they were at City and Liverpool.

We went 4 at the back after the red card a preceded to get dicked 3-0.
 
BettingBlade said:
We’ve lost 2 games away from home all season before today, and they were at City and Liverpool.

We went 4 at the back after the red card a preceded to get dicked 3-0.
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Too late we then had just one forward so we couldn't get out so the ball keeps coming straight back with two forwards they occupie and keep their defenders honest even when we went down to ten Newcastle didn't change their system
 
It is ingrained in that Newcastle side to create a low block and then use the pace/trickery of ASM, Almeron and Richie on the break who wouldn’t. Don’t see how a 442 set up would have changed anything, we lack the depth and quality in wide areas so not sure who would have played on the wings without having to play people out of position. We may have benefited from a CAM to force one of Newcastle’s front foot players to drop deeper or force a defender to step out creating the much needed space for sharp and McB to do their work in. Tbf we could have played all of them against the 11 Newcastle put out and still created very little major off day.
 
HeySethUTB said:
It is ingrained in that Newcastle side to create a low block and then use the pace/trickery of ASM, Almeron and Richie on the break who wouldn’t. Don’t see how a 442 set up would have changed anything, we lack the depth and quality in wide areas so not sure who would have played on the wings without having to play people out of position. We may have benefited from a CAM to force one of Newcastle’s front foot players to drop deeper or force a defender to step out creating the much needed space for sharp and McB to do their work in. Tbf we could have played all of them against the 11 Newcastle put out and still created very little major off day.
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Because 4.4.2 stops them playing through the lines it makes them go around the outside so you can double up on there forward players because they went 4.3.3 we could have caused them trouble by going 4 at the back matched the 3 in midfield played a player in the number 10 role with 2 forwards now they would have to change there system
 
raul said:
Duffs ,Washing Machine and 50 mill in the bank> Berge and Oli.
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Closer to £40M, surely? Unless the difference in wages between Duffy/Madine and Berge/McBurnie is around £10M per season.

I think I agree, though.
 



Maidenhead said:
Did well to win the ball back for us to keep the move alive that led to the first goal yesterday.

Without him we don't score but I've not seen or heard anyone give him credit for his contribution.
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I have a feeling he could be the new Basham.
 
Maidenhead said:
Did well to win the ball back for us to keep the move alive that led to the first goal yesterday.

Without him we don't score but I've not seen or heard anyone give him credit for his contribution.
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This is a thread for slagging off our players - don’t talk about good stuff that they do - it doesn’t fit the agenda...
 
Maidenhead said:
Did well to win the ball back for us to keep the move alive that led to the first goal yesterday.

Without him we don't score but I've not seen or heard anyone give him credit for his contribution.
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He looked tired yesterday and wasn't that involved in the game in possession. The five minutes leading up to the first goal, however, were a masterclass in sublime technical skills from Berge. Both feet, one touch passing and movement. Chelsea couldn't get near him. From a defensive point of view, once again Berge and Baldock negated Chelsea's left hand side. Pulisic has been as good as anybody in the league this side of Christmas, but he was almost completely nullified. Berge's blocking of passing lanes has been superlative since his debut demolition of Zaha. There was a clear drop off after he went off yesterday.That's not a knock at Lundstram either who is also very good at the defensive side of the game. Maidenhead has astutely pointed to the use of his brilliant defensive skills in an offensive area of the pitch, ala Fabinho.
 
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nopigfansintown said:
He looked tired yesterday and wasn't that involved in the game in possession. The five minutes leading up to the first goal, however, were a masterclass in sublime technical skills from Berge. Both feet, one touch passing and movement. Chelsea couldn't get near him. From a defensive point of view, once again Berge and Baldock negated Chelsea's left hand side. Pulisic has been as good as anybody in the league this side of Christmas, but he was almost completely nullified. Berge's blocking of passing lanes has been superlative since his debut demolition of Zaha. There was a clear drop off after he went off yesterday.That's not a knock at Lundstram either who is also very good at the defensive side of the game. Maidenhead has astutely pointed to the use of his brilliant defensive skills in an offensive area of the pitch, ala Fabinho.
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I noticed we really missed him down that right hand side after he went off ,him bash and baldock were defending and attacking as a real cohesive unit but it dropped off a bit when lundstram.came on
 
Niceguyeddie said:
I noticed we really missed him down that right hand side after he went off ,him bash and baldock were defending and attacking as a real cohesive unit but it dropped off a bit when lundstram.came on
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I think Bash getting a bang on the head and subsequently going off may have had something to do with that.
 
I've been happy for him to be one for the future but my early concern was that I couldn't really tell what he was about. And if you asked me if I thought we could take 9 points off Wolves, Spurs, and Chelsea with him and Osborn in the side I would've told you the season's over, let it go. Still can't say that Berge has been the stand out player in those games but suffice to say we haven't won those games in spite of him but in no small part because of him. Starting to see more and more of his passing ability, the neat little touches, the kind of things that spell value for money with that price tag.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Didn't miss him today.

If we can get £20 million for him in January let's take it and use the money for something useful
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His replacement was off after 40 minutes we definitely did miss him as him even remaining on the pitch would’ve allowed us the tactical flexibility to cause them some serious problems as it looked like we were starting too with Burke up front and McGoldrick in behind.
 
I'm a big fan of Sander, he's our best individual player. Sadly we look better without him. In a possession based side he'll look absolutely top draw, we just aren't that side. He doesn't have the energy and pressing to suit us, it's a shame, he's clearly got talent. He's just not our type of player. Move him on, bring in someone who is probably a downgrade, but will still be a better fit.
 



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